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Secretary of State Marco Rubio grew visibly frustrated during an ABC News interview when questioned about the Trump administrationā€™s approach to Russia.

Defending Trumpā€™s push for peace talks with Putin, Rubio insisted negotiations were necessary but admitted the administration didnā€™t know Russiaā€™s demands.

He clashed with host George Stephanopoulos over Trumpā€™s refusal to call Putin a dictator and the U.S. siding with Russia in a recent UN vote.

Rubio also compared Trumpā€™s handling of Ukraine to Bidenā€™s approach to Israel, further escalating tensions.

  • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
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    The only person to talk about backing out of NATO since its creation has been Putin/Xi and Trump/Musk.

    Thatā€™s not true. Ron/Rand Paul, Ross Perot, Pat Buchanan, and a number of other paleocons have been championing this for decades.

    Trumpā€™s just the first guy to make it all the way to the White House with the view. But it isnā€™t unique to Trump, nor is it particularly unpopular. Lots of Americans, particularly poorer and more rural ones, see these foreign alliances as an unnecessary extravagance.

    They donā€™t like it any more than they liked NAFTA or the WTO or the UN.

    NATO is Russia/Chinaā€™s greatest deterrent.

    What is The North Atlantic Treaty Organization detering China from doing, exactly?

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      21 hours ago

      Thatā€™s not true.

      I was being facetious.

      What is The North Atlantic Treaty Organization detering China from doing, exactly?

      Anything in the South China Sea or the Indo-Pacific that they shouldnā€™t be doing. China literally just says sometimes ā€œHey, nice land you got there. Would be a fuckinā€™ shame if we took itā€¦ā€ and then just pretends like that land has always been a part of China. They literally do it all the time. Theyā€™re attempting to expand their empire and without the presence of NATO, there would be no one to stop themā€¦ Especially from capturing strategic or necessary assets that are critical to the US, like Taiwan. If we lose Taiwan weā€™re pretty much omega-fucked and I donā€™t think people appreciate that fact enough.

      NATO is the largest nuclear deterrent in the world and if we pull out, itā€™s like taking all the ammo out of our really big guns. Itā€™s such an astonishingly stupid move I cannot even believe that anyone with a pulse would or even could support it. It leaves me fuckinā€™ bewildered.

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        Anything in the South China Sea or the Indo-Pacific that they shouldnā€™t be doing.

        Such as? What isnā€™t China doing that they would be doing without British or French intervention?

        China literally just says sometimes ā€œHey, nice land you got there. Would be a fuckinā€™ shame if we took itā€¦ā€

        You sure youā€™re not confusing China with the United States?

        NATO is the largest nuclear deterrent in the world

        Deterant to what? They certainly didnā€™t keep Russia out of Georgia, Crimea, or the Donbas.

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          Such as?

          I literally went on to explain. So either youā€™re being disingenuous here or you just donā€™t read. Either way, Iā€™m out.

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          You sure youā€™re not confusing China with the United States?

          Boom, there it is!

          I Guess weā€™re just ignoring all the shit theyā€™re pulling by dumping sand and dirt into the ocean and calling it a Chinese island, and all the shit theyā€™re doing near Taiwan.

          Canā€™t wait for someone to pull out a 400 year old map to justify modern day imperialism again!

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            I Guess weā€™re just ignoring all the shit theyā€™re pulling

            Interesting ā€œWest vs restā€ moment yesterday on French TV with the President of Congo, the 2nd biggest country in Africa.

            The host asks: ā€œAre you saying that the Chinese or the Russians behave better than us, Westerners, currently, in your opinion?ā€

            ā€œOh absolutely!ā€ he replies, ā€œYou donā€™t quite understand African realitiesā€¦ itā€™s astonishing to see how we are very distant in terms of cultures. We cannot understand why you come to give us lessons, for example, on human rights.ā€

            Reminds of the now famous saying from a Kenyan official: "Every time China visits we get a hospital, every time Britain visits we get a lectureā€ā€¦

            Canā€™t wait for someone to pull out a 400 year old map to justify modern day imperialism again!

            glances at a map of US military bases

            The crazy thing about NATO is how much of it hinges on the political attitude of a single man in a big white house within walking distance of the Potomac. So many eggs placed in one basket. And then the Americans spill itā€¦ twice.

            But you cling to NATO like its something so much more than the legacy of American post-war expansionism. Like it really is an enthusiastic alliance between Atlantic Nations and not the biggest kid on the playground shaking down everyone else for their lunch money.

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      @Xanza probably doesnā€™t know anything past what CNN and Facebook has told them about things.