I thought Taiwan was China? Hard to invade yourself, eh, Xi?
Why are you defending the rump state of a fascist dictatorship?
I hope the “Republic of China” can someday be peacefully dissolved and the province of Taipei reunited under the mainland government.
Ugh, of course it was Blackburn
lifetime bitch
To be honest, it’s almost certainly reworded or poorly translated from whatever he originally said.
Assuming this conversation even happened.
They sure are a contentious bunch.
Can’t believe he figured it out. What a shame. Guess we’ll have to go provoke another country to invade our fellow flourishing independent democracies, who play a key role in the world’s trade.
Seriously though, I hope he’s just giving himself an easy out here. There’s always too much war going on.
I had to check if this article was from The Onion
The drunk uncles are giving statements again.
Taiwan has a right to defend itself if it chooses to.
With US troops?
Ukraine has a right to defend itself, but US troops are not deployed in Ukraine.
The Green Berets are the army’s spec ops that focus on training foreign fighters, specially chosen for things like foreign language proficiency. They’re not Rangers or general light infantry. Ideally they’re not really supposed to get into direct combat, as they’re rather time consuming and difficult to replace.
I would bet a whole bunch of money that we actually do have Green Berets present in Ukraine as well, though the only people that would know that for sure would be the US govt, the Ukrainians and probably Russian intelligence.
If the 101st Airborne gets deployed to Taiwan, then I’d be worried.
Green Berets are just as worrying. It means US is training locals, preparing for yet another proxy war or brutal crackdown on any real or potential opposition against place being subjugated to US empire.
If they didn’t want them, they could just ask them to leave. If the leader disagreed, the people could vote for a different leader.
It doesn’t. The vast majority of countries recognize the PRC having sovereignty over Taiwan, as does the UN. There is no right to separatism or anything like that. Rather the PRC has the right to enforce their sovereignty. The US btw has no right to send to troops into China, that’s an act of war.
There is no morality to statehood - just cost-benefit analysis
Is the General Secretary of the Chinese Communist Party the same person as the President of Taiwan, then?
So you’re not a fan of national self determination then?
The right to self-determination does not mean a right to an independent state or any right to secede.
Also I’m not a fan of creating a new national identity just so the US can claim part of China for its puppet regime. That’s using nationalism for a colonial divide-and-conquer strategy, that’s pretty much the opposite of liberation and self-determination.
You have no clue about Chinese history do you.
First link: Members of A Company, so you’re looking at 100 people maximum and likely less. Not exactly a large fighting force.
Second link: There’s nothing “quiet” about it. It’s been blaring on Western News non-stop for about 6 years now. The US has been completely open about weapons sales and training schedules.
Third link: We gave President Tsai Ing-Wen a medal. Okay, and?
not a fighting force
Genuine question, I know tone is hard to read online but I promise I’m not trying to be snarky: do you know the role that special forces in general and green berets in particular play in US proxy wars? They don’t fight, they raise and train local militias how to do insurgency and kill political enemies. Anytime green berets are in a country next door to an enemy of the US empire, it’s because they’re training the next ARVN, Taliban or Azov Battalion.
Not exactly a large fighting force
they’re not there to hold down a trench
The NED is notorious for basically being a CIA cut-out
It’s amazing that this gets any downvotes at all.
Washington Post 1991: Innocence Abroad: the New World of Spyless Coups
“A lot of what we do today was done covertly 25 years ago by the CIA,” agrees [NED cofounder Allen] Weinstein.
New York Times, 1997: Political Meddling by Outsiders: Not New for U.S.
The National Endowment for Democracy, created 15 years ago to do in the open what the Central Intelligence Agency has done surreptitiously for decades, spends $30 million a year to support things like political parties, labor unions, dissident movements and the news media in dozens of countries, including China.
1st link: title of article
2nd link: title of article
3rd link: title of article
Carrying on the legacy of Deng Xiaoping
Why would China invade itself?
Fuck off
Taiwan is independent and will always stay that way
Fuck off
No you; the argument was never that Taiwan is independent, even our government has never acknowledged that; only utter imbeciles ever thought that was the case.
Sure
The KMT doesn’t represent Taiwan. Tsai, obviously the former president, has already said that Taiwan is already independent and doesn’t need to “declare independence”. China’s position is 100% LARP. Their claim is that they already own Taiwan, which makes no sense at all.
