You completely glossed over the fact that Ukraine broke two agreements on militarization and neutrality w NATO.
āagreement signed in 1997 between Ukraine and Russia, which fixed the principle of strategic partnership, the recognition of the inviolability of existing borders, and respect for territorial integrity and mutual commitment not to use its territory to harm the security of each other. The treaty prevents Ukraine and Russia from invading one anotherās country respectively, and declaring war.[4] Due to the beginning of the Russo-Ukrainian War in 2014, Ukrainian president Petro Poroshenko signed a decree not to extend the treaty on 19 September 2018.[5] The treaty consequently expired on 31 March 2019.[6][5]ā
Or the Budapest Memorandum, where "The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm their commitment to Ukraine, in accordance with the principles of the Final Act of the Conference on Security and Cooperation in Europe, to respect the independence and sovereignty and the existing borders of Ukraine. "
You ignored the fact that Nazis/far-right nationalists have taken over the government entirely during that point with the aid of U.S institutions
Lol, nothing you have posted would lead me to believe thatās actually true.
Separatists rise up, obviously dissatisfied with the direction of the country at the hand of right-wing nationalists who were banning the russian language (Whom a chunk of the country speaks) and banning opposition parties later on.
Sure, the little green men were totally ukranian separatist and not Igor girkinā¦
Also, yeah when a country invaded you and kills a bunch of your civilians, thereās going to be a bunch of reactionary nationalism.
Russia has its fair share of nationalist Bull shit too.
Ukraine responds by cleansing and bombing the region entirely right on the borders of Russia right after breaking multiple agreements to which I fucking cited and gave you multiple sources
Lol, cleansing? There have been multiple investigations that have proved there was more violence coming from āseparatistā than ukranian.
Itās literally not imperialism. Itās interventionism, sure,
Lol, you sound just like America!
you should know that āimperialismā isnāt when big nation fight small nation. Imperialism is better defined by the fact the United States has an economic stranglehold and hegemony on most of the third world and a military alliance with the developed nations who engage in that exploitation as well.
I see, so only the imperial core can do imperialismā¦ Everything else is just sparkling intervention. So Germany didnāt do any imperialism when they took half of Europe because England was the hegemony of the day? Imperial Japan didnāt do imperialism because they were a peripheral country?
Who has more military bases all over the world? Who controls trade? Who acts as the āWorldās Policeā? Who has the most incarcerated people in the world?
Iām not defending American imperialismā¦ Yeah, they are imperialist, but just because they are a source of human misery doesnāt mean they have an absolute monopoly of violence. It doesnāt mean there canāt be a Nazi Germany and a Japanese empire.
By the fact that theyāre fighting against that hegemony, they are being āanti-imperialistā.
Only if you completely change the understanding of imperialism to the point where you donāt have a definition that isnāt just America.
They arenāt seeking to become a new ācoreā in this instance because of what I mentioned above and in what you replied to that you ignored most of.
Because it a laughable and ignorable pointā¦
Likely, but most of us support China in that sense rather than the kinda support we hand Russia. By the way, most of us critically support Russia.
By regurgitating their propaganda?
ost of us just support the curb-stomping of nazi into the ground as always and the decay of the ācoreā in entirety.
Ukraine isnāt filled with a bunch of Naziā¦ Like any western nation, including Russia, there are reactionary idiots who hate communist and love fascist. That doesnāt mean the entire country is fascist neonazi, the fact that you think there is mind-blowing considering how many ukranians fought the Nazi.
America locked in this, with Israel, with China gives less pressure on exploited nations and a chance for them to break away from U.S hegemony. We are seeing this with BRICS.
Or, it just creates more and more war because people keep supporting far right governments.
I donāt think people understand that global system theory is just theory, and a theory entirely dependent on the continuation of capitalism. If you actually believe in a hegemony as itās written in global systems theory, then it precludes the chance a country like China will ever overthrow it with anything other than another capitalist hegemony.
Iām curious to see your criticisms of China, then.
I donāt like that their SOC are profit seeking entities being ran like private equity?
