“Am I out of touch with the world”
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“Please stop telling me i am wrong and give me answers that support my initial idea”This is a weird post.
The first paragraph is bonkers.
The second paragraph is essentially just trying to cover his ass.
Though, from a philosophical standpoint, there isn’t anything wrong with asking this. On the other hand, if it really was his position to frame this as a thought experiment, the question would have been posed differently the first time around.
This is really annoying because the purpose of philosophising on things is to be allowed to ask questions like this.
A polarising figure, Sam Harris once said in an interview “What’s wrong with eating babies? If we have too many babies lying around, and we want to eat them, why can’t we?”
Some people took that and ran with it: “Sam Harris defends cannabalising babies”, even though the entire point of his statement was to demonstrate how laymen should stay the fuck away from philosophy because they cannot understand the question is designed to establish a moral foundation.
if I’m guaranteed a human interview and not an AI chatbot …yeah I would pay 20 dls as shitty as it is
Remember to charge him for interviews when his business model falls through.
You know I hate to say it but this isn’t the single worst idea I’ve ever heard, it would still fucking suck though.
This isn’t to guarantee an interview as some are saying. What he’s saying is an application fee, so you don’t have 90% of your applicants wildly unqualified for the job that need to be screened out every time. It’s kind of the same idea of charging half a cent for every email sent to drive down junk mail, which, functionally, is what a lot of applications are unfortunately.
At some point, the screening process AND the application process are going to be so automated that it will be like the sorting hat from Harry Potter. Automate the position description, automate the screening, automate the application process (you are here), automate the interviewer, automate the interviewee…
One day you’ll just wake up and without you or the company knowing, a hat will drop on your head and tell you where you work now.
Also, anyone looking for work that hasn’t begun automating as much of their application process as possible should get started immediately. Applying is a volume game, especially right now.
At a minimum, you should anticipate submitting about 80 applications to get a few interviews and possibly a job. SHRM data backs this up. It’s obviously less for niche or less desirable positions and more for others, but 80 is a good frame of reference. If you’re looking for WFH positions in fields where WFH wasn’t the norm before covid, double the number.
Landlords used this. Still do. It’s discriminatory and evil. In some places there is legislation to stop it or limit its abuse.
Unfortunately this is why I use LinkedIn. It automatically fills in the application and I just click apply - no repetitive copying of the resume.
The only reason I don’t use ChatGPT for cover letters is that I won’t even dignity those with a fake letter, they can get fucked.
For those complaining that it’s a terrible idea, and it may well be, have your ever been on the receiving end of shotgunned resumes?
What’s a good solution to this?
Some hiring sites have started showing how many other jobs applicants have applied to via the same platform, and whether they were rejected for not meeting minimum qualifications.
Well that’s lame af. But that doesn’t really address my question.
They can start by rejecting everyone who doesn’t appear to read job requirements.
This is the most entitled white guy take.
I stopped using Upwork for the same reason. They wanted me to pay to be able to bid for a job.
The job quality I saw for development work was atrocious. I did not stick around for more than a day. Students asking to pay pennies for what is clearly coursework, shady businesses looking to pay laughably below market rate even in a LCoL area, etc. Complete waste of time, for me at least.
What we need is a unified set of standards for job listings and for resumes. Make it easy to see which workers and which jobs are a bad fit. Just formatting and key words would be huge.
I might pay a small fee for a guaranteed interview. If I can get in front of someone, I usually score. OTOH, I’d never trust a company doing this, so…
I get that it’s annoying to have a lot of (obviously) under qualified applications, and someone has to go through them. I just don’t think it’s possible to solve this problem without being unfair to at least some applicants.
More context
I was part of a hiring committee for a professor job at an European university last year. The job description was clear enough that you got the vibe “this is a high profile job. Only apply if you think you really are high profile for a European university.”
And we got soooo many trash applications, we rejected more than 90% in the first screening. Some obvious ones, and some less obvious ones. The obvious ones were the most annoying, because wtf is that application. One that will always stay in my mind is the application of an already established professor, which consisted only of a CV that looked like a 3 year old glued it together and someone replicated that in Power Point in 2003. I was so confused about this application, because how tf did this person think this was enough? They’re an established professor! They really should know how applications work.
So yeah, I get that there are a lot of annoying applications coming in that feel like a waste of time for everyone. Asking money to apply will not help tho.
Maybe hire someone to help with the applications…? No wait, then you’d have to go through even more applications. /s
The job description was clear enough that you got the vibe “this is a high profile job. Only apply if you think you really are high profile for a European university.”
Lol I apply for things like that cause what the fuck are they doing on Indeed?
Don’t forget to tip the interviewer, too.
The $0 option actually just defaults to the $5 minimum
Applying for jobs and interviews should be paid time. Don’t change my mind
Im a software engineer. Im super lucky i have a good resume, and don’t waste too much time compared to some (i never send a cover letter, ill just leave a dot or “i was forced to write this text”).
Just to talk to 5 teams, i need to do 10 code challenges/interviews (3 hours each) and over 20 other types of interviews for the 5/10 tests i didnt fuckup. That’s a week of work. People pay me several thousand dollars for this time normally.
I don’t think getting paid will work. It could be that there’s an amount in my total comp that is meant to compensate my time, and a direct cash bonus if i do get the job or something (singing bonus). But we know theyll just deduct it out of what they were going to offer anyway
I have gotten around huge coding homework during interview proceedings by telling the company that I’m also interviewing elsewhere. The homework dropped from a six hour task to a one hour task.
Some companies try to get free labor out of you during the interview proceedings.
Singing bonus only if you can perform ‘under pressure’
More of a “Bohemian Rhapsody” guy personally, but I’ll give it a go.
Don’t make me choose between Bowie and Queen
Does “Ice Ice Baby” also work or not? Asking for a friend
Excellent collobration and listening skills
Always brings something new and inventive to the table
It might satisfy some unit tests, but would probably fail integration testing. Sorry.
If it makes you feel any better, HR concluded that this long interview hazing process is no better than doing one interview. We still do 5 interviews anyway because it makes us look more prestigious and other companies expect us to do it.
Considering the question posed was, “Am I insensitive to the world if…,” I will politely say the answer is “Yes,” and impolitely say, “you huge dipshit.”
You are way too kind. Dipshit implies a mistake from ignorance. This guy is an ass of the greatest magnitude.
