Yes, no

I truly do not think Americans will ever revolt in a way that overthrows capitalism. They will just descend into barbarism. The way I see it going is not much different than Nazi Germany but far less competently and they won’t have to hide the atrocities. This is the way I personally see it.

The descent into fascism kicks up. The “conservatives” salivate and scream in joy as minorities of all walks get put into camps. Liberals feign outrage but also they laugh and scream at stories of “this Latino voted for Trump, now she’s sad because she being raped to death in a camp.” This shits all over reddit.

Mixed into the fold will be true left leaning people and LGBTQ+. Only the liberals will change their tune. They will say “guess you should have voted for Biden harder. You deserve death for not supporting the blue genocider fascist.” While still laughing at the " leopards are my face" meme subreddit.

This part I assume is a definite. The next bit is some unknowns but I feel most just turns into absolute barbarism.

If the US collapses from within, I’ll be just fascist infighting and devil e to barbarism. The American populace is simply too far gone, too propagandized and stupid, to do a socialism. It’ll be every man for themselves. They will rip themselves apart because the only people that hates Americans more that people outside America, are other Americans. We HATE each other. They will never work together for a common good. The ones that would will be long dead in a mass grave. Those that are left will be the ones that cheered it on.

If, on the other hand, the US goes to war, and the world fights back, nukes will probably fly. So it’ll probably be the end of human civilization. If by some miracle it’s not, I think the US will lose a major confrontation. This is actually the only hope of socialism taking hold, assuming China takes a major part in control of the broken nation. If they don’t and leave us to our own devices… It’ll just be more barbarism.

There other options I can imagine besides these but realistically, I do not see many options that involve the US populace itself, implementing a better system.

Sorry if this seems doomer, it I truly, truly do not believe the American populace will ever overthrow the current system with the intent of implementing a better one. Hate, bigotry, individualism, etc, is engrained into our existence.

The imperial core countries will be the last to have a revolutionion.

I don’t think civilization has hundreds of years left. Between climate change and nuclear proliferation, if we don’t destroy capitalism soon it is going to destroy us. It’s do or die.

I feel like there’s no theory behind what kind of revolution can take place in the global north, at least none that I’m not aware of. We’re still going off of past revolutions which happened in times where the societies were much different and the technological level was alot lower. Curious what others think could be a possible avenue for revolution.

The only thing that’s set in stone is the past and that’s only because it has already happened. Predictions can be useful if applied alongside action (ex: “the weather prediction says it will rain on Thursday, so I will go the baseball game on Tuesday instead”). Without the action, they mean little. Things can reach a tipping point in one area or another, unforeseen crises can arise, and throughout it all, there are multiple factions vying for power, whether for selfish reasons, such as fascism, or humanitarian ones, such as anti-imperialism, decolonization, and liberation of the working class. Aid in the humanitarian struggle where you can; that’s where dire predictions are transformed into optimistic ones.

I believe we’re building towards a revolution, but whether it is successful or not remains to be seen.

Despite what you might see from weird guys on the Internet, grassroots-level Socialist politics are as active in America as they’ve been since the Red Scare. Big Things are Happening. In parts of the country where 20 years ago there were just Anarchists doing drugs in bars and 5 radlibs attending City councils, there are explicitly Marxist political parties with dozens of members organizing protests and events that draw hundreds of attendees. Every year interest and applications grow exponentially.

They say we’re supposed to have Revolutionary Optimism, but personally, I don’t really care one way or another if we win - I’m just mad, I have nothing to lose, and I want to fight.

We should remember that there wasn’t even a socialist party in Russia till 1898. That’s 19 years before the revolution and that party had a major split in 1903 that created the Bolshevik party. Lenin, Stalin, and Trotsky were just the shit posters of their time. There were lots of other voices and ideas floating around. I’m sure many people condemned them for not being grounded in the real world the same way some of todays leftists get called “terminally online.”

Say Trump declared an end to term limits and imprisoned opposition in few states. Then invaded Canada and Mexico while setting up concentration camps. Russia and China back the Mexicans (lets face it canada would probably buckle in weeks) Americans start getting conscripted. War starts getting protracted, Trump fires generals for incompetence or because they are too competent and he is getting paranoid of them. The replacement generals see the insanity and decide they need to act to end the meaningless war and trump. So you get a coup maybe the socialists take over maybe you get a junta. Junta is followed by elections at some point, maybe that cycle repeats a few times and maybe when its over its socialist.

This could all happen in the space 20 years. I wont say “its likely” but it isn’t without precedent.

It is very easy to feel like it’s never going to happen.

One of the biggest reasons FDR implemented the New Deal, was because there were groups advocating for communism and socialism in the US and it was not a far fetched prospect.

https://www.peoplesworld.org/article/the-communist-party-in-the-30s-the-depression-and-the-great-upsurge/

https://jacobin.com/2019/10/highlander-folk-school-socialist-party-new-deal

The more we organize and unionize, the more it’s possible!

In the US the discontentment towards the status quo is certainly there, the organization and educational awareness isn’t.

It will happen in 2026. But it will be a fascist revolution

I hope so. Natives, LGBTQ, BIPOC, will unite against White Supremacy. AfD, Reform, GOP, Conservatives of Canada will fail fast.

Doubt any type of revolution will happen. As long as people are just comfortable enough to survive, they’ll gladly enjoy a worse quality of life, especially if they’re told that other countries have it worse

They might fail or be aborted, but I actually think we might see something happen in the next 20 years tops for at least some global north countries. Living conditions are worsening quickly with no relief in sight, and unless the ruling classes manage to find some pressure valve I think it’s gonna blow up soon.

I wouldn’t be surprised if there were more “riots” and maybe a much larger scale CHAZ-like occupation in the US or more militant Gilets Jaunes protests in France, among other things. Sadly I don’t foresee a Marxist-Leninist revolution any time soon for most of these countries (Greece maybe?), but then again nobody in 1902 expected 1905, and few people even in February 1917 expected October 19017.

Well i dont know of any vanguard parties in any global north nations that are even a little bit successful. Their economies will have to collapse first then we will see how long it takes for some to start forming. Kinda depends if once China becomes the dominant world power they start really pushing for the world revolution. Apparently they plan to by 2050 so maybe with their support youd see some serious parties start to form. I think a lot of global north nations just wont exist anymore. Most of them have a lot of internal divisions. Theyll probably break up. Not all but some will.