Yes, people in Gaza are human. And like all humans, they have a responsibility for their actions. Hamas committed genocide on October 7 and are continuing to hold hostages. It’s almost a year now, isn’t it time for Palestinians to start admitting that Hamas is bad for them?
All we see is support for Hamas or excuses for their actions. Or just looking the other way. Can anyone point to any real protest against Hamas by Palestinians? I can understand people living in Gaza and the West Bank may be too afraid to speak out against Hamas, but people who have left the country? Where are the Palestinian voices denouncing Hamas?
When German cities were bombed to ruin in WWII, the German people realized the hateful movement they succumbed to was not good for them. Afterwards Germany was rebuilt into a peaceful prosperous country. When will Palestinians come to the same conclusion that Germans made?
All I see now is people painting Israel as evil for doing pretty much the same thing the Allies did to Germany in WWII. Being influenced into the hatred Hamas espouses. This conflict will not come to an end by promoting hatred of Israel. It can only end when people recognize their hatred is destroying themselves.
This is not a serious comment, whether you meant it as one or not.
Great evidence for “go ahead and block this user” right here.
Remarkable Gish Gallop here, a whole string of ahistorical nonsense. To cite one example, what’s the equivalent of Israel’s Marshall Plan, then?
Read your history. The Marshall plan didn’t happen while the Nazis were running things in Germany. it happened after Germany’s unconditional surrender.
So when is Hamas going to surrender unconditionally?
Giddyup! The way Israel treats Palestine is more akin to the way the League of Nations treated Germany under the Treaty of Versailles, and look how that turned out. But, okay, for the sake of argument, if Hamas surrendered unconditionally, what’s Israel’s Marshall Plan?
Gish gallop.
Bottom line: Israel is a genocidal regime. Women, children, aid workers, reporters, Israel kills them all. The regime needs stopping. Now.
Bottom line: In Gaza there are urban combat operations in a urban area against non-uniformed combatants. Despite this, the total number of casualties (both combatants and non combatants, the numbers aren’t broken down) are less than the casualties this year in Ukraine.
Yes civilians die in war, especially when it’s being being fought in urban areas. This war is being fought in urban areas because that’s where Hamas is holding Israelis hostage in those areas. If you really cared about the toll on the civilian population you’d be calling on Hamas to release the hostages. But you aren’t because you don’t care about the civilian deaths for anything other than as a propaganda tool.
You guys can preach these kinds of things to each other, but you aren’t fooling anyone outside of your little group. People aren’t listening to you because they don’t care about Palestinians. People do care about Palestinians. It’s just that everyone is catching on to the fact that YOU don’t actually care about Palestinians and you’re just using them as a tool in a campaign against Israel. Shameful.
Jesus Christ. The mental gymnastics.
To use your same level of reductive reasoning, it’s a terrorism when Gazans fight in Israel, but a freedom when Israelis fight in Gaza. Why is that? 0_o
That’s bullshit. When the cities were bombed they rallied behind Hitler. just like the British rallied behind Churchill, and the Vietnamese rallied behind Ho Chi Minh.
It’s literally in the textbooks now that you cannot bomb an ideology. Has been since 1975.
It’s almost a year now, isn’t it time for Palestinians to start admitting that Hamas is bad for them?
Prior to the war, the majority of Gazans did not support Hamas. Because they are extremists who are bad at governing and bad at being nice and sane neighbours.
This did not help them much once the war started. Now Hamas has widespread support, because they are extremists who are good at fighting off a foreign invader that is in the process of blowing them and their families up.
All we see is support for Hamas or excuses for their actions. Or just looking the other way. Can anyone point to any real protest against Hamas by Palestinians? I can understand people living in Gaza and the West Bank may be too afraid to speak out against Hamas, but people who have left the country? Where are the Palestinian voices denouncing Hamas?
They exist, but they are not likely to be particularly vocal about it. Even if a Palestinian does not like Hamas and their actions, from their perspective, Hamas is still on the side of the Palestinians, fighting against an even worse aggressor - one that is in the midst of a geocidal campaign against their people. It’s like expecting an Israeli citizen to stand up and condemn the IDF and Israeli apartheid while the Oct 7 attacks were ongoing. There are plenty in Israel who do so. But in the middle of a massacre is not a likely timing for it.
Don’t try to rewrite history. They voted them in knowing full well it would be their last vote. And both regimes are engaged in attempts at genocide. One is just far better equipped to carry it out.
I’m not actually clear on what part of my comment you are having an issue with.
And Gazans voted them in hoping the platform of better internal security, less corruption, and less extremism that Hamas was running on would give them a better life. Exit polls corroborate this, with most voters saying they wanted peace with Israel and wanted Hamas to moderate its stance against Israel.
They could choose between the israeli PA or Palestinian Hamas. They chose right.