āLol nothing you posted would actually make me believe that is trueā
You ignored 10+ sources (variety of them too; we got western media, aljazeera, grayzone, etc), two infographics (one that was showing purely the demographic split in Ukraine to back up materially what I said as the material conditions that began the outbreak/seperatists) and a personal account from someone in Russia using the good olā āDa Russian is just making up excuses! Iām Asian so I can speak on Russians like Iām an expert, I find them funny!ā (heavily paraphrasing of course but you arenāt actually comprehending anything Iām saying or something is firing wrong up there) which makes me question your feelings on Russians as a whole.
āSure, the little green men were totally ukranian separatist and not Igor girkinā¦ā
Yeah, none of this happened before ālittle green menā were being reported on by Western media at all. Once again, proof you didnāt read what I said.
āRussia has its fair share of nationalist Bull shit too.ā
Critical support. What is it? You seemingly cannot understand the concept. We donāt support their nationalist bullshit or their government but solely their anti-imperialist actions against the largest hegemony. Second time Iāve repeated this.
āLol, cleansing? There have been multiple investigations that have proved there was more violence coming from āseparatistā than ukranian.ā
Burden of proof. I offered sources, citations, etc. Where is yours on this now? Seems like a very specific, easy to find study. Where is it? I offered multiple citations, I expect multiple. Giddy up.
āI see, so only the imperial core can do imperialismā¦ Everything else is just sparkling intervention. So Germany didnāt do any imperialism when they took half of Europe because England was the hegemony of the day? Imperial Japan didnāt do imperialism because they were a peripheral country?ā
No. You need to re-read what I said and definitely read some Lenin if youāre gonna have bouts with communists. You have no idea what Iām even talking about while ignoring half of it. We donāt have the same definition of āimperialismā not that trying to explain it would matter. We are in the late stage of capitalism. Colonialism and imperialism have taken on new forms. Kings and queens are dead, the church is no longer in power. There is no new āfrontsā to exploit, only nations to control and extract from. The more modern history of interventions in Latin America, control of North Africa and Vietnam by the French (their actions in Africa to this day) and how long England held onto itās colonies are examples of that.
On top of that, you also are repeatedly ignoring my point that it was indeed an intervention: see below.
āWithin days of the February 2014 Euromaidan Revolution that culminated with the ouster of President Viktor Yanukovych and ushered in a firmly pro-Western government, the newly appointed head of the Security Service of Ukraine (SBU), Valentyn Nalyvaichenko, reportedly proposed a āthree-way partnershipā with the CIA and MI6, the UKās foreign intelligence service. Ukrainian security officials gradually proved their value to the U.S. by feeding the CIA intelligence on Russia, including āsecret documents about the Russian Navy,ā leading to the establishment of CIA bases in Ukraine to coordinate activities against Russia and various training programs for Ukrainian commandos and other elite units.ā
Youāre literally brain-dead if you think western intervention hasnāt been going on in Ukraine before Maidan/leading up to Maidan and before even separatists and ālittle green menā. Not to mention the worlds leading hegemonyās intelligence agency has a fucking history of this. Literally in almost every nation. Operation Gladio, for example. Normally, there would be no proof or very little proof in declassified documents but if youāre going to ignore a C.I.A asset being placed into the new government days after itās inception and also ignore the fact that they literally invited the intelligence apparatus in then I literally cannot help you understand a single thing Iām saying. You have three other stupid fucking idiots who agree with this stupid shit. Combine that with right-wing nationalist take-over that HISTORICALLY was the kind of organization the C.I.A funded (Contras, for example) you would have reasonable conditions for separatists to revolt. Even if they did do āmore damageā why the fuck would I care when theyāre fighting against a C.I.A-backed right-wing nationalist government? Like are you listening to yourself?
āIām not defending American imperialismā¦ Yeah, they are imperialist, but just because they are a source of human misery doesnāt mean they have an absolute monopoly of violence. It doesnāt mean there canāt be a Nazi Germany and a Japanese empire.ā
They do have a monopoly on violence because America has the most military bases around the world, has the largest record of interventions/military actions (compared to the one Russia is being demonized for) and completely controls the financial levers of most of the world through the petrodollar. Russia is in Syria and Africa with small mercenary contingents/PMC groups. America has literal military bases strapped with fighters, bombers and garrisons in almost every country. Sometimes multiple. A good chunk right on the border of ādomestic enemiesā. You saying there ācanāt be a nazi germany or japanā too is essentially graying out the scales of actual, material power these nations have. Russia isnāt nearly as big of a threat as the United States. The United States has a far larger death toll on it than Russia has. Iraq, Afghanistan, Laos, Cambodia, Vietnam, Latin American interventions; I can keep going! But yeah, we should really be vexing over Russia right now and condemning them instead of seeing Ukraine for what it actually is.
