I have at least one trans friend and many gay friends (mainly from climbing).
I know it’s not a popular opinion but I agree taxpayers shouldn’t cover it, as it’s referring to physical characteristics. One could otherwise make the argument that breast enhancement surgery, hair transplants for beards or penis enlargement surgery should be covered too.
I’d even argue that allowing this would even cause more division in the community honestly (so it’s not even a good thing for the lgbtiq community possibly)
Honestly, I’m not the most handsome guy either, but I wouldn’t expect free plastic surgery either.
I’m not a big guy and I got bullied in high school.
I’ve been made fun of for a patchy beard too.
Lots of women I know felt insecure because of small breasts. Lots of them believe they’d be more attractive with a different butt
I know Indian people here who had to put up with racism.
The reality is, there are always assholes out there, but the best thing to do is to find people to accept you. Assholes will always be assholes and will always use people’s features to bully
I know you think you’re helping, but I suspect this would create a massive backlash and incite hatred towards trans people. Trans people will still need to put up with assholes, but will also have to spend their lives proving that they’re not looking for special treatment and free handouts (ie. Something like this could hurt them more).
The trans person I know is obviously trans too but actually has a huge amount of friends and is the nicest person I know. She also seems successful too. Something like this would actually work negatively against her.
@Auzy If something causing immense distress to someone that requires a surgery to address the overall mental well-being, should be covered by medicare or the government. Trans or no trans this is to improve someone’s mental health and should not be count as beauty surgery, there is a big difference. Even at my home country IRAN part of the expenses are covered by government for trans people and this is just embarrassing for western countries.
Absolutely. I agree with that and it’s a good point
It would need to be applied in a generic way though. I feel based on the article it feels like they’re asking for special treatment.
That being said not everything that causes distress actually matters. I used to care about things like even my hair cut. I used to be extremely self conscious.
Growing up now, I realise it doesn’t actually matter and I’m actually fairly happy with myself (in fact, I just ended up shaving my head lol and don’t care that anyone finds it stupid anymore lol).
Another point though would be whilst a very large amount of money might make a small number of people happy, the same money could also be spent to promote inclusion for all trans people and lead to better outcomes.
But I’ve never asked my trans friend what she thinks (so I do accept my opinion could be plain wrong).
I used to care about things like even my hair cut. I used to be extremely self conscious.
That is nothing like dysphoria, and your equating of the two experience indicates a very significant lack of understanding of the trans experience.
I’m trans, and I used to be self conscious about my hair, but it didn’t cause me pain or dysphoria. Then I transitioned, and after surgeries and hormones, my body finally felt the way it should, no more pain or dysphoria. Guess what though, I’m still self conscious about my hair, because it’s entirely unrelated to my experience as a trans person…
You seem to be implying that BDD only affects Trans people… Just so you know, I was actually depressed for a lot of my life (and yes, there is lots of surgery, or medical assistance I could have done to improve that. I was actually voted the quietest person in my school). I didn’t get a date until I was 20 because of lack of confidence.
Here in Australia though, not sure about US/Canada, but it’s worth noting most therapies are covered with the exception of some cosmetic: https://www.drmichaelkernohan.com.au/blogs/will-medicare-cover-gender-affirmation-surgery/ . Even HRT is covered. The difference appears to be that Adam Apple does seem covered in Australia… I feel that should be there too though.
In the case of the article, there’s nothing that has stopped her getting HRT and everything else covered. There’s no laws stopping her getting cosmetic surgery. She simply doesn’t want to pay for that component (and a huge amount of the cosmetic component is already probably covered technically). I don’t feel there would be no fair way to provide facial cosmetic surgery without basically covering all cosmetic surgery for free. As I’m not sure how you’d even define what is covered by it
What kind of cosmetic surgery specifically do you believe should be covered for free?
Hey dude, this is a trans space. You should not barge in and start fighting trans people. That’s not nice be(e)havior. If you want to engage with people you don’t understand, you need to do so by treating them with good faith and listen to them.
Incase you’ve failed to notice, were in the midst of a global incitement of hatred towards trans people.
I’m going to suggest to you that just maybe, if trans people wanting to escape that hatred makes people hate them more, then the problem isn’t the trans person
I have at least one trans friend and many gay friends (mainly from climbing).
