• If we really thought about it, there will be a raising amount of people who don’t have a job and will not be able to get a job ever due to the decline in human labour needs, which lead to fewer jobs being offered globally which means that with fewer humans around there will be a higher chance for people to get a good job.

  • Humans consume resources, with less humans around there will be more resources for each humans and they will collectively consume less resources in total.

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    2 months ago

    Right but our goal should be some hypothetical 100000 people who all live incredible, careless, needless, yet fulfilled lives (number is a joke, pick any you like). But to get there, it’s gonna take a while. Generations.

    I’d rather focus on raising up the lowest into a tier of stability, health, basics, etc. And rely on the upper group of consumers diminishing.

    Wondering about short term gains on something like this is silly.

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      2 months ago

      I’d rather focus on raising up the lowest into a tier of stability

      What you’re describing, then, has nothing to do with birth rates. That’s what I’m saying in this thread: reduced birth rates won’t fix the problem of runaway consumption and emerging scarcity.

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        2 months ago

        Reduce birthrates A LOT (via non eugenic methods, I’m not playing with that), and prefer to remove (again, via absence) the most consumptive.

        Give it a few hundred years and baby, you got a stew goin.

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          2 months ago

          I’m saying that you can reduce birthrates a lot and it won’t make much of a difference, because you can’t go below zero and the rich/high consumption countries are already low.

          If your goal is to reduce net consumption, then reduce consumption (or replenish consumed resources through increased production or restoration/replenishment of what is consumed). Preventing births itself won’t meaningfully move the needle.

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            2 months ago

            Over a few generations reducing birthday near zero would absolutely love the needle.

            I think we generally agree, I’m just focused on a wider time span