Youāre regurgitating their propaganda and taking their views established by the U.S State department. There is no ācritical supportā. You really believe everything the U.S and Ukraine says about Russia, donāt you? I have yet to see a difference.
āOnly if you completely change the understanding of imperialism to the point where you donāt have a definition that isnāt just America.ā
Unironically what youāre doing as youāve seemingly never read Lenin. Youāre on a Marxist-Leninist board. Your definition of Imperialism is rooted, repeatedly by what you type, in the definitions of mid-1800s geopolitics. We use Lenin. Itās fine not to believe in it, but I can actually ignore what you say on imperialism because you arenāt even engaging with what the actual theory says. Which is something I see repeating; I will engage with you and actually talk your points down and explain my positions further. You repeatedly have gone āNuh-uh. Nope. What sources? I donāt believe them.ā in out-right rejection. Typical liberal left-com bullshit.
āBy regurgitating their propaganda?ā
What propaganda? Every nation has propaganda. Some of it is more true than others. Let me guess, you think China is a giant sweatshop of a gorillion billion people all slaving away to make iphone? Yeah, propaganda. Yeah, typical left-com position. Do you understand how their economy works? Their provincial system?
āUkraine isnāt filled with a bunch of Naziā¦ Like any western nation, including Russia, there are reactionary idiots who hate communist and love fascist. That doesnāt mean the entire country is fascist neonazi, the fact that you think there is mind-blowing considering how many ukranians fought the Nazi.ā
My person in Christ they removed Lenin statues and replaced them with Bandera. I pointed out western intervention. notfromkaliningrad pointed out how they banned communist parties and the Russian language. There are slews of pictures, from BOTH sides of Ukrainian soldiers having Nazi tattoos beyond just āAzovā. The difference between Russia and Ukraine on that part is that one group of Nazis has support from the global hegemonās intelligence agency. The other is a PMC group that got liquidated. Sure is a difference in how they treat them; not that Russia is justified either. Once again, critical support. Something you keep tossing to the side.
"Or, it just creates more and more war because people keep supporting far right governments.
I donāt think people understand that global system theory is just theory, and a theory entirely dependent on the continuation of capitalism. If you actually believe in a hegemony as itās written in global systems theory, then it precludes the chance a country like China will ever overthrow it with anything other than another capitalist hegemony."
Because China isnāt a capitalist country; the entire private industry is completely locked in and guarded by a literal vanguard party that controls the profit-seeking for the building of productive forces to serve national interests. Dictatorship of the proletariat. That is why their people are experiencing monumental increases in quality of life in the past 50-60 years compared to the United States and are leading in academic submissions/technological standards compared to the west as well as manufacturing. Their economy continues to grow and has been growing for years straight with only small hiccups. Do you know what Dengism is?
You ignored 10+ sources (variety of them too; we got western media, aljazeera, grayzone, etc), two infographics (one that was showing purely the demographic split in Ukraine to back up materially what I said as the material conditions that began the outbreak/seperatists)
Lol, because they arenāt supportive of your argument. Itās always the same tactics, just add an overwhelming amount of titles that seem to support your argument and hope the person doesnāt actually read them.
When you do actually read the sources, which I doubt you have, as several of them are brokenā¦ They donāt actually support the overall argument. The first source is a great example. You are claiming that there is a huge neonazi problem, when in reality the article reports that the far right party wasnāt even able to get the needed 5% of votes to become part of their parliament. Which is ironic, because Russias far right party has nearly 8% of the vote.
Other articles are critical of some of Ukraineās far right treatment of lgbtq community, which is valid. However, itās still a step up from Russia where itās fucking illegal.
āDa Russian is just making up excuses! Iām Asian so I can speak on Russians like Iām an expert, I find them funny!ā (heavily paraphrasing of course but you arenāt actually comprehending anything Iām saying or something is firing wrong up there) which makes me question your feelings on Russians as a whole.
Lol, I guess I hit a nerve with the whole not being white thing. What I said is that I think itās funny they consider themselves easternā¦ I think being actually eastern may have something to do with that.
Yeah, none of this happened before ālittle green menā were being reported on by Western media at all. Once again, proof you didnāt read what I said.
