• PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee
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    That’s a lot of text trying to justify not just calling people what they tell you they want to be called.

    Also, “settler colonialism” just taking us back to that whole “recognizing queer rights is just white people shit” angle, you just fucking troyed yourself. “In your soul.” “That’s racist.” “In your body?” “That’s gay?” “That’s homophobic.” “That’s Black.” “That’s Racist!”

    Talking about it erasing blackness also flying dangerously close to that boundary, and “femicide” looks suspiciously like all the TERF Island rumblings about “erasing womanhood”.

    If someone goes out of their way to specifically tell you how they want to be referred to, just fucking do that instead of being a little crying bitch baby about it. It’s some letters, you can ask them for a pronunciation if it’s really that hard to sight read.

    Every second you spend on trying to justify intentionally putting down how someone wants to be referred to is infinitely more effort than was ever necessary for anything, and continuing to try and justify this childish tantrum throwing is exponentially more effort than that.

    Just respect how people want you to refer to them. Just do that. It’s not nearly as hard as you’re trying to excuse it as. Just be a decent person already.

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      That’s a lot of text trying to justify not just calling people what they tell you they want to be called.

      You evidently cannot read, as I explicitly said, in the first line, that I have no problem calling someone latinx if they tell me that is what they want to be called.

      Anyway, I am not actually promulgating the arguments you are critiquing.

      I am saying that the term latinx is contentious, amongst hispanic LGBTQ people, amongst academics, as well as amongst the reactionaries you seem to want to label me as.

      As the term is contentious, and I am not a hispanic LGBTQ person, I am not going to tell people they cannot label themselves as latinx, nor am I going to insist use of that term instead of others.

      I am bewildered as to how you have decided that I am a crying little baby bitch who is throwing a childish temper tantrum.

      I am not a hispanic LGBTQ person, my only relevant experience or credential or whatever is interacting in my relatively basic level of Spanish with many people, most for the purpose of attempting to help them get housing or some other kind of assistance.

      I used to design the online and offline forms used for intake and other various functions, and I am basing what I’ve said on my experience and the many experiences of the employees using said forms, as well as myself when I did outreach.

      My personal opinion is twofold:

      1. Latinx basically either doesn’t work as a word or is confusing following Spanish’s own rules.

      2. I have interacted with (directly and by proxy via constantly receiving feedback from the intake crew and other employees at the nonprofit) hundreds of Spanish only speakers, and they are generally confused by the word latinx, likely due to part 1.

      Again, since I apparently have to make this clear, if someone tells me they identify as latinx, I have no problem with this.

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        2 months ago

        You’re the one who compared it to neo-pronouns as if expecting people to respect either if presented with them in a social context is ridiculous.

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          Its the closest analogy I can come up with, though it is not linguistically perfect.

          The closeness of the analogy is that neo pronouns and latinx are primarily used by terminally online people, rarely used in most people’s day to day real world experience, that the terms are viewed by many as linguistically awkward, confusing and/or cringey.

          I don’t know what to tell you if you think that talking to an average Spanish only speaker and using the term latinx, or an average English speaker using neo-pronouns, that the average person is in the real world is not going to find this confusing and strange.

          They are thus both examples of terms that seem normal/acceptable/understandable only to a person who is terminally online.