Yes, people in Gaza are human. And like all humans, they have a responsibility for their actions. Hamas committed genocide on October 7 and are continuing to hold hostages. It’s almost a year now, isn’t it time for Palestinians to start admitting that Hamas is bad for them?
All we see is support for Hamas or excuses for their actions. Or just looking the other way. Can anyone point to any real protest against Hamas by Palestinians? I can understand people living in Gaza and the West Bank may be too afraid to speak out against Hamas, but people who have left the country? Where are the Palestinian voices denouncing Hamas?
When German cities were bombed to ruin in WWII, the German people realized the hateful movement they succumbed to was not good for them. Afterwards Germany was rebuilt into a peaceful prosperous country. When will Palestinians come to the same conclusion that Germans made?
All I see now is people painting Israel as evil for doing pretty much the same thing the Allies did to Germany in WWII. Being influenced into the hatred Hamas espouses. This conflict will not come to an end by promoting hatred of Israel. It can only end when people recognize their hatred is destroying themselves.
Read your history. The Marshall plan didn’t happen while the Nazis were running things in Germany. it happened after Germany’s unconditional surrender.
So when is Hamas going to surrender unconditionally?
Giddyup! The way Israel treats Palestine is more akin to the way the League of Nations treated Germany under the Treaty of Versailles, and look how that turned out. But, okay, for the sake of argument, if Hamas surrendered unconditionally, what’s Israel’s Marshall Plan?
Bottom line: In Gaza there are urban combat operations in a urban area against non-uniformed combatants. Despite this, the total number of casualties (both combatants and non combatants, the numbers aren’t broken down) are less than the casualties this year in Ukraine.
Yes civilians die in war, especially when it’s being being fought in urban areas. This war is being fought in urban areas because that’s where Hamas is holding Israelis hostage in those areas. If you really cared about the toll on the civilian population you’d be calling on Hamas to release the hostages. But you aren’t because you don’t care about the civilian deaths for anything other than as a propaganda tool.
You guys can preach these kinds of things to each other, but you aren’t fooling anyone outside of your little group. People aren’t listening to you because they don’t care about Palestinians. People do care about Palestinians. It’s just that everyone is catching on to the fact that YOU don’t actually care about Palestinians and you’re just using them as a tool in a campaign against Israel. Shameful.
To use your same level of reductive reasoning, it’s a terrorism when Gazans fight in Israel, but a freedom when Israelis fight in Gaza. Why is that? 0_o
That’s bullshit. When the cities were bombed they rallied behind Hitler. just like the British rallied behind Churchill, and the Vietnamese rallied behind Ho Chi Minh.
It’s literally in the textbooks now that you cannot bomb an ideology. Has been since 1975.
It’s almost a year now, isn’t it time for Palestinians to start admitting that Hamas is bad for them?
Prior to the war, the majority of Gazans did not support Hamas. Because they are extremists who are bad at governing and bad at being nice and sane neighbours.
This did not help them much once the war started. Now Hamas has widespread support, because they are extremists who are good at fighting off a foreign invader that is in the process of blowing them and their families up.
All we see is support for Hamas or excuses for their actions. Or just looking the other way. Can anyone point to any real protest against Hamas by Palestinians? I can understand people living in Gaza and the West Bank may be too afraid to speak out against Hamas, but people who have left the country? Where are the Palestinian voices denouncing Hamas?
They exist, but they are not likely to be particularly vocal about it. Even if a Palestinian does not like Hamas and their actions, from their perspective, Hamas is still on the side of the Palestinians, fighting against an even worse aggressor - one that is in the midst of a geocidal campaign against their people. It’s like expecting an Israeli citizen to stand up and condemn the IDF and Israeli apartheid while the Oct 7 attacks were ongoing. There are plenty in Israel who do so. But in the middle of a massacre is not a likely timing for it.
Don’t try to rewrite history. They voted them in knowing full well it would be their last vote. And both regimes are engaged in attempts at genocide. One is just far better equipped to carry it out.
I’m not actually clear on what part of my comment you are having an issue with.
And Gazans voted them in hoping the platform of better internal security, less corruption, and less extremism that Hamas was running on would give them a better life. Exit polls corroborate this, with most voters saying they wanted peace with Israel and wanted Hamas to moderate its stance against Israel.
Yes, people in Gaza are human. And like all humans, they have a responsibility for their actions. Hamas committed genocide on October 7 and are continuing to hold hostages. It’s almost a year now, isn’t it time for Palestinians to start admitting that Hamas is bad for them?
