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Eh, feels like he’s playing up the stereotype of the eternal German.
"…WE DON’T DO ZIS IN GERMANY! YOU BUILD HOUSES WITH WOOD? WE DON’T DO ZIS IN GERMANY. YOU DON’T SEPARATE GLASS FROM RECYCLING? BUT WE DO ZIS IN GERMANY!!!
I’m allowed to say that, I’m German myself. We are obnoxious and tone-deaf fuckers.
There’s tone deaf and there’s common sense, life saving practices.
This. I absolutely prefer to be a tone-deaf fucker among tone-deaf fuckers if that means my ambulance arrives timely after someone tried car buttsex at 260 kmh. (162 mph)
What, speed limits? Don’t you dare touch my freedom.
It’s Manhattan you’re not getting above 26 let alone 260. 2.6 is a good day.
Could just be they talk so damn loud they can’t hear anyone else.
Agreed
I’m not an American but I’ve lived in Washington for years. Every time an Ambulance is moving with its siren on, people move to the side of the road to let it pass. This guy is just inaccurate.
Manhattan has gridlock that prevents this. There’s no space to move into.
yup, I was on a street so narrow just a couple months ago that I couldn’t pull over far enough to let a firetruck go by. I had pulled over as far as I could. The truck got behind me and I couldn’t move over. SO I just said “fuck it” - and zoomed into the road as fast as was safe and turned off the road the first place I could find.
He clipped the video as someone was moving out of the way
But surely this one example is enough to judge an entire country by!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hwGd3QWgTLs&pp=0gcJCdgAo7VqN5tD
For contrast: a video of a more congested street in Paris 17 years ago. The situations aren’t completely comparable: bigger emergency vehicle, smaller other vehicles, smaller street with less options to get out of the way, … One other major difference and the reason I’m posting this, is that 30 seconds into the video, you can see that most drivers have moved to the sides of the road AHEAD of the firetruck and that they are holding still while waiting on the firetruck to pass them. The street + path are less than ideal and there isn’t really enough room, so the truck is still not going very fast, but it’s at least able to keep moving. By moving to the sides, the drivers also blocked in that smaller firetruck that was coming from the side street, so that’s going to cause some confusement after the big one has passed.
The reason that that NYC ambulance is completely stuck in traffic, isn’t because of space, because there is plenty compared to that Parisian street, but it’s the drivers who are not creating a path. It’s not an infrastructure problem, it’s something that can be taught + encouraged if there is a political will to make a change.
Distracted drivers are a serious problem in more ways than one. A couple weeks ago I was 2nd in line at a red light, only us 2 in that lane and several more in the other. An ambulance drove up behind us flashing and it was immediately clear the shortest path through the intersection was for our 2 cars to clear out. I put on my hazards and starting alternating lights and horn, while the person ahead sat blithely scrolling through their phone while the ambulance and I were both laying on the horn and didn’t move until the light turned green. Even then, didn’t pull aside so the bus had to weave around him. The lack of situational awareness and empathy on the road is sadly lacking.
Yeah, smartphones are a menace as well in traffic, especially when combined with someone as oblivious as in your example :). The government(s) in my country has had several police + information campaigns against smartphone use since a few years. There’s now also a fine of 175 euro + loss of driver’s license for 15 days for using the smartphone while driving in traffic. And waiting in traffic, still counts as driving. If used for navigation, then the destination has to be put in before starting to drive & the smartphone has to be in a holder or connected to the infotainment system.
This heavier punishment is pretty recent and the chance of being caught seems low, so there’s still often people using smartphones inappropriately. Last one I saw this week was an oblivious teenager on a bicycle. It’ll be interesting to see if there’s been a noticable change in a few years.
Ja.
Absolutely every second for an ambulance matters. Every. Second.
People blocking an ambulance should be punished and made examples of.
Nobody is blocking the ambulance here, there’s literally nowhere to go. Have you never been to a real city before?
There was plenty of space in the video to move the car out of the way. Maybe you would need to stop for a minute because you’re parking close to the curb/car but more than enough for the ambulance to pass
I live in Atlanta. One of the slowest most congested city’s in America. We hold record to the slowest intersection in the country. In the smallest worst parts of the city we get out of the way for emergency vehicles.