There are basically ZERO pundits anywhere that know the history of Taiwan. They either parrot same NAFO-type propaganda or CPC propaganda – which is basically that Taiwan is an “inalienable part of China”, which is simply historically false. Throughout most of Chinese history none of the leaders gave two shits about the island of Taiwan until it became part of an important trade route. THEN the Qing dynasty started to administer very very small parts of it. They were later forced to give up their rule on those parts of Taiwan to imperial Japan for many reasons (yes, imperial Japan is bad). Afterwards, there still wasn’t much of a concern for taking Taiwan, either from the CPC nor the KMT. It only started happening after KMT lost their war and started claiming Taiwan was theirs and planning their escape plan. Shortly afterwards, the CPC said Taiwan was there’s as well.
In the bigger picture, aboriginal Taiwanese have arrived at Taiwan in various periods, starting around 6000 years ago. The vast majority of “Chinese” that came to Taiwan came starting around the 1600’s due to the Dutch East Indian company encouraging immigration from China and later on the Qing dynasty encouraged immigration as well (1800’s). CPC propaganda makes it seem like “Chinese” presence in Taiwan all came from the KMT fleeing to Taiwan or something. The KMT and all of their descendants only make up less than ONE FIFTH of the population of Taiwan.
Anyway I skipped over a lot of history including Dutch atrocities in Taiwan, a Ming loyalist dispelling the Dutch, and the Spanish colonization of (small parts) of Taiwan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_Formosa
Taiwanese identity is also very important and unlike what the CPC says, it’s not about being “anti-Chinese” or “not Chinese”, which makes no sense.Also, what does being loyal to “China” actually mean? The Ming dynasty had conflicts with the Qing dynasty, which one was more Chinese? Is the CPC responsible for everything bad previous dynasties did? Should the CPC take responsibility for KMT atrocities?? If no, why not? Do they own all the land that previous dynasties have owned? Does the CPC own all land that Chinese people live on? (Chinese nationalists actually use the ethnostate argument as a reason as to why the CPC should own Taiwan).
It would be awesome if Taiwan were rid of the dominance of the Han Chinese and recognized as an aboriginal nation-state led predominantly by the aboriginals. Unfortunately, just like the KMT, the West would ensure that such a state would be part of the fascist empire and used against China regardless of the will of the aboriginal peoples. Maybe someday Taiwan can be decolonized, but not until the European empire ends. Decolonization before that will end up like decolonization of Africa did - with European capture, counter-revolution, and the building of imperial military extensions.
So the southern US is its own independent country right? The losing side of civil wars gets to keep “their” land? (Actually this is being too charitable to Taiwan, they actually invaded land and called it theirs)
Wait let me quickly turn to the left and ask my taiwanese coworker
She says your full of shit and should go back to licking boots in silence
I mean yes, nationalists will be nationalists. I can also find a ton of confederates in the south of the US, flying the flag and everything. Here’s hoping she doesn’t have the same views on ethnicity as most nationalists do 😬
The KMT and CPC are both from China. The vast vast majority of Taiwanese are not KMT from China nor any of their descendants.
Unless you suggest that KMT is a nationality or ethnicity, 95-97% of Taiwan population is Han Chinese (mostly Hoklo and Hakka), and barely 2% are indigenous.
Taiwan is China, even the separatist regime in Taipei agrees on that.
Wait let me quickly turn to the left and ask my taiwanese coworker
She says your full of shit and should go back to licking boots in silence
That’s weird that she has the same exact response to both the comments you asked her about. This story feels very real and true.
Ask “her” if “she” has any rebuttal to the actual things being said.
Bro, you literally called them separatists lol
How many countries recognize Taiwan again?
Why would it need to be more than one?
And it’s 12, counting the Vatican.
Is the US among it? And why are they choosing to arm Taiwan instead? Do you think the US would be chill if another country decided to arm Hawaii,Puerto Rico, Alaska,… ?
FYI the weapons are basically shit (there’s agreement among Taiwanese and Chinese nationalists) and can’t be used for force projection at all. In Taiwan purchasing of these arms is considered paying protection money to the mafia. In the US it’s spun as helping Taiwan protect itself against China. In China it’s spun as the US interfering with China’s “internal affairs” since they’re larping as owning Taiwan.
I do agree that the US is trying to bait China into attacking Taiwan though. The special forces in Kinmen to train kids (they’re probably <23 years old) to pilot microdrones? LMAO. I’m not sure if CIA intelligence (as opposed to operations) even know the actual reason of why China wants to claim Taiwan. They may believe in their own propaganda.
Uh … Yeah you got us… All a trick, darn guess our dastardly plan failed and you won’t invade Taiwan now
