Donald Trump has 267 of the 270 electoral votes needed to win the White House and is leading in key races left to be called, including Michigan and Wisconsin.
That’s true, but whataboutism doesn’t help much in a thread about the US election. Besides, in hardly any other democratic country in the world is the far-right or fascist candidate so obviously completely unsuitable: Trump has already been president and has previously made policies contrary to the interests of the idiots who voted for him; he has a criminal record for fraud and has been found guilty in various proceedings for many other crimes, such as sexual harassment, defamation and fraud amounting to millions. It doesn’t get any more obvious than that.
Yeah but so many people here didn’t vote for him and are just as appalled, so when we’re lumped in with the people who did vote for him that’s gonna make people pretty defensive
Yes, I get that of course. I’m sorry for you and every other US citizen that did not vote for him. I’m from Europe and still posted some anti-Trump stuff because I despise him and everything he stands for. I think he is a threat for the whole world.
I’m from Germany and here, too, the fascists are unfortunately on the rise again - despite our terrible past. I realize, of course, that you can’t talk sense to them because they simply ignore arguments and cling uncritically to the lies of their leaders. Nevertheless, I think the situation in the USA is somewhat different, because Trump was already president in pretty much everyone’s lifetime and has only made policy for the super-rich; he has also been convicted of fraud several times and has also enriched himself from the general public (the list goes on). You would think that those who are not die-hard fascists, of which there are probably many, would take this as an opportunity to see through his lies about a better life for the little people. But unfortunately that didn’t happen, I can’t for the life of me understand why not. I mean if you understand stupidity as the inability to learn from mistakes, it seems extremely stupid to me to vote for Trump even a second time.
OC said America was full of stupid people. I can’t see how that means that the US would be the only country full of stupid people. Of course there are lots and lots of stupid people elsewhere. Pointing that out in the context of the US election sure sounds like whataboutism to me. My only point is that it does not make things any better just because there are other countries with similar issues. But I see what you mean and think you are right: maybe other countries can learn something from this debacle - I don’t have much hope anymore in that regard but we will see.
No, of course not. It’s just that even people from other countries are pissed because the US elected Trump a second time. Now we have to deal with his horrible policies again. I personally think the man is a threat for the whole democratic world and because of his horrible positions on climate change and other issues even for the whole world.
And you’re right about all this, but calling us all idiots specifically is not helpful. Millions of Americans are incredibly upset by this. It will be disastrous and there’s not a fucking thing we can do. We voted and it didn’t matter.
I’m sorry if you took my comment that way. I’m really the very last person who wants to lump an entire country together. My point was simply that this election has once again shown that there are significant problems in the US (education, racism, corruption, inequality, etc.) that have allowed Trump to deceive the population yet again. To relativize now by pointing out that things are just as bad or even worse elsewhere in the world only distracts from the real issue in my opinion. Nevertheless, I wish you all the best and very much hope that you can somehow put a stop to Trump’s greed and his terrible ideology.
That’s true, but whataboutism doesn’t help much in a thread about the US election. Besides, in hardly any other democratic country in the world is the far-right or fascist candidate so obviously completely unsuitable: Trump has already been president and has previously made policies contrary to the interests of the idiots who voted for him; he has a criminal record for fraud and has been found guilty in various proceedings for many other crimes, such as sexual harassment, defamation and fraud amounting to millions. It doesn’t get any more obvious than that.
Yeah but so many people here didn’t vote for him and are just as appalled, so when we’re lumped in with the people who did vote for him that’s gonna make people pretty defensive
Yes, I get that of course. I’m sorry for you and every other US citizen that did not vote for him. I’m from Europe and still posted some anti-Trump stuff because I despise him and everything he stands for. I think he is a threat for the whole world.
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I’m from Germany and here, too, the fascists are unfortunately on the rise again - despite our terrible past. I realize, of course, that you can’t talk sense to them because they simply ignore arguments and cling uncritically to the lies of their leaders. Nevertheless, I think the situation in the USA is somewhat different, because Trump was already president in pretty much everyone’s lifetime and has only made policy for the super-rich; he has also been convicted of fraud several times and has also enriched himself from the general public (the list goes on). You would think that those who are not die-hard fascists, of which there are probably many, would take this as an opportunity to see through his lies about a better life for the little people. But unfortunately that didn’t happen, I can’t for the life of me understand why not. I mean if you understand stupidity as the inability to learn from mistakes, it seems extremely stupid to me to vote for Trump even a second time.
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I don’t really want to accept it, but you’re probably right.
It’s not whataboutism when OC was the one saying it is a US specific issue
OC said America was full of stupid people. I can’t see how that means that the US would be the only country full of stupid people. Of course there are lots and lots of stupid people elsewhere. Pointing that out in the context of the US election sure sounds like whataboutism to me. My only point is that it does not make things any better just because there are other countries with similar issues. But I see what you mean and think you are right: maybe other countries can learn something from this debacle - I don’t have much hope anymore in that regard but we will see.
But the original comment, calling us all morons, is helpful?
No, of course not. It’s just that even people from other countries are pissed because the US elected Trump a second time. Now we have to deal with his horrible policies again. I personally think the man is a threat for the whole democratic world and because of his horrible positions on climate change and other issues even for the whole world.
And you’re right about all this, but calling us all idiots specifically is not helpful. Millions of Americans are incredibly upset by this. It will be disastrous and there’s not a fucking thing we can do. We voted and it didn’t matter.
I’m sorry if you took my comment that way. I’m really the very last person who wants to lump an entire country together. My point was simply that this election has once again shown that there are significant problems in the US (education, racism, corruption, inequality, etc.) that have allowed Trump to deceive the population yet again. To relativize now by pointing out that things are just as bad or even worse elsewhere in the world only distracts from the real issue in my opinion. Nevertheless, I wish you all the best and very much hope that you can somehow put a stop to Trump’s greed and his terrible ideology.