Have you ever been to a real city?
There are cities that use medics on motor bikes for this exact reason. They can’t evac someone but getting there quickly to use a defibrillator or control bleeding could make a difference.
So why not put paramedics on a e-bike, so they can actually arrive at the scene first. It’s not like the patient gets put into the ambulance immediately on arrival. Might as well have someone take care of the patient before the ambulance arrives. Just put a e-bike in the back of the ambulance or rack it on the front.
Shitty solution to a shitty problem in my opinion. Quite often patients are indeed put into the ambulance immediately. Ambulances also have tons of medical equipment, none of which you can fit on a bike, obviously. Then there’s the question of paramedic safety, especially given how many road accidents there are in the US. Plus, that would be a major cost for healthcare providers. Instead of 2 paramedics, you’d need 3 or 4, since they can’t go solo, again due to safety concerns. Overall this isn’t something we should be looking for alternative solutions to. You can’t keep making workarounds for systemic issues, like horrible road/traffic design or society being severely uneducated.
Our service uses bikes in highly urban areas, but I can’t speak to the pros or cons of it as I don’t have the brain power right now. It’s a large service, but not anywhere near a significant part of the service. Urban stuff, large gatherings stuff, terrain stuff with quads and even a boat.
They carry 100lbs of gear.
Their solution is going to be ai controlled drones, you think they’re going to create solutions that require people? This problem is the first step to robo ambulances, we already have robo police drones where I live in America.
That sounds like a legit idea. Most important 1st aid gear can fit in a backpack. Inhaler. Defibrillator. Tracheostomy Tube. Etc including stuff to stop bleeding, including the knowledge of how to do it correctly.
Where I live in Canada traffic moves for anything EMS related with lights(other than a tow truck unless of course they have an EMS escort). We pull up on to sidewalks, curbs, and anything really to clear a path. Heck I’ve seen people put their vehicle into a snow bank or a ditch to get out of the way. I guess we’re of the mindset that others will do the same for us should we be the ones awaiting EMS to arrive or deliver us to an ER.
Feeling confused. Why can’t the ambulance go through the small gaps between sidewalk. In my country ambulance drivers drive like its GTA.
theres people on it? Like regularly?
Also i doubt an ambulance would even fit in most places, chances are it’s going to get stuck, immediately.
https://v.redd.it/1u707p7uieve1/DASH_720.mp4?source=fallback
For perspective this is how ambulance zooms past traffic here.
To be fair, with the congestion that severe, the ambulance should use helicopters. Like they do here in London.
Good luck finding a spot to land somewhere close within Manhattan. Unless you happen to have the heart attack next to a car park (or the central park) that also happens to not be heavily used right now there’s hardly any spot to safely land.
in London and other cities it’s less of a problem given we don’t build that many high rise buildings and got more big old market places and small parks.
A chopper can land safely on any road cross. And NY has shit loads of them. Then it’s a 1 minute walk.
We need them to rappel from the helicopter and swing right into your appartment through the window. This is how we save lives.
Trauma team is on the job
“This Berk had Platinum coverage?”
I didn’t think you could make the job of a paramedic even more exciting than it already is, but here we are.
True, I guess the reality is they are only Americans anyway
Not sure you want that with no faa
I’m sure you DON’T want that with no FAA
I saw this exact same thing yesterday in Cologne Germany but not with one, but two ambulances.
As a city dweller I never seen this happen in Germany ever in my life. So not too common at least.
Germany is better than most places, but it happens here too. It could be one of those things you only notice when you’re looking for it.
I’ve never seen someone open carry a gun in the US but when you listen to people it sounds like everyone does.
I was a my friends WG (group apartment) and her roommate just got back from the US. She was shocked that the Americans even put sugar in their bread. Something something it’s why they are all fat and unhealthy. I was curious, so got all of the german bread there… And you know what? It all had a higher sugar content than the American bread example.
Regular, unpackaged, German bread doesn’t contain added sugar though? I just looked it up for the supermarkets in my area, so I’m sure I’m not spouting bullshit.
