Not sure what the deal is with tennis balls, raquet balls hurt a whole lot more!

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    If they’re going to allow guns in the RNC, I hope they at least manage to round up a handful of competent secret service agents, if that still exists.

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        No, that’s not okay. People killing politicians to advance a political agenda is chaos writ large. It cannot be allowed to happen.

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          While I concur that assassination has no place in a functional democracy; if Hitler had been assassinated during WW2 it would have surely been chaotic for Germany. Therein lies the question: is chaos inherently worse than an actively unjust order?

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            Everyone in Hitler’s orbit was just as hateful as he was. But in many cases, they were smarter and less insane. Killing Hitler could have easily made WW2 a lot worse for everyone. What if you assassinated Hitler only to cause the Nazis to win?

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              Yep, but they weren’t going to win globally, though locally we’d likely have some of the following, depending on the point in time where the assassination happens:

              1. German version of Hirohito, only it wasn’t a monarchy, so likely the new dear leader would be a figurehead in a western puppet government, kinda similar to how it really happened, but without apologies, without reparations, without big trials and with formal and aesthetic preservation of the German Empire, and of course they’d be known for nice cartoons, cool language and really weird engineering (OK, this part happened irl, so nvm) ;

              2. German version of Atatürk, with his NSDAP 2.0 rebranded (same as with Kemalists being slightly rebranded Young Turks), which is totally not NSDAP, and lots of stupid people would praise them for fixing the mistakes of previous incompetent and criminal leaders (including Holocaust, which was committed by a totally different party and totally different state, but still didn’t happen, and if it happened, then they deserved it, and we’ll do it again), ah, and of course the German Empire keeping Silesia, East Prussia, northern Schleswig and maybe even Austria, and continuing analogies, I’d expect Sudetes and Danzig and whatever too ;

              3. Something similar to the “Fatherland” movie, not in the sense of Nazis winning, but in the sense of society and, again, crimes against humanity ;

              4. Some peace without WWII starting or around early 1942, highly improbable seeing how eager they were to do it all, but - then maybe a very slow Mexican duel of a Cold War.

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              Ww2 would have ended very differently if, instead of invading Siberia/russia, they had instead elected to invade the Middle East.

              The impetus, ostensibly, was to seize oil fields. The reality was that Hitler absolutely despised Stalin, so he broke the non aggression treaty. It was largely inevitable- Stalin hated him just as much as Hitler.

              But, the problem was in terms of production of war material- specifically, fuel, oil, and rubber. They could have steam rolled most of the states in the Middle East with relative ease- they were largely armed with pre-WW1 castoffs.

              (Now, keeping it would have been expensive, but that’s a different matter.)

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            You can play all the theoretical moral games you want. Political assassinations of leaders is madness.

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                    Is that why WW1 is generally pretty unbiased? Nobody actually fucking won in that war. We must replicate this across all wars for reasons of historical posterity.

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                  You are not that naive to think it’s his murder that caused WWI, yes? It’s well known that all sides had been preparing for world war.

                  Serbia accepted all parts of the AH ultimatum, except for one, which was a complete violation of sovereignty.

                  There were no significant negotiations over this, because that ultimatum was not intended to be accepted.

                  Germany and Russia and France and Italy all mobilized without all these things we hear today about new red lines and negotiations and compromises in Ukraine and elsewhere. Humans have not changed, it’s just that war was certain to happen. The archduke’s murder was not, but it was very convenient since he was a rather peacemaking figure.

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                    You are not that naive to think it’s his murder that caused WWI, yes?

                    Nothing more immediately tempts me to dismiss a comment than one attempting to start with a passive insult. From a 1 day old account, none the less. I’ll ignore my better sense and plow on.

                    I guess I’ll also ignore the pages of articles pointing to it as the “immediate cause” of the war.

                    Guess I’ll not point out the all geopolitical tension you mentioned being be the “powder keg” that Ferdinand’s assassination ignited, either.

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              The IRA killed a lot of people some of them were politicians, and well the IRA was based. Ya gotta crack a couple of eggs to make an omelette and jack we’re makibg the mother of all omelettes!

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          Of course it can’t. Unless they are dumb enough to let the whole crowd be armed. At that point you just can’t fix stupid. After all, in this case it is vigilante justice really. Since he is a convicted felon. But I suspect he will be behind bulletproof glass or something.

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            You’re probably right that Trump will be behind bulletproof glass, but the threat of a domestic terrorist attack there did just go up about a thousand percent.

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      They aren’t allowing them in the RNC, that’s the hard perimeter established by the SS.

      The soft perimeter surrounding that is where they allow guns but not tennis balls.