• kava@lemmy.world
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    A superpower by definition cannot really be a rogue state. A “rogue state” is a political label applied by dominant powers to states that defy the international order. For example Iran or North Korea are considered rogue states because they defy the international order. What is “the international order”?

    Well, it’s the combination post-WW2 institutions created by none other than the US. The UN, IMF, NATO, etc. They set the norms of “legitimate” behavior. When the US participates in military interventions, economic sanctions, and other aggressive actions it’s framed as upholding “rules-based order” whereas identical actions by weaker states get them condemned with the label as “rogue states”.

    To call the US a rogue state is to misunderstand power. Hegemony is the ability to define reality, not just defy it. In this way, the US has always been a rogue state in the sense that it does whatever it wants regardless of the international norms. I mean, just look at the mid 1900s and its actions in Latin America. It was involved in about a dozen states toppling governments and supporting military dictatorships- including sponsoring the genocide of natives in Guatemala.

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    Many Americans are unaware of the problems due to media censorship.

    However they’re creating so many problems that even those with blinders on are seeing this shit.

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    Depends. Everyone who voted against Trump knows this and it’s probably why they did but most non voters and maga are still ignorant.

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    Leftists, of course. Liberals will continue to be in denial for the foreseeable future. Conservatives just dgaf.

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    Some of us are aware. We tend to also be the ones who know this only ends in some kind of revolution. No dictator has even chosen to give up power.

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    Aware and trying to let others in my circle that are unaware become aware.

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    To some 20%-30% of the country ‘patriot’ means ‘whites only’. Honestly, if your so dedicated to being a patriotic American you can’t stand up to a government doing everything it can to destroy America, you’re just an idiot.

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    The phrase “rogue state” to me always just sorta meant “uncooperative with the United States,” which the United States can’t be. I’m sure there’s a more useful definition.

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    As is typical for the US, 1/3 are deeply aware, 1/3 are in full “patriotic” support, and 1/3 are too distracted by the latest TikTok dance to notice.

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      I don’t think that applies here. 1/3 in each group is fair for domestic matters. But, OP is asking about perceptions of the US by people in other countries.

      In that case, even the 1/3 that is opposed to what’s happening will contain a lot of people with no idea how the rest of the world sees the US. For example, of the 1/3 of Americans who deeply oppose what’s happening, what fraction do you think actually read Le Monde or Deutsche Welle, or are even aware that they have an English-language service?

      And, the 1/3 that is fully supportive of what’s happening will contain a lot of people who think that this is improving how the rest of the world sees the US. Sure, some will be aware and will still be defiant in the face of how the rest of the world is reacting. But, others will be watching Fox News or Newsmax and will hear propaganda that convinces them that the rest of the world admires and respects the US more than ever for taking a decisive stand against the deep state.

      So, as with anything involving something happening outside the US, I’d guess more than 50% of Americans have no idea what the rest of the world is thinking.

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      In a burning house with three people, one is fighting the fire, one is pouring gasoline on everything and one is on the couch watching TV.

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        Let’s add a 4th person in there, someone who thinks they’re helping by doing nothing but yelling that the fire isn’t allowed to burn things

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          More like yelling at the one fighting the fire because they’re getting water everywhere

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            “If you had just picked a better water bucket, we wouldn’t be in this mess. It’s your fault if the house burns down.”

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            If more of you would have voted for Jill Stein, we wouldn’t be in this mess!

            /s in case that wasn’t obvious

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                  Democrats are the ones criticizing the ones actually trying to put out the fire but doing jack shit about it.

                  What’s more, they’re the ones who doused the house with gas not a half a year ago, and whenever they’re not delighting in the terror going “oh I bet you must love it, you didn’t vote for the lady with the matches and now you got the guy with the flamethrower” they’re passing his budgets, they’re complying with Musk’s unelected goons, they’re getting on with his Gaza agenda and largely silent about the protestors getting kidnapped.

                  Asking for donations isn’t resisting, it’s ransom.

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        I wish 1/3 of the USA were trying to put the fire out… The majority of this third are just watching in horror how the fire consumes their house

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          They are really earnestly and as hard as they can trying to put the raging fire out with a cheap children’s water pistol that isn’t working very well.

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            100% this. Every other memper of my family voted for this. I do my best, but they’re so blinded by the media and their own bias that it’s almost impossible to convince them on even 1 topic.

            Its incredibly sad and frustrating actually

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              The fact that you are there and aware of what is happening to your country is hope for change. I always sound doom and gloom in my posts but I’m also hopeful for the change. I’m Indigenous Canadian and my entire life has always felt like failure in everything me and my family has been exposed to for generations. The greatest thing I learned from all of it is to never give up … even in the face of overwhelming odds.

    • And Lemmy is disproportionately representative of the 1/3 who are aware.

      If you look at the comments on a random public social media post, you’ll find the delusional third or half.

      It basically boils down to where they’re getting their information, or rather, whether it’s information or “information”. A large swath of the population is so propagandized by right wing rag “media” that they are functionally incapable of rational thought.

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      I think there’s another 1/3 - maybe at intersection of them all.

      A great many people in shock, and don’t realise this is just America mask-off.

      It’s standard American foreign policy and has been for 60 years. The wars they have started, the regime change, it’s all standard. Ask anyone in South America or the Middle East.

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        am from south america, can confirm. my country was couped by the cia, and we are still suffering from the consequences.

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    I see a lot of people starting gardens or looking to getting chickens to be as self sufficient as they can. Many are holding off on large purchases to save in case “something happens”. People around me who were never interested in firearms and in fact were generally opposed to them are starting to arm themselves at a rapid pace.

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      Interesting, but not surprising that this doesn’t really answer the question. The question was about whether Americans were aware of how the US was perceived outside its borders.

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      Good luck with the gardens. I’ve never really been a fan of US gun laws, but now it all seems strangely sensible.

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        This is the literal, specific scenario 2A was intended to counter. We’ll have to see over the next few years if it works as intended.

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          I’m not sure thats right. I think the 2A was written in order to enable the US to be able to organize militias to defend itself against foreign invasion as, at the time, the idea of the colonies supporting a standing army was impossible.

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          People invoke 2A usually lie, and the reason to arm themselves is to kill dark skinned people they don’t like.

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            this was always the reason for 2a: empowering white settlers to “defend” their land (stolen from indigenous people at gunpoint) and property (African slaves held in captivity at gunpoint).

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        In most of the US they have HOA who likely forbid such things for an absurd fear that a slightly uglier house down in your street will tank your property’s value.

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      I bought several fire arms recently and asked the local gun shops in a very generic sense about how sales were. All three claimed traditional winter slow sales and reported no uptick in sales. Also the local pawn shop guy has a ton of guns, there aren’t any ammo shortages, all the paper work is sailed through no delays, the conceal and carry course I was required to take to carry a pistol was no where near full and the instructor said things are slow (but his class did kind of suck it was just the soonest one near me); that’s been my experience the last three months.

      I’ve always been interested in firearms, but not interested enough to convince my wife we should own any, well, she’s convinced now! and I never had to say anything, so I agree with your comment.