Genuine question, what bread did you look at?
There are varieties with sugar, but it’s not the norm. This is definitely much more typical for other countries (not just the US).
But serious question @taxiiiii. Do I need to go on? “Regular, unpackaged, German bread doesn’t contain added sugar though” - so you say - or does it? Which is exactly the point I was making about the ambulance. Ambulances never get blocked in Germany, just as german bread does not have added sugar. Both are of course wrong.
Really. I can give you 1,000 other examples of where it has added sugar. I can also give you examples of german bread that have double or tripple higher added sugar then other countries typical bread.
You are correct that many counties like Japan, or Sweden, or the US add sugar to their bread, but you would also be wrong to assume that it doesn’t happen in your country. Cause it happens in every country. Want to know how I know? I’ve professionally baked bread in Germany and the US.
Dude, I never said no bread in Germany contains sugar. Regular supermarket bread in my area mostly doesn’t, so I was wondering. I’m not sure what got you annoyed enough about an innocent question to downvote me and turn this into a three comment answer? I really wasn’t trying to be snarky.
That’s the thing with stereotypes, it’s not about saying all people or all things are like this, it’s about tendencies. Some people play those up for humor. Anyone who then seriously claims that “everyone/everything from country x is like that” is an idiot of course. I didn’t do that though.
Thanks for giving me examples, it’s good to know that the sugar content of storebought bread is that different depending on the region. That’s all I wanted to know.
Buuuttt… You more or less did say that. This is what you said - “Regular, unpackaged, German bread doesn’t contain added sugar though”
And Haha no worries my man, I simply had the time. The thing is… regular supermarket bread in your area does have added sugar. That is the point. It is not region dependant. It does in northern Germany, it does in southern Germany, east and west. It does in your bio-markt, it does in Aldi, it does at netto, it does at rewe. The common default is added sugar in one variety or another. It is rare, so rare it is much harder to find an exception to that rule. Grocery stores almost all have mass produced bread - mass produced bread has added sugar for a lot of good reasons.
The “regular” ist key here. I checked my local breads, saw no added sugar, saw some sweet breads with sugar, concluded that regular bread usually doesn’t contain sugar. Asked you to disprove the claim with examples, because I got curious. That’s not claiming all breads contain no sugar. That’s your interpretation, not my intended meaning.
I can also tell you why I concluded that: because I didnt count Gerstenmalz-extrakt as sugar (and didn’t know what “malted barley” translates to). I didn’t even know it was sweet. I searched for sugar in the ingredients and couldn’t find any. So now I learned something new, which is that this stuff is sweet, even if it isn’t pure sugar. Also that our breads, even if they usually taste less sweet than in other countries I’ve been to, have added sweet stuff. Good to know.
Which one did I look at? No idea. That was 4 years ago at someone’s house. But here are some examples. Merzenich are the most common bakeries around me.
Their bauernhandbrötchen have 2,6g sugar per 100g. Their main sugar that they are adding is malted barely. But they also add beet sugar and grape sugar. Malted barley is sugar syurp. https://baeckerei-merzenich.de/ WEIZENMEHL 43 %, Wasser, ROGGEN MEHL 7 %, ROGGENMALZFLOCKEN 4 %, GERSTENMALZEXTRAKT, Zucker, Traubenzucker, Malzmehl (GERSTE, WEIZEN), WEIZENGRIESS, Rapsöl, Salz, BUTTERMILCHPULVER, Hefe
Here is another kamps village bread 1.6g sugar https://kamps.de/produkte/brot-kamps-dorfbrot
Or another at 2.6g sugar https://kamps.de/produkte/brot-kamps-eck
Here is a sliced bread variety at 1.5 G that I see at rewe https://www.harry-brot.de/produkte/detail/show/sammy-s-super-sandwich-das-original
I’m not trying to cherry pick out examples. Literally the first thing I find that is bread
Backwerk kaiserbrötchen 2.6g sugar, their pretzel 3.4g sugar https://www.back-werk.de/de/sortiment/kaiserbrotchen-622?lang=de
It doesn’t get more typical for me than german pumpernickel, with a whopping 6.7g sugar coming from sugar beets and malted barley syurp https://www.knuspr.de/6236-alnatura-bio-pumpernickel?gad_source=1
Bread from rewe. 2.8g sugar. Coming from caramelized sugar and a inverted sugar syurp. https://shop.rewe.de/p/gab-weltmeisterbrot-mehrkorn-750g/2306462
Farmers crust 2,6g sugar http://sortiment.heberer.de/de/home/i/50001178 Roggenbrot 2.6g sugar http://sortiment.heberer.de/de/home/i/50001154
Do I need to go on?
