• Cosmonauticus@lemmy.world
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    18 hours ago

    To everyone calling them stupid. What exactly should they have done in this situation? What is the better solution when your only options are death or a faster death?

    Im genuinely asking

    • corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca
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      16 hours ago

      your only options are death or a faster death?

      1. It’s a binary choice
      2. One’s less bad
      3. Do math

      If you need to hold your nose to make the choice to prevent a worse alternative, then you hold your nose and make the choice that prevents a worse alternative.

      No one said it’s an easy choice. But it’s a simple choice. Don’t confuse Easy with Simple because it’s a hard, hard binary choice.

      And this was explained, so, so so, so-so, so many times.

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      16 hours ago

      Vote blue and send huge amounts of letters and phone calls to your Congress people telling them to stop supporting this. Run new candidates under the Democratic party that push them further left.

      Sounds impossible? Yes. People were force fed propaganda and gave up this election, because its a hard choice. There is no easy route. Its either revolution or try to change a party to something better. There is no option 3.

      People told the centrists, I told my friends for fucks sake. I know someone who stayed home saying their vote didn’t matter and both sides are evil. I told them that is a vote for Trump.

      They were right. Their vote didn’t matter because trump won by a landslide in our state. But what if they, and thousands of their compatriots, weren’t force fed propaganda on Facebook and TV?

      The republicans won because of coordinated attacks that presented centrists with multiple trolley problems. I held out hope until the end, but I should have known what was going to happen when some reasonably intelligent people fell for it.

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        16 hours ago

        So RIP to potentially competitive down ballot races that their liberal vote could have helped. Judges, city council, prosecutors, etc

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      16 hours ago

      Slower death with the ability to continue advocacy and refugee work.

      Slower death means more people escape while peace talks occur. More people will die now, at an increased rate.

      Rather than Israel getting some, insufficient but existing friction, they now have completely free reign

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      17 hours ago

      The options appears to have been

      Get bombed but afterwards the survivors get to stay in their homeland.

      Or

      Get bombed and afterwards the survivors are ethnically cleansed and their homeland becomes a US/Israel resort.

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            14 hours ago

            The best way to ensure a politician who supports a cause comes along is to support politicians unconditionally whether they support it or not.

            And the people who think that genuinely think it’s the rest of us who are stupid lmao

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                My apologies, I must have misunderstood.

                In that case, the best way to ensure a politician who supports a certain cause comes along is to conditionally support politicians only when they support said cause.

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          Do you want the genocide that will take a century, or the genocide that will take a few weeks to months.

          The lefts goal is to stop the genocide, in either scenario, but it seems like a much harder thing to do under the latter option.

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          16 hours ago

          Slower means more people are alive. More time for change.

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      16 hours ago

      they could have shut up and never expressed emotion or dissent at the deplorable level of dignity stripping they were subject to.

      that’s the genuine answer. that’s what white liberals would have preferred.

      and now they are getting shouted down by those liberals for still advocating for their own rights. many still even voted harris. it’s truly heartbreaking. america is so racist even the rise of fascism is blamed on brown people.