So if it didnāt happen before Girkinā¦ Then that should leave you to believe Girkin may have had something to do with it? Or do we just not follow logic anymore?
Critical support. What is it? You seemingly cannot understand the concept.
their anti-imperialist actions against the largest hegemony. Second time Iāve repeated this.
Again, what theory leads you to believe that supporting right winged nationalist is an act of anti-imperialism? Are you coming up with this yourself? Any leftist philosopher or historical accounts that support this view?
Burden of proof. I offered sources, citations, etc.
Lol, you offered a small article that didnāt mention ethnic cleansing. Claiming things like burglary and political kidnapping were equivalent to ethnic cleansing.
But here ya go āFollowing the invasion, Ukraine brought a case before the International Court of Justice (ICJ) to challenge Russiaās accusation. During the proceedings of Ukraine v. Russian Federation, the ICJ said it had found no evidence of genocide. The International Association of Genocide Scholars also rejected Russiaās accusation.[2] Further reports by 30 legal and genocide scholars warned that Russiaās accusations are part of the āaccusation in a mirrorā technique, ultimately revealing the Russian incitement to commit genocide against Ukrainiansā.
In the references, thereās about 25 different sources you are free to pick through.
. You need to re-read what I said and definitely read some Lenin if youāre gonna have bouts with communists. You have no idea what Iām even talking about while ignoring half of it.
Lol, Ive read plenty of lenin. Just because I disagree with your interpretation of how to fight against imperialism doesnāt mean I can the a socialist.
We donāt have the same definition of āimperialismā not that trying to explain it would matter.
Yeah, something that come across quite a bit with arm chair communist is that their definition of imperialism changes based on their immediate need.
Lenins definition of imperialism actually included a competition of the great powers, leading to the domination of their less economically advanced neighbors. Which describes the situation in Ukraine pretty well to me.
Now please, tell me about the definition of imperialism that precludes imperial competition, or that flames there is only one great nation.
āWithin days of the February 2014 Euromaidan Revolution that culminated with the ouster of President Viktor Yanukovych and ushered in a firmly pro-Western government, the newly appointed head of the Security Service of Ukraine (SBU), Valentyn Nalyvaichenko, reportedly proposed a āthree-way partnershipā with the CIA and MI6, the UKās foreign intelligence service. Ukrainian security officials gradually proved their value to the U.S. by feeding the CIA intelligence on Russia, including āsecret documents about the Russian Navy,ā leading to the establishment of CIA bases in Ukraine to coordinate activities against Russia and various training programs for Ukrainian commandos and other elite units.ā
Lol, this is the article that causes multiple people to quit this particular think tank because "Cirincione said he āfundamentallyā disagrees with Quincy experts who ācompletely ignore the dangers and the horrors of Russiaās invasion and occupation and focus almost exclusively on criticism of the United States, NATO, and Ukraineā.
The article is proposing that a gladios style CIA project from the 40ā is basically responsible for installing the new government. In reality the nationalist party that that project did support isnāt even popular, it literally only got 1.6% of the vote in 2019.
Youāre literally brain-dead if you think western intervention hasnāt been going on in Ukraine before Maidan/leading up to Maidan and before even separatists and ālittle green menā.
And you are brain dead to think that Russia hasnāt been intervening in their government and economics since the country came into independence.
Just because the CIA has officers basically everywhere doesnāt mean that they are responsible for everything that happens in the country. Itās pretty easy to imagine why ukranians wanted to eid themselves of Russian oligarchs controlling so much of their means of production.
They do have a monopoly on violence because America has the most military bases around the world, has the largest record of interventions/military actions (compared to the one Russia is being demonized for) and completely controls the financial levers of most of the world through the petrodollar.
Lol, again. I said total monopoly. The fact that you admit Russia is doing the same but on a smaller scale is my point. I can admit they are both horrible, while you are stuck defending imperialism.
Also if America has complet control of the financial levers of the entire world the Russian economy wouldnāt be able to go on the war front.
Russia is in Syria and Africa with small mercenary contingents/PMC groups. America has literal military bases
Not to mention the separatist colonies theyāve been militaraly supporting all over eastern Europeā¦
America has literal military bases strapped with fighters, bombers and garrisons in almost every country. Sometimes multiple.