That’s all garbage from big chains and Multinationals (Kamps, Harrys, Rewe and Backwerk)
What bread are you eating? Another example I can’t relate to at all. I usually bake my own bread, sometimes I buy. Never had sugar in it. Maybe you were looking at Brioche or something? I consider that more of a sweet like cake or muffins.
This is not the bread I was eating, it is the bread they had at home. Nearly all commercial bread has sugar added to it. Natural sugar is also created with breaking down carbohydrates. A popular sugar added to german bread is malted barley syrup . Nearly all german bread bought at german bakeries have a sugar content between .4g and 1.5g per 100g. Go to a grocery store and flip over a bread package. Go to one of the bakery chains and look at their nutrition facts. Here are some examples. The first one I looked up on Merzenich has 2.7g sugar per 100.
https://baeckerei-merzenich.de/sortiment/
https://www.edna.de/epages/Edna.sf/de_DE/?ObjectPath=%2FShops%2FEdna%2FProducts%2F2760
https://www.edna.de/epages/Edna.sf/de_DE/?ObjectPath=%2FShops%2FEdna%2FProducts%2F2730
You should see major cities in latin america if you think that’s bad. In many countries it’s like they don’t even care.
The US has no excuse though, we should be way, way better.
I’m from Chile and whenever you’re in a jam and an ambulance needs to get through, cars move out of their way to let it through. In Santiago, at least. We also stop at zebra crossings to let pedestrians cross.
Sure and Santiago is a horrible example. I was just there a few months ago. It feels the most like boston of anywhere else in latin america. When I was in el salvador I thought I was gonna get robbed at the airport, where they pat you down at each departure gate.
The wages are livable, the neighborhoods are safe(mostly), the housing is affordable, the food is terrible (compared to lima anyway.) I couldn’t get enough of the mountains.
In lima I was getting cased by pickpockets, in santiago I didn’t ever feel that way. Lima’s traffic is on another level. Santiago’s rush hour is much more organized and you have way more street lights and better drivers. In lima as a pedestrian you have to RUN so they don’t hit you. In santiago they stop and let you cross - something nearly unheard of in a lot of other latin american nations.
Why would cities in latin america have excuses?
Education quality is a tip of the iceberg.
Talk to someone who went to a public school in say the dominican republic. I’ve heard stories of years of kids just waiting around with next to no actual teaching involved from someone who was physically there in their childhood. If you don’t go to a private school odds are you aren’t going to get any real education or structure beyond what you pick up at home… and odds are your parents were in the same boat.
The US education system has been nothing like that, it is going to get like that in the south though. In remote low population areas it’s very possible to get bad - and clearly some teenage pregnancies disrupt things in the US, but in the DR it’s a lot worse.
I’ve seen roads so congested in NYC that they literally cannot get through. Saw a firetruck honk for a solid 5 minutes before getting to move anywhere.
There’s no place for anyone to move to. The congestion is such that you cannot get out of the way. The Van Wyck alone will slow an ambulance to 3-5mph because of traffic. You cannot get out of the way if there’s no place to go!
As if the usa is the only country in the world with congested rush hour traffic. I’ve been in streets that were way more tightly packed + chaotic than this and people would still clear a path for vehicles with sirens. The emergency vehicle would only be able to go 20 to 30 kmh without a motorcycle escort, but that’s still significantly faster than what we’re seeing here.
