• oleorun@real.lemmy.fan
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    16 days ago

    Locking this post. Pretty sure everything that’s needed to be said has been said so threads are devolving.

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    17 days ago

    Commas, like tabs, are free and convenient.

    Firefox user loses 7,470 opened tabs, saved over two years, after they can’t restore browsing session

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    17 days ago

    How do you even navigate that many tabs?

    People can keep 5-10 things in their short term memory. Anything beyond that you can’t feasibly multitask with so it should be a bookmark instead of a tab.

    Maybe browsers should merge the two functions. (We already have pinned tabs too)

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      17 days ago

      You can search through your open tabs by typing % followed by space in the search bar. I often do that since I tend to reference a lot of documentation/merge requests/admin interfaces/etc. and end up with quite a few tabs in a working session (usually clear them out the next day). Nowhere near 7000, though. Maybe 50.

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    17 days ago

    I usually save neither the browsing history neither the opened tabs. I add interesting pages in bookmarks, but rarely check them again.

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    17 days ago

    AKA User was so stupid, he or she should better not use a computer in the first place.

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      17 days ago

      It’s not stupid if it works (also user is satisfied). But it’s just another bug that can wipe user data, so it better gets fixed.

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        Just because it works it is not “not stupid”. I can accellerate my car to about 100km/h and drive it into a wall - yes, that works, but it would not exactly be smart. Having >100 tabs open in a browser is in the same category.

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          17 days ago

          How so? As seen from article it works fine. It doesn’t require terabytes of RAM. The car example is irrelevant and stupid, also will kill the car and you.

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            17 days ago

            As seen from article it works fine.

            As the article shows, it exactly doesn’t. Would that person have complained about the loss of the stupid many tabs if firefox had been able to recover them?

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              Sorry what? The user was able to recover them. Such complains are valid because data was in a state where user couldn’t access it as usual at some point.

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          17 days ago

          I have around 100 tabs open. If they remain opened, I can ctrl+tab in chronologic history. That’s otherwise not possible.

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              17 days ago

              These are temporary tabs which are revisited and closed in a specific manner. Saving them implies I need them in the long-term. I would also need to explore them again.

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                How short term are you actively using all 100 tabs?

                My workflow is also primarily keyboard-based. I don’t even use many bookmarks. Hotkeys to open new tabs or move the cursor to the address bar, and type like 3 letters of the site I want to go to before autocomplete knows what I want. Easier to me than having to maintain/remember the order of tabs.

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                  How short term are you actively using all 100 tabs?

                  This session is almost one year old and on my private laptop. At work I used to juggle three projects so sometimes I had three windows with up to 30-40 tabs. Effectively they remain about 5 workdays project wise. I use it as a short-term memory: While on call, open tab with workload, write it down on paper and queue it.

                  Best thing is to finally close all that crap and get to a tab I wanted to read for my own.

                  I don’t even use many bookmarks.

                  Me neither. Had to tweak the urlbar in about:config though.

                  … or move the cursor to the address bar, …

                  That’s ctrl_G right? I tend to close + open the tab to get to the address bar and then restore the closed tab. Is there a more quicker way to get into the address bar than said binding?

                  Easier to me than having to maintain/remember the order of tabs.

                  It’s reliable and muscle memory. Its perfect for short interruptions and and then resume where I have left.

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            17 days ago

            Type ^ followed by space in the search bar. You can now simply search through your history by text. Far more efficient.

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              17 days ago

              That does not aid my use case of most recently used visiting. It does also imply I know the title or url of the tab. It may be obscure like e835bdk83o4nt0s.

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                17 days ago

                Your history is already sorted by most recently used. If you just open the history search drop-down without typing anything, you can tab through your most recent pages.

                History search works with more than just the title, it’s also can match words in the description, keywords in the page, or I believe just about any piece of HTML metadata. After using this feature for years as a software engineer viewing plenty of obscure or obfuscated webpages, I’ve never had it fail to find me the page I want. I simply type a word associated with the thing I want to view, and every time I can easily find the page I’m looking for.

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                  My bookmarks shall be my first suggestions in my urlbar, so a bookmark is either frequently used or something I want to refer to specifically because of its content and quality.

                  Everything I want to read later is placed as leftmost of my top-level tabs. Opening tabs is right to my current tab without visiting them immediately. I visit them by closing the first and immediately get the next unvisited. My previous tab is still my top-level.

                  If I do not have the time to read everything leftmost, I may open a new window. If there is something really worth it to be saved, it gets elected a bookmark.