All we see is support for Hamas or excuses for their actions. Or just looking the other way. Can anyone point to any real protest against Hamas by Palestinians? I can understand people living in Gaza and the West Bank may be too afraid to speak out against Hamas, but people who have left the country? Where are the Palestinian voices denouncing Hamas?
When German cities were bombed to ruin in WWII, the German people realized the hateful movement they succumbed to was not good for them. Afterwards Germany was rebuilt into a peaceful prosperous country. When will Palestinians come to the same conclusion that Germans made?
All I see now is people painting Israel as evil for doing pretty much the same thing the Allies did to Germany in WWII. Being influenced into the hatred Hamas espouses. This conflict will not come to an end by promoting hatred of Israel. It can only end when people recognize their hatred is destroying themselves.
Remarkable Gish Gallop here, a whole string of ahistorical nonsense. To cite one example, what’s the equivalent of Israel’s Marshall Plan, then?
Read your history. The Marshall plan didn’t happen while the Nazis were running things in Germany. it happened after Germany’s unconditional surrender.
So when is Hamas going to surrender unconditionally?
Giddyup! The way Israel treats Palestine is more akin to the way the League of Nations treated Germany under the Treaty of Versailles, and look how that turned out. But, okay, for the sake of argument, if Hamas surrendered unconditionally, what’s Israel’s Marshall Plan?
Gish gallop.
Bottom line: Israel is a genocidal regime. Women, children, aid workers, reporters, Israel kills them all. The regime needs stopping. Now.
Bottom line: In Gaza there are urban combat operations in a urban area against non-uniformed combatants. Despite this, the total number of casualties (both combatants and non combatants, the numbers aren’t broken down) are less than the casualties this year in Ukraine.
Yes civilians die in war, especially when it’s being being fought in urban areas. This war is being fought in urban areas because that’s where Hamas is holding Israelis hostage in those areas. If you really cared about the toll on the civilian population you’d be calling on Hamas to release the hostages. But you aren’t because you don’t care about the civilian deaths for anything other than as a propaganda tool.
You guys can preach these kinds of things to each other, but you aren’t fooling anyone outside of your little group. People aren’t listening to you because they don’t care about Palestinians. People do care about Palestinians. It’s just that everyone is catching on to the fact that YOU don’t actually care about Palestinians and you’re just using them as a tool in a campaign against Israel. Shameful.
To use your same level of reductive reasoning, it’s a terrorism when Gazans fight in Israel, but a freedom when Israelis fight in Gaza. Why is that? 0_o
Jesus Christ. The mental gymnastics.
This is not a serious comment, whether you meant it as one or not.
Great evidence for “go ahead and block this user” right here.
That’s bullshit. When the cities were bombed they rallied behind Hitler. just like the British rallied behind Churchill, and the Vietnamese rallied behind Ho Chi Minh.
It’s literally in the textbooks now that you cannot bomb an ideology. Has been since 1975.
Prior to the war, the majority of Gazans did not support Hamas. Because they are extremists who are bad at governing and bad at being nice and sane neighbours.
This did not help them much once the war started. Now Hamas has widespread support, because they are extremists who are good at fighting off a foreign invader that is in the process of blowing them and their families up.
They exist, but they are not likely to be particularly vocal about it. Even if a Palestinian does not like Hamas and their actions, from their perspective, Hamas is still on the side of the Palestinians, fighting against an even worse aggressor - one that is in the midst of a geocidal campaign against their people. It’s like expecting an Israeli citizen to stand up and condemn the IDF and Israeli apartheid while the Oct 7 attacks were ongoing. There are plenty in Israel who do so. But in the middle of a massacre is not a likely timing for it.
https://theconversation.com/hamas-was-unpopular-in-gaza-before-it-attacked-israel-surveys-showed-gazans-cared-more-about-fighting-poverty-than-armed-resistance-215640
Don’t try to rewrite history. They voted them in knowing full well it would be their last vote. And both regimes are engaged in attempts at genocide. One is just far better equipped to carry it out.
I’m not actually clear on what part of my comment you are having an issue with.
And Gazans voted them in hoping the platform of better internal security, less corruption, and less extremism that Hamas was running on would give them a better life. Exit polls corroborate this, with most voters saying they wanted peace with Israel and wanted Hamas to moderate its stance against Israel.
They could choose between the israeli PA or Palestinian Hamas. They chose right.