And that is badā¦ therefore another great power doing the same to economically disadvaged countries isā¦also bad.
Youāre regurgitating their propaganda and taking their views established by the U.S State department. There is no ācritical supportā. You really believe everything the U.S and Ukraine says about Russia, donāt you? I have yet to see a difference.
Why would I even critically support a right winged nationalist country? My support goes to the people defending their homeland from an invasion thatās killed tens of thousands of people.
Plus, itās not like many countries have really whole heatedly defended the reasons behind Russias invasion anyways.
Your definition of Imperialism is rooted, repeatedly by what you type, in the definitions of mid-1800s geopolitics. We use Lenin.
Lol, lenin didnāt talk about imperial cores or a conflict with an overwhelming hegemony that validates empowering right winged nationalist. His definition literally talks about competition between Great nations duking it out to exploit less powerful countries.
You need to read some lenin yourself it seems.
person in Christ they removed Lenin statues and replaced them with Bandera.
And liberals in America tore down statues of the Confederacyā¦ Does that mean Americaās no longer racist? There are better metrics to measure the popularity of right winged extremists, you are ignoring them because it suits your narrative.
There are slews of pictures, from BOTH sides of Ukrainian soldiers having Nazi tattoos beyond just āAzovā.
And there are plenty of Russian ultras that have the same Nazi tattoos. Itās almost like right winged nationalist reactionary groups are common in post soviet states.
one group of Nazis has support from the global hegemonās intelligence agency. The other is a PMC group that got liquidated.
Lol, by that definition both groups have been liquidated.
Once again, critical support. Something you keep tossing to the side.
I donāt think you understand what critical support meansā¦
Because China isnāt a capitalist country; the entire private industry is completely locked in and guarded by a literal vanguard party that controls the profit-seeking for the building of productive forces to serve national interests.
My dude, Iām not saying that global systems theory is correct. You are. You are utiliIng the theory to promote the idea that any attack on the imperial core is anti-imperialism.
My point is that the person who invented global systems theory doesnāt believe in socialism in regards to global economy. The idea of an imperial core is reliant on all nations participating in global trade with self interest being the number one priority.
āagreement signed in 1997 between Ukraine and Russia, which fixed the principle of strategic partnership, the recognition of the inviolability of existing borders, and respect for territorial integrity and mutual commitment not to use its territory to harm the security of each other. The treaty prevents Ukraine and Russia from invading one anotherās country respectively, and declaring war.[4] Due to the beginning of the Russo-Ukrainian War in 2014, Ukrainian president Petro Poroshenko signed a decree not to extend the treaty on 19 September 2018.[5] The treaty consequently expired on 31 March 2019.[6][5]ā
Or the Budapest Memorandum, where "The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm their commitment to Ukraine, in accordance with the principles of the Final Act of the Conference on Security and Cooperation in Europe, to respect the independence and sovereignty and the existing borders of Ukraine. "
Lol, nothing you have posted would lead me to believe thatās actually true.
Sure, the little green men were totally ukranian separatist and not Igor girkinā¦
Also, yeah when a country invaded you and kills a bunch of your civilians, thereās going to be a bunch of reactionary nationalism.
Russia has its fair share of nationalist Bull shit too.
Lol, cleansing? There have been multiple investigations that have proved there was more violence coming from āseparatistā than ukranian.
Lol, you sound just like America!
I see, so only the imperial core can do imperialismā¦ Everything else is just sparkling intervention. So Germany didnāt do any imperialism when they took half of Europe because England was the hegemony of the day? Imperial Japan didnāt do imperialism because they were a peripheral country?
Iām not defending American imperialismā¦ Yeah, they are imperialist, but just because they are a source of human misery doesnāt mean they have an absolute monopoly of violence. It doesnāt mean there canāt be a Nazi Germany and a Japanese empire.
Only if you completely change the understanding of imperialism to the point where you donāt have a definition that isnāt just America.
Because it a laughable and ignorable pointā¦
By regurgitating their propaganda?
Ukraine isnāt filled with a bunch of Naziā¦ Like any western nation, including Russia, there are reactionary idiots who hate communist and love fascist. That doesnāt mean the entire country is fascist neonazi, the fact that you think there is mind-blowing considering how many ukranians fought the Nazi.
Or, it just creates more and more war because people keep supporting far right governments.