                  // after reading my own answer: My bookmarks are curated across years, my session might life 1 hour to multiple months. Firefox allows me to even transfer my tabs across new devices. Each time i finished a task and close tabs, I am able to read on of the tabs to the left. This is work time.

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        It’s stupid if what the person use tabs for is what bookmarks exist for without running the risk of losing all of them.

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          17 days ago

          Either browser saves your tabs on exit or it doesn’t. There should not be such a risk, plain and simple. If you insist there is then please provide an exact number of tabs where it starts to happen, and/or when it becomes acceptable for it to happen.

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            Anytime you use a program in a way that you can’t reasonably expect to have been tested you should accept that you run the risk of hitting bugs. Ex.: no one should reasonably expect devs to test having 7k tabs from different websites open when there’s an existing feature for this type of usage that is 100% safe (bookmarks).

            When your usage is out of the norm it’s not unusual for programs to start acting weird and more often than not it’s not intended and can even come from an issue with how the hardware and software work together and it might not even be possible to fix the issue.

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              70 mb is not excessive for a session file and therefore 7k tabs is not excessive. 7 million tabs would be insane I imagine. But not 7k. User proved herself by using it for years that it performs adequately.

              My point stands. If browser can lose 7k tabs it can lose as few as 7 and such bugs should be fixed.

              If you can’t name exact point between 7 and 7k where “reason” ends you have to learn more about proper programming. So you could realize that the actual limit is far from that, and there are still a lot of things to improve so all users could get benefits, not just a few.

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      I can easily do that in a day of work because I often have to reference documentation from many different sources.

      I’ll probably have 1-3 tabs for jira boards/tickets, a couple for gitlab merge requests, at least a few for the documentation of different third-party libraries I’m using, a few confluence pages, a few for different specs, 1-2 for Figma designs, a handful for different admin panels I need access to, a couple production dashboards/logs, in addition to whatever searching I need to do. I usually clear them out at the start of the next day, but they can add up pretty quickly.

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      Work in IT and have many different tickets and projects. 25 is nothing.

      It’s really not a big deal if you use tab groups or similar. Not all are loaded at all times but ephemeral enough that i wouldn’t want to save down to bookmarks.

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      It’s amazing how many people think having tons of tabs is insane. How about all browsers start limiting how many tabs can be opened at a time (to accommodate proper, sane usage rules)?

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        Firefox Focus on Android is there and it doesn’t have a button to add a new tab. You can only create one by clicking a link from those already existing. Also, just four shortcuts for some reason and no bookmarks.

        It’s a great default browser to open random links from your apps: no cookies, no logins, always a private tab experience. But when you need a bit more (like translating a word in an article you are reading) it’s restricted. Because Moz decided that’s the way it should be.

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            Doesn’t matter if we talk about said concept in reality and how arbitrary limitations are weird. Although mobile internet usage is a little less incompatible with that idea.

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    who does that?!

    How can it be in any way useful to keep 7000 open tabs?

    Has she not heard of bookmarks?

    I am thoroughly confused

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      You don’t use all of the tabs, just the last 20 or so. Based on these you open new tabs, if they contain better information you close the old ones. What gets left over are tabs with the highest quality information (and pages that contain links, like google search results and sometimes some other junk, it’s not a perfect process). When you return to a topic you then look though them to jog your memory. You can search though tabs with %.

      I find bookmarks cumbersome to use. I do use them to bookmark the tabs periodically, so they don’t get lost.

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      The article explains that she likes to look at tabs in the past as a reminder of something she was interested in.

      It’s sort of a snapshot in time. I get it. But hell no I’m closing tabs.

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        I have 4 virtual desktops, usually each with their own Firefox instance. I still have less than 10 tabs open.

        YOU DON’T NEED THAT MANY TABS

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        You can bookmark a whole window full of tabs all into a single bookmark folder. It’s called “bookmark all tabs” or something like that. Then later you can open all of them again into a new window using a single button again.

        I know the average person isn’t tech savvy, but this loss is almost entirely on themself. If you have 7000 tabs open and it’s important to you that they stay saved, then it’s on you to simply ASK someone if keeping them open is an ok way to do it

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          Why do you need to “save” a tab? If you’re never going to look at it again what is the point?

          I can understand someone who has 20-30 tabs. They’ll probably go back to at least one of them. But 7000??? There is nothing to save it’s an impossible rats nest with zero organization so the likelihood of reopening even one of those tabs is virtually zero. So in this case what’s the purposing of “saving” these tabs?

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            Sometimes you actually do go back to those saved tabs. There’s no way to know ahead of time which tabs you’re actually gonna go back to and which you won’t, so it’s perfectly reasonable to save groups of tabs if there was a topic you were researching or whatever. Just save the tabs into a new bookmark folder with a descriptive name so you can find it later.