I know it’s not a popular opinion but I agree taxpayers shouldn’t cover it, as it’s referring to physical characteristics. One could otherwise make the argument that breast enhancement surgery, hair transplants for beards or penis enlargement surgery should be covered too.
I’d even argue that allowing this would even cause more division in the community honestly (so it’s not even a good thing for the lgbtiq community possibly)
Honestly, I’m not the most handsome guy either, but I wouldn’t expect free plastic surgery either.
I think this is fair… I wish her the best though
“I think this is the fair, and I wish her a lifetime of endless discrimination from people who are transphobic to identifiable trans people”
I’m not a big guy and I got bullied in high school.
I’ve been made fun of for a patchy beard too.
Lots of women I know felt insecure because of small breasts. Lots of them believe they’d be more attractive with a different butt
I know Indian people here who had to put up with racism.
The reality is, there are always assholes out there, but the best thing to do is to find people to accept you. Assholes will always be assholes and will always use people’s features to bully
I know you think you’re helping, but I suspect this would create a massive backlash and incite hatred towards trans people. Trans people will still need to put up with assholes, but will also have to spend their lives proving that they’re not looking for special treatment and free handouts (ie. Something like this could hurt them more).
The trans person I know is obviously trans too but actually has a huge amount of friends and is the nicest person I know. She also seems successful too. Something like this would actually work negatively against her.
@Auzy If something causing immense distress to someone that requires a surgery to address the overall mental well-being, should be covered by medicare or the government. Trans or no trans this is to improve someone’s mental health and should not be count as beauty surgery, there is a big difference. Even at my home country IRAN part of the expenses are covered by government for trans people and this is just embarrassing for western countries.
Absolutely. I agree with that and it’s a good point
It would need to be applied in a generic way though. I feel based on the article it feels like they’re asking for special treatment.
That being said not everything that causes distress actually matters. I used to care about things like even my hair cut. I used to be extremely self conscious.
Growing up now, I realise it doesn’t actually matter and I’m actually fairly happy with myself (in fact, I just ended up shaving my head lol and don’t care that anyone finds it stupid anymore lol).
Another point though would be whilst a very large amount of money might make a small number of people happy, the same money could also be spent to promote inclusion for all trans people and lead to better outcomes.
But I’ve never asked my trans friend what she thinks (so I do accept my opinion could be plain wrong).
That is nothing like dysphoria, and your equating of the two experience indicates a very significant lack of understanding of the trans experience.
I’m trans, and I used to be self conscious about my hair, but it didn’t cause me pain or dysphoria. Then I transitioned, and after surgeries and hormones, my body finally felt the way it should, no more pain or dysphoria. Guess what though, I’m still self conscious about my hair, because it’s entirely unrelated to my experience as a trans person…
Why isn’t that an example of BDD? https://bdd.iocdf.org/professionals/signs-symptoms/
You seem to be implying that BDD only affects Trans people… Just so you know, I was actually depressed for a lot of my life (and yes, there is lots of surgery, or medical assistance I could have done to improve that. I was actually voted the quietest person in my school). I didn’t get a date until I was 20 because of lack of confidence.
Here in Australia though, not sure about US/Canada, but it’s worth noting most therapies are covered with the exception of some cosmetic: https://www.drmichaelkernohan.com.au/blogs/will-medicare-cover-gender-affirmation-surgery/ . Even HRT is covered. The difference appears to be that Adam Apple does seem covered in Australia… I feel that should be there too though.
In the case of the article, there’s nothing that has stopped her getting HRT and everything else covered. There’s no laws stopping her getting cosmetic surgery. She simply doesn’t want to pay for that component (and a huge amount of the cosmetic component is already probably covered technically). I don’t feel there would be no fair way to provide facial cosmetic surgery without basically covering all cosmetic surgery for free. As I’m not sure how you’d even define what is covered by it
What kind of cosmetic surgery specifically do you believe should be covered for free?
Hey dude, this is a trans space. You should not barge in and start fighting trans people. That’s not nice be(e)havior. If you want to engage with people you don’t understand, you need to do so by treating them with good faith and listen to them.
Hey, thanks for addressing this with ur fellow instance member. I’m always super impressed at how nice y’all are :3
Incase you’ve failed to notice, were in the midst of a global incitement of hatred towards trans people.
I’m going to suggest to you that just maybe, if trans people wanting to escape that hatred makes people hate them more, then the problem isn’t the trans person