I donāt think people understand that global system theory is just theory, and a theory entirely dependent on the continuation of capitalism. If you actually believe in a hegemony as itās written in global systems theory, then it precludes the chance a country like China will ever overthrow it with anything other than another capitalist hegemony.
I donāt like that their SOC are profit seeking entities being ran like private equity?
Youāre a fucking idiot.
āLol nothing you posted would actually make me believe that is trueā
You ignored 10+ sources (variety of them too; we got western media, aljazeera, grayzone, etc), two infographics (one that was showing purely the demographic split in Ukraine to back up materially what I said as the material conditions that began the outbreak/seperatists) and a personal account from someone in Russia using the good olā āDa Russian is just making up excuses! Iām Asian so I can speak on Russians like Iām an expert, I find them funny!ā (heavily paraphrasing of course but you arenāt actually comprehending anything Iām saying or something is firing wrong up there) which makes me question your feelings on Russians as a whole.
āSure, the little green men were totally ukranian separatist and not Igor girkinā¦ā Yeah, none of this happened before ālittle green menā were being reported on by Western media at all. Once again, proof you didnāt read what I said.
āRussia has its fair share of nationalist Bull shit too.ā Critical support. What is it? You seemingly cannot understand the concept. We donāt support their nationalist bullshit or their government but solely their anti-imperialist actions against the largest hegemony. Second time Iāve repeated this.
āLol, cleansing? There have been multiple investigations that have proved there was more violence coming from āseparatistā than ukranian.ā
Burden of proof. I offered sources, citations, etc. Where is yours on this now? Seems like a very specific, easy to find study. Where is it? I offered multiple citations, I expect multiple. Giddy up.
āI see, so only the imperial core can do imperialismā¦ Everything else is just sparkling intervention. So Germany didnāt do any imperialism when they took half of Europe because England was the hegemony of the day? Imperial Japan didnāt do imperialism because they were a peripheral country?ā
No. You need to re-read what I said and definitely read some Lenin if youāre gonna have bouts with communists. You have no idea what Iām even talking about while ignoring half of it. We donāt have the same definition of āimperialismā not that trying to explain it would matter. We are in the late stage of capitalism. Colonialism and imperialism have taken on new forms. Kings and queens are dead, the church is no longer in power. There is no new āfrontsā to exploit, only nations to control and extract from. The more modern history of interventions in Latin America, control of North Africa and Vietnam by the French (their actions in Africa to this day) and how long England held onto itās colonies are examples of that.
On top of that, you also are repeatedly ignoring my point that it was indeed an intervention: see below.
https://responsiblestatecraft.org/cia-ukraine-russia cia.gov/readingroom/docs/AERODYNAMIC VOL. 1_0113.pdf
āWithin days of the February 2014 Euromaidan Revolution that culminated with the ouster of President Viktor Yanukovych and ushered in a firmly pro-Western government, the newly appointed head of the Security Service of Ukraine (SBU), Valentyn Nalyvaichenko, reportedly proposed a āthree-way partnershipā with the CIA and MI6, the UKās foreign intelligence service. Ukrainian security officials gradually proved their value to the U.S. by feeding the CIA intelligence on Russia, including āsecret documents about the Russian Navy,ā leading to the establishment of CIA bases in Ukraine to coordinate activities against Russia and various training programs for Ukrainian commandos and other elite units.ā
Youāre literally brain-dead if you think western intervention hasnāt been going on in Ukraine before Maidan/leading up to Maidan and before even separatists and ālittle green menā. Not to mention the worlds leading hegemonyās intelligence agency has a fucking history of this. Literally in almost every nation. Operation Gladio, for example. Normally, there would be no proof or very little proof in declassified documents but if youāre going to ignore a C.I.A asset being placed into the new government days after itās inception and also ignore the fact that they literally invited the intelligence apparatus in then I literally cannot help you understand a single thing Iām saying. You have three other stupid fucking idiots who agree with this stupid shit. Combine that with right-wing nationalist take-over that HISTORICALLY was the kind of organization the C.I.A funded (Contras, for example) you would have reasonable conditions for separatists to revolt. Even if they did do āmore damageā why the fuck would I care when theyāre fighting against a C.I.A-backed right-wing nationalist government? Like are you listening to yourself?
