I was in an incident that led to people complaining about me here and by extension in Ask Lemmy, one which I explained my perspective on elsewhere. Then, when sharing my perspective, I was asked by a certain Blaze to share it in YPTB, only for those in charge there to give what amounted to a signal of disregard for it and to take it elsewhere. Going by their own words, I then shared it in !fediverselore@lemmy.ca as the only close alternative available, which, as a part of their own ā€œrules subtextā€, sometimes allows this, and the person, if not all of those who help with YPTB, proceeded to drop by anyways and scold me because ā€œYTPB has specific posting guidelines in the sidebarā€.

The implication here is false, at least by my definition of the word ā€œfalseā€, and he even alluded to that after it began to be discussed elaborately, albeit before using an appeal to the masses (story of my life) and say ā€œmost people seem to understandā€, which ignores consensus of me and the aforementioned Blaze (as much as the ā€œthe truth we all wanted to speakā€ remark ignores not everyone had that issue). Notice how I responded with ā€œI can spot rules broken by the other personā€™s thread more easily than I can spot rules broken by mineā€ and got only thumbs down for it and no responses, yet when I actually dissected the rules piece by piece in front of him to point out that any rule I supposedly broke wasnā€™t there, which even the person who recommended I make the discussion in the first place (the aforementioned Blaze) agreed was a ā€œfair point to be honestā€, the mod then delved into the concept of ā€œunspoken rulesā€ as an excuse for himself and said he didnā€™t want to ā€œrules-lawyerā€, which not only disproves what he said about ā€œspecific posting guidelinesā€ being ā€œin the sidebarā€ that supposedly explained what I did wrong, but proved a point I commonly mention about people in different places including here always being uncritical and unwilling to see things for themselves and just taking peoplesā€™ word for things (and about that, to respond to Cypherā€™s last reply, intellectual =/= intelligent). A part of that is it also suggests, by extension, that the quantity of thumbs down you garner is unreliable as consistently meaning anything, unless the rule is actually to apply gladiator logic and say a thumbs down signals mercy, as indicated by the very Roman-esque culture around here. I guess all this time, I was being praised and didnā€™t realize it?

This idea of ā€œunspoken rulesā€ and ā€œreading between the linesā€ seems to be a common theme here because everyone seems to think that concept is valid, and they think that whether youā€™re akin to an outcast is defined by the norms you follow. This makes me curious to askā€¦ hypothetically, if I get all PTB gradings from everyone because I couldnā€™t read the ā€œunspoken rulesā€ or anticipate mod discretion, what if I were to go to the places I have authority over and ban everyone who says or has said anything positive or supportive about Luigi Mangione or what he did? Would I be able to accomplish this without being called a PTB? After all, that is how this all started, and again, that would be an ā€œunspoken ruleā€ on its own that can be chalked up to mod discretion, now wouldnā€™t it? Those are the terms.

I await your choice.

  • TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world
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    Barely trying and then refusing to engage with people litterally interested in understanding you is basically intentionally failing. If I had to warrant a guess, would guess that this kind of self sabotaging behavior is part of a broader pattern.

    ā€œBoo hoo nobody gets me šŸ˜­. No I wonā€™t explain my issues or out out effort to meet the (very mild) requests of those interested in offering support. The world is against me.!ā€

    • Call me Lenny/Leni@lemm.eeOP
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      refusing to engage with people litterally interested in understanding you

      Iā€™ve been the one asking which parts people donā€™t understand, ready to paraphrase, and I have, but there was only one time when someone genuinely answered instead of leaving the question alone except to give thumbs down.

      If I were to ask you questions like ā€œwhat parts donā€™t you understandā€ or ā€œcan you give me what stands outā€, what would your answer be? For those who donā€™t have one, there you go. Iā€™m the one trying to work with everyone, most people here have just shunned even that, sometimes saying nothing and something responding with ā€œboo hooā€ sentences like that (for the record, ā€œthe worldā€ isnā€™t against me, in fact Iā€™m in several of the mod-exclusive servers and they are complimenting my stance/approachā€¦ as opposed to hysteric laypeople).

      Do you see me resorting to jabs? Would it be a reach to guess that, in your words, this behavior is a part of a broader pattern?