What we’re seeing in this video, is that (some) vehicles that are directly in front of the ambulance move out of the way, but vehicles that are a tiny bit further ahead, don’t even try. If a vehicle that is directly in front of the ambulance can move out of the way, then a vehicle that is 30 places ahead, is also able to move out of the way, but they don’t even try … What should happen is that as soon as drivers hear a siren, they should start looking for where it’s coming from and then clear a path, and drivers should also especially not be driving into the path that others are clearing. Instead it seems like these drivers wait till the siren is right behind them and only then some start to move out of the way.
Looking for excuses in American exceptionalism reads like a case of “we’ve tried nothing and we’re all out of ideas”. This particular problem is something that can be easily improved upon by a public awareness campaign and some light fines for those that keep obstructing after the campaign has been running for some time. But what’s obviously even easier than that, is finding an excuse to continue doing nothing about the problem.
Part of the problem is that the “rugged individualism” that America was founded on also equates to entitlement. The last generations that truly had it rough, where a community spirit was important to surviving are dying or gone, and no one has learned their lesson. Yet.
Well, I guess you’ve got it all figured out then. Just stupid Americans, right?
Yeah, absolutely. Americans making excuses as to why solutions that work in other countries, would not work in the USA, are a scourge on your society. Your lives could be so much better if you lot stopped falling for that American exceptionalism propaganda and stopped inventing reasons to not do anything about known problems. And now that you’ve turned into a banana republic, I’m done being polite about it.
A retort that completely disregards the reasons why it doesn’t work in some major cities based on the sole example presented here while you make sweeping judgements conflated into an overall condemnation of everyone living here. Wow. Fuck right off. Really. Blocked.
Yes. With video evidence.
There’s congestion in German cities too. The point isn’t to drive away. During rettungsgasse, nobody goes anywhere. They just make way by stopping to the sides.
The problem in NY is that the cars are too big for the lanes to do that.
There are no lanes to move aside into. It has nothing to do with vehicle size or “driving away”. I really don’t know what to tell you, I’ve spent plenty of time in several German cities as well as US cities, the comparison isn’t there. There are no breakdown lanes or shoulders to move into in many places to make room for emergency vehicles. You’re welcome to argue all you want, but I drive in and around NYC regularly so I’m more than familiar.
You don’t need an extra lane, if the traffic on your side moves to his right side and the other side moves to their right side, there would be plenty space in the middle for the ambulance to pass
The problem in NY is that the cars are too big for the lanes to do that.
the only place available for people to do this is parking lanes and bus/bike lanes.
Yes, when there’s an ambulance behind you, you take a parking or bus or bike lane. Hop a fucking curb if you have to. It’s the one thing all the big ass SUVs should be good for in the city.
There seems to be quite some space there compared to what I’ve seen emergency vehicles use here in the Netherlands. Recently there was one traveling across a pretty narrow bridge and a road that normally allocated 2 cars. The traffic was completely stuck and yet somehow the emergency vehicle got enough space to travel through. It outpaces me while I was racing down the bridge on a bike. That was more crowded and narrow than this. People went everywhere with their car to create a way for the emergency vehicle
Yeah but they do actually just stop. If there is a siren anywhere in the area, and everyone just stops driving their car. Even when there is somewhere to go, no one ever does.
Yeah that’s usually at an intersection where the only place to go to is into a red light with crossing traffic. A quick search of laws in the US shows no relief for motorists just because there’s a fire truck behind you trying to get through. If you run the red light to make way you could be ticketed (even though it would be real asshole to issue the ticket), and if someone hits you while you run the red or move into tbe intersection to make way it’s your fault. So there’s a lot of disincentive to move in those cases. Where I live people all move over if they can. Otherwise they stay put to be predictable and let the emergency vehicle use the breakdown lane or oncoming traffic. Worst thing is when people cluelessly start randomly trying to outsmart the ambulance and cause a clusterfuck of cars that nobody can get past. US drivers have fuckall for discipline.
I feel like this is mostly your fault for letting 12-year-olds drive, which seems to be the US norm.
Hey have you attended high school education? Great, here is a gun feel free to drive like a maniac who has no concept of lane discipline.
Americans make the Italians look considerate
Seen this happen in European countries too, eventhough I despise american fascist pigs