āIām not defending American imperialismā¦ Yeah, they are imperialist, but just because they are a source of human misery doesnāt mean they have an absolute monopoly of violence. It doesnāt mean there canāt be a Nazi Germany and a Japanese empire.ā
They do have a monopoly on violence because America has the most military bases around the world, has the largest record of interventions/military actions (compared to the one Russia is being demonized for) and completely controls the financial levers of most of the world through the petrodollar. Russia is in Syria and Africa with small mercenary contingents/PMC groups. America has literal military bases strapped with fighters, bombers and garrisons in almost every country. Sometimes multiple. A good chunk right on the border of ādomestic enemiesā. You saying there ācanāt be a nazi germany or japanā too is essentially graying out the scales of actual, material power these nations have. Russia isnāt nearly as big of a threat as the United States. The United States has a far larger death toll on it than Russia has. Iraq, Afghanistan, Laos, Cambodia, Vietnam, Latin American interventions; I can keep going! But yeah, we should really be vexing over Russia right now and condemning them instead of seeing Ukraine for what it actually is.
Youāre regurgitating their propaganda and taking their views established by the U.S State department. There is no ācritical supportā. You really believe everything the U.S and Ukraine says about Russia, donāt you? I have yet to see a difference.
āOnly if you completely change the understanding of imperialism to the point where you donāt have a definition that isnāt just America.ā
Unironically what youāre doing as youāve seemingly never read Lenin. Youāre on a Marxist-Leninist board. Your definition of Imperialism is rooted, repeatedly by what you type, in the definitions of mid-1800s geopolitics. We use Lenin. Itās fine not to believe in it, but I can actually ignore what you say on imperialism because you arenāt even engaging with what the actual theory says. Which is something I see repeating; I will engage with you and actually talk your points down and explain my positions further. You repeatedly have gone āNuh-uh. Nope. What sources? I donāt believe them.ā in out-right rejection. Typical liberal left-com bullshit.
āBy regurgitating their propaganda?ā
What propaganda? Every nation has propaganda. Some of it is more true than others. Let me guess, you think China is a giant sweatshop of a gorillion billion people all slaving away to make iphone? Yeah, propaganda. Yeah, typical left-com position. Do you understand how their economy works? Their provincial system?
āUkraine isnāt filled with a bunch of Naziā¦ Like any western nation, including Russia, there are reactionary idiots who hate communist and love fascist. That doesnāt mean the entire country is fascist neonazi, the fact that you think there is mind-blowing considering how many ukranians fought the Nazi.ā
My person in Christ they removed Lenin statues and replaced them with Bandera. I pointed out western intervention. notfromkaliningrad pointed out how they banned communist parties and the Russian language. There are slews of pictures, from BOTH sides of Ukrainian soldiers having Nazi tattoos beyond just āAzovā. The difference between Russia and Ukraine on that part is that one group of Nazis has support from the global hegemonās intelligence agency. The other is a PMC group that got liquidated. Sure is a difference in how they treat them; not that Russia is justified either. Once again, critical support. Something you keep tossing to the side.
"Or, it just creates more and more war because people keep supporting far right governments.
I donāt think people understand that global system theory is just theory, and a theory entirely dependent on the continuation of capitalism. If you actually believe in a hegemony as itās written in global systems theory, then it precludes the chance a country like China will ever overthrow it with anything other than another capitalist hegemony."
Because China isnāt a capitalist country; the entire private industry is completely locked in and guarded by a literal vanguard party that controls the profit-seeking for the building of productive forces to serve national interests. Dictatorship of the proletariat. That is why their people are experiencing monumental increases in quality of life in the past 50-60 years compared to the United States and are leading in academic submissions/technological standards compared to the west as well as manufacturing. Their economy continues to grow and has been growing for years straight with only small hiccups. Do you know what Dengism is?
Lol, because they arenāt supportive of your argument. Itās always the same tactics, just add an overwhelming amount of titles that seem to support your argument and hope the person doesnāt actually read them.
When you do actually read the sources, which I doubt you have, as several of them are brokenā¦ They donāt actually support the overall argument. The first source is a great example. You are claiming that there is a huge neonazi problem, when in reality the article reports that the far right party wasnāt even able to get the needed 5% of votes to become part of their parliament. Which is ironic, because Russias far right party has nearly 8% of the vote.
Other articles are critical of some of Ukraineās far right treatment of lgbtq community, which is valid. However, itās still a step up from Russia where itās fucking illegal.