No, you’re not special. The world has ignored every ethnic cleansing so far. Why would they change now?
Not in the eyes of the Israeli state, unfortunately.
That is heartbreaking. The civilians in this conflict really need to be saved…
The extremist settlers, Hamas and Hezbollah all need to be stopped.
Yes, because the extremist settlers exist in a void.. Let us lay blame to the resistance groups for not being perfect victims rather than the people that founded their state and continue to perpetuate it through mass murder, theft, rape, torture, subjugation and oppression of the Palestinian people. All the citizens of Israel are free of guilt, responsibility, and consequence despite the fact that they are not only benefactors of their genocidal state but also overwhelmingly (~72% as of March) support Israel’s crimes against the people of Gaza.
Realistically speaking, if Israel was tried and given the same treatment as the Germans were in the Nuremberg trials, there would not be enough free Zionists to even put up a facade of a state.
With extremist settlers you are referring to the genocidal settler colonial apartheid entity as a whole, right?
God… It’s like the ultimate buzzword bingo card. The real world is not so simple to distill into buzzwords… But then again, we are in the age of social media where buzzwords reign supreme
Everyone knows if you call out a crime enough times, it becomes lame and stops counting.
Every word they used is true and every one is written in the blood of ordinary people. Take your apologia for crimes against humanity back to Reddit.
The fact that you even took that as apologia says it all. There is just zero critical thinking left any more. It’s a postmodern meaningless world where we can go on social media and parade as if we’re marching with MLK in Memphis. It’s all roleplay. If people really cared about these issues the engagement would look a lot different. The conversation would be oriented towards solutions - - not flashy bingo buzzwords.
Role playing? Parading on social media?
I’m literally in Lebanon. My original hometown is being bombed, and might be annexed like in the 1980s. I’m helping the displaced folks in shelters every goddamn day. Our EMTs and their centers are being struck (100 of our medical staff killed so far). It’s an absolute apocalypse for many people, many of the most vulnerable here. Neighborhoods are gone, do you understand? One day we plan to help displaced friends get their valuable stuff out of their homes, the next day the homes are just gone. Ashes. No combatants or weapons, just homes turned to ashes. I’m lucky enough to only hear the bombs and sonic booms where I live, and to feel the occasional distant thud.
And what’s happening in Lebanon is only a fraction of the misery in Gaza.
When we see them drop a strike over the city, we don’t think “yay bingo buzzword”. We’re not selling you on feeling bad for us. Just because you live in a coddled country it doesn’t mean the real crimes happening elsewhere are buzzwords to annoy you. If there’s an absolute laundry list of crimes we are facing, how is it our fault?
If it makes you feel better, your marches in the west are what looks like role play to us. You ask your governments and supposed representatives too nicely to stop supporting these crimes and in return they make fun of you and ignore these urgent pleas. They dare you to not support them even when they do the opposite of what you want.
Don’t patronize me. I’m not the one who’s only angrily typing online. I’m blocking you.
My original comment had nothing to do with you. You took nothing out of what I said. I’m sorry about your experience though.
No. I believe civilians, politicians and soldiers everywhere have a right to live in freedom, as long as they don’t commit crimes on humanity. Only those specific people need to be stopped. If you think all Israelis are criminals, it would follow all Palestinians are as well. What crimes could Israeli children commit? What crimes could Palestinian children commit? The terror from all sides needs to stop.
Agree with the sentiment, but dang is that a bit of word salad. I’d have gone with genocidal settler or colonial apartheid but both together feels clunky.
even before the state of israel was declared the iranians and whats left of persia declared war on israel.extinction to be clear.
decades later they do the same shit. more proxies, more missiles, more victims.
while countries like egypt were able to make deals with palestine and now even wont let palestinians in. palestine always chose the worst way. just recently fatah chief motherfucker visited putin the evil dictator.
so while there are plenty of nice and friendly people in palestine, lebanon, syria, iran etc. - ppl are just done with their shit. seriously even a ceasefire…for what? more proxies? using EU and US funding thats ment for schools to build bunkers below?
in hamas propaganda that is also featured in “we will dance again” the hamas terrorists say they expect more than 20k palestinians to be killed. so fuck them. fuck anyone who ever gave the hamastards food or water.
nova festival just showed the world what the palestinians allow the hamas terrorists do to others. no outcry. nope. but the reflex of the palestinians is: but radical jewish settlers bad. true. but at least there is a majority not being total assholes.
Yes because that’s what you do when a band of religious extremists coups the government and begins a genocide.
Yes you are.
I wish my country wasn’t assisting and actively providing tools for this genocide. I also wish it wasn’t called antisemitism to criticize the Israeli government. I have no problem with Jewish people. I have a problem with a government killing innocent civilians in the name of “preemptive self-defense”.
