• testfactor@lemmy.world
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    2 months ago

    Fun fact, whether this meme is pro-Israel or pro-Palestine is 100% decided by what date you consider the “start” of the Israeli/Palestinian conflict.

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      2 months ago

      The history around Gaza and Israel is long and super complicated. The “they hit me first” gets really fucking dumb after like 10 rounds. That’s why most people in the west don’t support the war, they support leaving people alone. Either the gazans or the Israelites.

      War is the ultimate singularity. It’s a black hole that sucks up everyone and everything and there’s literally no positive to it. So if you have a say in it, the only way to cause less tragedy is to stop it.

      On that note, fuck the Hamas for attacking Israel at the festival, and fuck Israel for escalating this into another war.

        • Billy@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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          Hamas is a branch of the Muslim Brotherhood. It wasn’t “invented” by Israel. And Israel didn’t fund them, but it’s true that Bibi let Qatar money reach Hamas when he could’ve blocked it.
          The belief among some of the ones who supported that, was that better conditions of life in Gaza would prevent them from going to another war - An article about it from 2015

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            Mhhh yes which is why israel systematically blocks aid from entering Gaza and the humanitarian catastrophe and restrictions on aid only got worse over the years. Surely israel tried to help Gaza by instead of letting in food, give money to Hamas. this makes perfect sense now.

            NPR is straight up Zionist propaganda.

            • Billy@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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              Hamas was the government of Gaza. You couldn’t get anything in there without it getting through Hamas anyway.
              They sure managed to get a lot of weapons and rockets in there, and enough building materials for massive underground tunnels.

              And your dear Al-Jazeera has an article from 2017 that says Qatari money actually did help Gaza Analysts: Qatar supports Gaza not Hamas
              Are they also Zionist propaganda now?

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      can i be pro-both, anti-genocide, and think that both of their ruling parties are fucked to shit

      I think that much be a popular opinion but WTF is happening there

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        Hamas’s entire goal is to kill all Jews, and take Israel back for themselves (“river to the sea”).

        What do people think is going to happen if Israel just stops? Another Oct. 7th. At what point do people need to address this fact?

        EDIT: Some of y’all should read a Qur’an sometime.

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    No because, Luke blew up a war ship literally trying to kill him.

    The Rabbi’s folk are committing genocide on women and children…

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    Fuck that post. It puts even more gasoline into the fire. Break out of the circle of hatred. Stop the war!

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      The problem is it can be just as easily interpreted either way. It should seem to most of us to say, ‘destroying homes creates more martyrs,’ but I’m sure half the people will interpret it as, ‘unprovoked attack deserves indiscriminate retaliation.’ In that, it does a surprisingly good job of encapsulating how complicated the whole thing is…

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        That was kind of my issue. Reading this doesn’t make it clear who’s PoV we have here.

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        I dont see how it is complicated. There were people living on a land. Another people came to steal it and started the violence. Since then it committed far more violence while being armed and supported by another imperial entity that wants those people to keep destabilizing their region to prevent the development of a stable regional power that could leverage its resources and strategic position appropriately.