Israeli Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich welcomed President-elect Donald Trump’s electoral victory Monday, saying that “the time has come” to extend full Israeli sovereignty over the occupied West Bank.

He made the comment a day after Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said in a recorded statement that he has spoken three times with Trump since the election and that they “see eye to eye on the Iranian threat.

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    The fact that, if Harris did change from the policy of unconditional military support, she would have certainly flipped swing states and won the election does absolutely make me mad too.

    I have to strongly disagree here. Keep in mind, I support Gaza. But supporters of Israel far outnumber supporters of Gaza, especially outside of Michigan. It basically put Biden and Harris in a lose-lose situation, because no matter which side they took, somebody was going to get pissed off. Had they shown more support for Gaza, they’d have pissed off far more Jews and she’d have lost the election anyway. Probably by an even wider margin. Whether it was the morally correct choice is a matter of personal opinion, but the choice she made is the choice that was the least shitty option politically.

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        First, 51% is hardly a ringing endorsement of anything. A technical majority, yes. But a statistical tie and certainly not overwhelming support.

        Also, by your logic, this means she would have lost a little under half the Jewish vote. Here’s the problem with that. That still dwarfs Palestinians and supporters of Gaza. By a large margin. Which means she still would have lost, probably by a wider margin. Maybe not as wide as I originally said, but wider nonetheless. At Best, it would have gotten her Michigan. But in doing so, she would have likely risked even more states with large Jewish populations.

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          Again, no. Look at the other polls I already posted. You’re also assuming that Israel is the number one issue for Jewish Americans. It’s 9th. It wouldn’t have taken half of Jewish American votes away when about 70% vote Democrat because of the overt antisemitism of the Republican party. All your doing is conflating Zionism with Judaism to justify the actions of the campaign

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            All your doing is conflating Zionism with Judaism to justify the actions of the campaign

            Protip: When you have to resort with thinly veiled accusations of antisemitism to make your argument, you might wanna re-evaluate your argument.

            There are 160,000 Palestinians in the US. There are 5.8 million Jewish adult voters in the US.

            79% of them voted for Harris. Or just shy of 4.6 million voters

            25% considered Israel a major policy item. Or just shy of 1.15 million Harris voters.

            Which means that had she supported Gaza, she would have lost about 1.15 million Jewish people who consider Israel a top priority. Which means for every supporter of Gaza she would have picked up, she’d have lost 5 Jewish votes. Which means she would have lost even harder. That’s got nothing to do with judaism or zionism or which choice is morally correct or not. That’s just math. You may not agree with them, but thare are more of them than there are of you. By a large margin.

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              You’re still assuming that conditional military aid, needed to end the genocide and begin a permanent ceasefire, is anti-israel. When it would be responsible for saving Israeli lives.

              We know 22% disagree with withholding military aid. Out of the 25% that consider Israel a major policy item that would be 253,000 voters.

              Why are you only including Palestinian Americans when this anti-genocide sentiment is also shared by the overwhelming majority of Arab Americans and Muslim Americans as well as the majority of the general populous?

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                Why are you only including Palestinian Americans when this anti-genocide sentiment is also shared by the overwhelming majority of Arab Americans and Muslim Americans

                Because even if you combine the total Palestinian and Arab/Muslim population, they’re still nowhere close to the Jewish voting population. Again, it’s just simple numbers.

                as well as the majority of the general populous?

                The issue doesn’t even crack the top 10 for them.

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                  It does in the very least in swing states, as the polls show. Yet we see a net positive in both swing states and the general populous with a conditional aid policy.

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                    It does among the affected populations. Which makes sense. But to the average voter without any skin in the game, it didn’t crack the top 10.