Lol, I guess I hit a nerve with the whole not being white thing. What I said is that I think itās funny they consider themselves easternā¦ I think being actually eastern may have something to do with that.
So if it didnāt happen before Girkinā¦ Then that should leave you to believe Girkin may have had something to do with it? Or do we just not follow logic anymore?
Havenāt really heard anything criticalā¦ Youāre just supporting nationalist propaganda whole heatedly.
Again, what theory leads you to believe that supporting right winged nationalist is an act of anti-imperialism? Are you coming up with this yourself? Any leftist philosopher or historical accounts that support this view?
Lol, you offered a small article that didnāt mention ethnic cleansing. Claiming things like burglary and political kidnapping were equivalent to ethnic cleansing.
But here ya go āFollowing the invasion, Ukraine brought a case before the International Court of Justice (ICJ) to challenge Russiaās accusation. During the proceedings of Ukraine v. Russian Federation, the ICJ said it had found no evidence of genocide. The International Association of Genocide Scholars also rejected Russiaās accusation.[2] Further reports by 30 legal and genocide scholars warned that Russiaās accusations are part of the āaccusation in a mirrorā technique, ultimately revealing the Russian incitement to commit genocide against Ukrainiansā.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine_v._Russian_Federation_(2022)
In the references, thereās about 25 different sources you are free to pick through.
Lol, Ive read plenty of lenin. Just because I disagree with your interpretation of how to fight against imperialism doesnāt mean I can the a socialist.
Yeah, something that come across quite a bit with arm chair communist is that their definition of imperialism changes based on their immediate need.
Lenins definition of imperialism actually included a competition of the great powers, leading to the domination of their less economically advanced neighbors. Which describes the situation in Ukraine pretty well to me.
Now please, tell me about the definition of imperialism that precludes imperial competition, or that flames there is only one great nation.
Lol, this is the article that causes multiple people to quit this particular think tank because "Cirincione said he āfundamentallyā disagrees with Quincy experts who ācompletely ignore the dangers and the horrors of Russiaās invasion and occupation and focus almost exclusively on criticism of the United States, NATO, and Ukraineā.
The article is proposing that a gladios style CIA project from the 40ā is basically responsible for installing the new government. In reality the nationalist party that that project did support isnāt even popular, it literally only got 1.6% of the vote in 2019.
And you are brain dead to think that Russia hasnāt been intervening in their government and economics since the country came into independence.
Just because the CIA has officers basically everywhere doesnāt mean that they are responsible for everything that happens in the country. Itās pretty easy to imagine why ukranians wanted to eid themselves of Russian oligarchs controlling so much of their means of production.
Lol, again. I said total monopoly. The fact that you admit Russia is doing the same but on a smaller scale is my point. I can admit they are both horrible, while you are stuck defending imperialism.
Also if America has complet control of the financial levers of the entire world the Russian economy wouldnāt be able to go on the war front.
Not to mention the separatist colonies theyāve been militaraly supporting all over eastern Europeā¦
And that is badā¦ therefore another great power doing the same to economically disadvaged countries isā¦also bad.
Why would I even critically support a right winged nationalist country? My support goes to the people defending their homeland from an invasion thatās killed tens of thousands of people.
Plus, itās not like many countries have really whole heatedly defended the reasons behind Russias invasion anyways.
Lol, lenin didnāt talk about imperial cores or a conflict with an overwhelming hegemony that validates empowering right winged nationalist. His definition literally talks about competition between Great nations duking it out to exploit less powerful countries.
You need to read some lenin yourself it seems.
And liberals in America tore down statues of the Confederacyā¦ Does that mean Americaās no longer racist? There are better metrics to measure the popularity of right winged extremists, you are ignoring them because it suits your narrative.
And there are plenty of Russian ultras that have the same Nazi tattoos. Itās almost like right winged nationalist reactionary groups are common in post soviet states.
Lol, by that definition both groups have been liquidated.
I donāt think you understand what critical support meansā¦
My dude, Iām not saying that global systems theory is correct. You are. You are utiliIng the theory to promote the idea that any attack on the imperial core is anti-imperialism.
My point is that the person who invented global systems theory doesnāt believe in socialism in regards to global economy. The idea of an imperial core is reliant on all nations participating in global trade with self interest being the number one priority.