Leveling accusations of authoritarianism here is kind of missing the point. As if the problem with their ideology is anything besides the fascism. It’s needless obfuscation and a liberal view of authority besides.
Could I ask you to take a read of On Authority? It is very brief and quick reading, like 5 minutes tops.
Hence it is absurd to speak of the principle of authority as being absolutely evil, and of the principle of autonomy as being absolutely good. Authority and autonomy are relative things whose spheres vary with the various phases of the development of society.
I’m telling you that authoritarianism is a useless word. It’s used as a pejorative against any government that the wielder doesn’t like, and it misses all the actual problems of the regime being criticized. Authority is not by itself a bad thing, you have to look at how and why it is wielded. Is the problem with fascism that there is an authority? Or is it all the fascism?
Seriously you could argue that any country that has ever existed is authoritarian, the proper functioning of a state requires concentration of authority. It’s incredibly silly to just throw the term at whatever you don’t like. Don’t conflate authority with whatever actual problems a political ideology might have. You just end up whitewashing them.
Every country is a little authoritarian, and in equal measure fascist. The authority that enforces the hierarchy is the spiritual ignorance that gives rise to all of the social evils of this world. Your personal feelings about the word are totally irrelevant.
Every country is a little authoritarian, and in equal measure fascist. The authority that enforces the hierarchy is the spiritual ignorance that gives rise to all of the social evils of this world.
This is pure idealistic nonsense.
Your personal feelings about the word are totally irrelevant.
Did you bother to read On Authority? It’s not my personal feelings, but rather actual Marxist political philosophy. It’s bizarre for you to dismiss it as irrelevant while simultaneously insisting that your own bizarre word salad is fact.
It’s not idealism. It’s the nature of authority [the power or right to give orders, make decisions, and enforce obedience]. Every government assumes the authority to enforce its laws. Every country fails to represent fringe populations. The measure at which a country uses its authority to use violence to silence, eliminate, control, or otherwise fail to represent the fringe is it’s degree of fascism.
When I said “Your personal feelings” I was referring to your opinion that fascism is a white supremacist term, which isn’t based in fact at all.
The western left’s use of the term fascism, is borderline white-supremacist at this point. Fascism was a form of colonialism that died by the 1940s, and is only allowed to be demonized in public discourse, because it was a form of colonialism directed also against white europeans. It was defeated, and Germany / Italy / Japan reverted to the more stable form of government for colonialism (practiced by the US, Canada, UK, Australia, France, the Netherlands, etc): bourgeois parliamentarism.
British, european, and now US colonizers were doing the exact same thing, and killing far more people for hundreds of years in the global south, yet you don’t hear ppl scared of their countries potentially “becoming british colonialists.” They haven’t changed, and their wealth is still propped up by surplus value theft from the super-exploitation of hundreds of millions of low-paid global south proletarians.
This is why you have new leftists terrified that the UK or US or europe “might turn fascist!!”, betraying that the atrocities propagated by those empires against the global south was and is completely acceptable.
Leveling accusations of authoritarianism here is kind of missing the point. As if the problem with their ideology is anything besides the fascism. It’s needless obfuscation and a liberal view of authority besides.
Could I ask you to take a read of On Authority? It is very brief and quick reading, like 5 minutes tops.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1872/10/authority.htm
I hope you’re not seriously implying that fascism can exist without authoritarianism.
I’m telling you that authoritarianism is a useless word. It’s used as a pejorative against any government that the wielder doesn’t like, and it misses all the actual problems of the regime being criticized. Authority is not by itself a bad thing, you have to look at how and why it is wielded. Is the problem with fascism that there is an authority? Or is it all the fascism?
Seriously you could argue that any country that has ever existed is authoritarian, the proper functioning of a state requires concentration of authority. It’s incredibly silly to just throw the term at whatever you don’t like. Don’t conflate authority with whatever actual problems a political ideology might have. You just end up whitewashing them.
Every country is a little authoritarian, and in equal measure fascist. The authority that enforces the hierarchy is the spiritual ignorance that gives rise to all of the social evils of this world. Your personal feelings about the word are totally irrelevant.
This is pure idealistic nonsense.
Did you bother to read On Authority? It’s not my personal feelings, but rather actual Marxist political philosophy. It’s bizarre for you to dismiss it as irrelevant while simultaneously insisting that your own bizarre word salad is fact.
It’s not idealism. It’s the nature of authority [the power or right to give orders, make decisions, and enforce obedience]. Every government assumes the authority to enforce its laws. Every country fails to represent fringe populations. The measure at which a country uses its authority to use violence to silence, eliminate, control, or otherwise fail to represent the fringe is it’s degree of fascism.
When I said “Your personal feelings” I was referring to your opinion that fascism is a white supremacist term, which isn’t based in fact at all.
Now how will you twist my words?
Authority can be used to oppress people and to build hospitals, and it is really wrong to pretend that these uses are equivalent.
Hospitals built by authority serve authority.
The western left’s use of the term fascism, is borderline white-supremacist at this point. Fascism was a form of colonialism that died by the 1940s, and is only allowed to be demonized in public discourse, because it was a form of colonialism directed also against white europeans. It was defeated, and Germany / Italy / Japan reverted to the more stable form of government for colonialism (practiced by the US, Canada, UK, Australia, France, the Netherlands, etc): bourgeois parliamentarism.
British, european, and now US colonizers were doing the exact same thing, and killing far more people for hundreds of years in the global south, yet you don’t hear ppl scared of their countries potentially “becoming british colonialists.” They haven’t changed, and their wealth is still propped up by surplus value theft from the super-exploitation of hundreds of millions of low-paid global south proletarians.
This is why you have new leftists terrified that the UK or US or europe “might turn fascist!!”, betraying that the atrocities propagated by those empires against the global south was and is completely acceptable.
You can get out of my mentions with that crap. I don’t care to moan about the perceptions of the ignorant masses.
Gotta be one of the biggest red flags I’ve seen in awhile.