            But with that said, 7000 is way beyond including just the things a person might ever actually want to go back to later.

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        Man if only firefox had some kinda feature that you could see your previous activity. Something akin to a history of what you did in the browser.

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          I get what you mean, but not that long ago wepages used to hijack your back button by forcing redirects to fill up the history, it is less common today, but endless scrolling sites love filling up your history.

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      There’s a tool I use at work for administrating Apple devices and it opens about four tabs for every profile you look at. You can quickly stack up to about 50 tabs. Utterly stupid programming.

      But I’m not using it I have maybe 12 tabs open at a time.

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      I have a practical but niche answer to this. This is actually a bit of a wall of text but tldr: Not quite a power-user. Got 1.5k tabs, Bookmarks and Browser history lack proper system and contextual integration, are a poor experience to review, navigate, categorize for me, and many integrations make tabs effortless to work with, group up, and accumulate. Looking a bit into other systems and I can definitely see benefits but what I have works pretty well for me.

      I’m not as much of a poweruser but I generally will have between 800 and 1,500 tabs open on my desktop with Floorp which is a Firefox fork with native web app support and a bunch of neat customization features. This is mainly because I find history and bookmarking features to be rather inconvenient to maintain especially for deep internet rabbitholes and complex projects that can have multiple topics or differing levels of priority to reference. Firefox and Floorp allow users to instantly search through their tabs using the search bar and this tends to be very helpful although I also will like to have older versions of websites cached or loaded locally so I can make comparisons, review through collections of tasks and their related segments which I have previously worked on, or see how homepages and different segments of the web have adapted as a whole or personalized for me over time. I can basically have my own pocket of the Internet curated for me which I don’t need to go out of my way to find or maintain.

      Now something to note is that it’s a surprisingly efficient process, Most of the tabs themselves don’t need to actually be active in memory with the browser in total generally using less than 8 gigabytes of ram and under 10% of my cpu when active. I have plenty of tab management extensions, Floorp provides a scroll bar at the top for multi-row tabs, Flow Launcher (ridiculously powerful search tool which can be run as a system-wide programmable hotkey.) within Windows has integration both for checking existing tabs and instantly opening new ones. It’s pretty slick except when my browser is first rebuilding after a full reboot as that can take around two minutes to complete from disk.

      I think the main thing at least for me is just that other resources and tools (Been looking into the raindrop bookmark manager.) might be more efficient for me to learn in the long run but I tend to be working on dozens of projects at once anyways and actively going out of my way to adapt to a new system like that would be counterproductive in the moment where it counts.

      Hope this has been a helpful and insightful look into my process. I could probably attach screenshots or video later although I feel like this is sufficient as-is.

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    Is this a new mental illness I haven’t heard of?

    In an interview with PCMag, Hazel said she keeps all those tabs open because she likes “to scroll back and see clusters of tabs from months ago — it’s like a trip down memory lane on whatever I was doing/learning about/thinking about.” So, when she recovered her 7,000+ tab browsing session, she said, “I feel like a part of me is restored.”

    Actually that’s kinda cool. I shouldn’t be a hater.

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      No it’s probably s mental illness or something. If she like the tabs as a memoir thing, she should do what people have done on vacations for decades - take pictures (aka here as screenshots or saved pages).

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        So not archiving these memories in the way you would determines whether or not it is a mental illness? How is taking photos any mpre or less of a mental illness than leaving the tabs open?

        Seems like quite the jump to conclusion to assume it is a mental illness.

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    I’ll say it again - anyone who needs (or let’s be honest, thinks they need) hundreds of thousands of open tabs has something wrong with their brain and should probably see a professional about it.

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    I seem to remember a post on Lemmy from a user asking about how to keep a browser responsive with about 10,000 tabs open so it’s certainly a usage pattern for some.

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      What’s the point tho? It’s not like you’re actively using the 10k tabs.

      It’s an impossible amount of tabs to manage so the only explanation is they are opened, looked at once, and then thrown into an abyss for another tab to be opened in a continuous cycle.

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    Did you know that Firefox has this cool new option (spoiler: it’s not new), that lets you bookmark websites into folders and when you click on that folder from your toolbar it says “Open All in Tabs” at the bottom of the list. BAM! Tabs restored.

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      You could also tie this folder and command into a Terminal command in Linux, so you could just type “psychosis” and it will open Firefox with 7,470 tabs open if you’d like.

      I’m sure this will cause your laptop to explode, but that’s a downstream issue.