• foggy@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    1
    ·
    3 个月前

    I explained to a police officer in my beer sharing circles during the George Floyd protests:

    Damn near every kid in a high school cafeteria knows who the bad kids are and what tables they sit at. It’s no different anywhere in the real world. Every cop at every precinct knows which cops are the bad ones.

    Unlike a highschool cafeteria, you, as a police officer, have a civic, professional, and moral duty to do everything in your power to get those cops kicked the fuck out. And the idea that doing so might somehow harm your career? That’s why “all cops are bastards.” It’s rotten from the top down. A few bad apples, in the case of police officers, spoils the whole bunch.

  • EherVielleicht@discuss.tchncs.de
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    1
    ·
    3 个月前

    Hi German here, we say fuck ICE a lot because it’s a fast Train who always comes late. But to make a long story short, I am missing something here, what does ICE stand for?

    • spaghetti_hitchens@kbin.run
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      2
      ·
      3 个月前

      Immigration and Customs Enforcement in the US. They’re basically the ones who raid homes and businesses looking for undocumented workers

      • LordCrom@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        2
        ·
        3 个月前

        And don’t forget about separating parents from children, holding illegal immigrants in overcrowded cells made from chain link fences inside buildings… They are America’s version of the Show me your papers patrol.

        • Xephonian@retrolemmy.com
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          0
          arrow-down
          2
          ·
          3 个月前

          Blame the parents for not immigrating legally. ICE is there to protect our borders. Want open borders? You can donate your house first. Oh not your house? Then fuck off.

          Millions live here legally. “It’s hard!” is not an excuse.

          • ZephrC@lemm.ee
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            1
            ·
            3 个月前

            Remember, if you want to let other people move, it also automatically gives them the legal right to steal your house and leave you homeless. That’s why I’m living under a bridge while a family from Mississippi has taken my house. Its okay though. They were born on the plot of dirt between Canada and Mexico, so really that means they’re defending my freedom by stealing my house.

            • Xephonian@retrolemmy.com
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              0
              arrow-down
              3
              ·
              3 个月前

              They have to move somewhere right? So why not your house?

              Oh right, you’re fine with giving away other peoples things.

              Just not yours.

              • ZephrC@lemm.ee
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                0
                ·
                3 个月前

                Who said anything about giving things away? You just made that up. What, you think immigrants are stealing your jobs and also not paying rent? That’s not how thing work in the real world. The only people getting your stuff are the prisons full of innocent people who just wanted a chance at a better life.

          • skulblaka@startrek.website
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            1
            ·
            3 个月前

            Blame the fact that it’s so difficult to immigrate legally yet an overwhelming number of businesses rely on cheap immigrant labor. This is a feature, not a bug, because they can pay the illegal immigrants less and abuse them without fear of reprisal because if the employer gets any attitude about it, they call ICE and have the worker deported and replaced with the next struggling desperate immigrant.

            There is no illegal worker in the US that would rather be an illegal worker than a legal carded one. The system is stacked against them because it saves businesses money to do so.

            • OneWomanCreamTeam@sh.itjust.works
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              1
              ·
              3 个月前

              Don’t forget to save some blame for the CIA destabilizing South American governments and terrible living conditions for a huge percentage of the population.

              • Xephonian@retrolemmy.com
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                0
                arrow-down
                3
                ·
                3 个月前

                South American governments should get their shit together. But they can’t and we all know why. Importing that here is like shitting in your pool then wondering why no one want to swim at your pool party.

                • Belastend@lemmy.world
                  link
                  fedilink
                  arrow-up
                  2
                  ·
                  3 个月前

                  Yeah we all know why. Because every time someone improves conditions for their citizens and nationalized american industries, they get Allende’d.

                • OneWomanCreamTeam@sh.itjust.works
                  link
                  fedilink
                  arrow-up
                  1
                  ·
                  3 个月前

                  It’s pretty hard to “get your shit together” when a hegemonic for profits from you not having your shit together.

                  In the mean time, what should the regular people do? Just keep suffering through society in a chokehold from drug cartels? Keep raising their kids there?

            • Xephonian@retrolemmy.com
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              0
              arrow-down
              1
              ·
              edit-2
              3 个月前

              I blame the idiots that think prosperity we enjoy here in the USA is some sort of unlimited resource and that we can just print money when we run out.

              Go ahead, print more money. Hope you’ve already bought your wheelbarrow.

              • skulblaka@startrek.website
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                1
                ·
                3 个月前

                Yes, because naturally no other country in the world enjoys a similar level of prosperity without creating an underclass that they abuse for their profit.

                We don’t need to print more money, we have more than enough money. We just need to recirculate the money we do have. There is plenty of money in the USA for most citizens to live a comfortable life without exploitation, but 80% of that money is buried in the pockets of corporations and 15% of the remaining 20% is buried in the pockets of billionaires.

                • Xephonian@retrolemmy.com
                  link
                  fedilink
                  arrow-up
                  0
                  arrow-down
                  2
                  ·
                  3 个月前

                  naturally no other country in the world enjoys a similar level of prosperity without creating an underclass that they abuse for their profit.

                  There literally isn’t. Whine about the percentages all you want. You still have a higher standard of living than literally anywhere else in the world.

                  Capitalism did that. It’s not perfect but it’s better than anything else.

    • AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      1
      ·
      3 个月前

      Immigration and Customs Enforcement. Basically the federal border control cops that for some damn reason have jurisdiction anywhere within 250 miles of the border.

  • corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    0
    ·
    3 个月前

    My sister in law is a (not American) cop when she’s not an EMT … And she also moonlights as a volunteer fireman.

    Where on the hero-bastard spectrum of cheap generalization you’ve devised does she sit?

    • Cowbee [he/him]@lemmy.ml
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      1
      ·
      3 个月前

      Systems can be bad, and the people who support and work within bad systems are bad, even if they act nice outside of that system.