Cosmetic surgery relates to appearance. Transition related surgeries relate to dysphoria
Someone with damaged teeth would disagree with you because of appearance, health, social and mental impact of living with and having to hide damaged teeth.
Both my partner and myself both have damaged teeth. It’s nothing like that
Arguing trans healthcare should always come first because you prefer it in your situation is a shit argument.
I don’t need it. I was fortunate enough to be able to self fund my own surgeries. But doing so has had long lasting effects on my financial security.
Notably, I didn’t spend that money on teeth or any other cosmetic issues, because it’s not even remotely the same. Spending my future to make my teeth look better would be a poor choice.
Spending my future to deal with my dysphoria was what I had to do to ensure that I had a future.
No offence but comments like this are only harmful to our community, and I know saying this might not change your mind on anything, but I’d feel wrong if I didn’t ask.
Don’t try to speak for all of us, I know many of us have been treated horribly for years simply because who we are, and as fucked as that is it doesn’t make it ok to put your trauma above others, in a way that may be affected by your personal bias.
The queer community has always been about outsiders, arguably even more so than simply about sex or gender, and in that vein I couldnt go to bed comfortably if I could gaurentee ffs to some of our sisters while leaving millions in constant physical pain, just like I feel looking in the mirror every day.
This is class warfare, not bum fights in an alleyway - cause we all know the upper class has rock solid solidarity, and we don’t stand a chance until we do as well.
Where did they take it to an individual sense? You’re being a “pickme” and arguing for respectability politics. I vehemently disagree that trans people need to make ourselves and our rights palatable to non-queer folks.
Pickme to me means someone that always tries to steal the spotlight, an individual (though I’m not too up to date on my buzzwords admittedly).
I also agree trans people don’t need to cater to others, but also we don’t need to be dicks cause yeah that’s just gonna enforce peoples bias’ - leave that shit to reddit/twitter.
Yes, and as it applies to talking about respectability politics, it refers to someone who goes out of their way to make themselves palatable to non-queer people for the purposes of being “one of the good ones”.
And you’re still doing it with this “leave that shit” line. Like, I don’t go out of my way to be a dick to folks that are genuinely curious and want to learn more. But someone who waltzes into a space that’s for trans people and runs their mouth? No, I will not be polite to them. Telling me I should has the same energy as an old man telling a woman to “smile more”. So, please kindly f*ck off.
A type 1 diabetic with ruined teeth would likely disagree with you on priorities.
Having a mouth full of rotting teeth is painful, unattractive and can cause severe distress and social isolation, even depression.
It can also contribute to other severe medical problems such as a massively increased risk of heart attack.
You are putting your own struggles first and foremost while dismissing the pain and sufferring of others.
I am saying neither people with dental problems or trans people should be denied healthcare, you are saying
my problems are more important so only my problems should be dealt with
I am disagreeing with your argument because it dismisses a genuine and serious form of medical care that should be afforded to all who need it.
Trans surgeries are not “cosmetic”.
The Mayo clinic, which is a respected source, disagrees with you on at least one of the surgeries being sought.
Speaking as a trans person,
Your experience is valid.
access to trans healthcare is far more important to me than dental healthcare.
And you shouldn’t dismiss the experiences and needs of others.
I am not going to debate shit with cis in the transgender comm.
Universal classifications of procedures are a tool for denying care inside a fucked up healthcare system, we all agree that our healthcare system is fucked. Nobody is saying that dental care shouldn’t also be a priority and it’s insulting having cis dumbasses roll up to try to be like "um aktually I’m simply citing sources at you "
Since you’re citing a US source, the medical system here is set up by insurance companies to deny care by classifying things as requiring specific diagnosis and all that does is restrict access to everyone and artificially drive up costs to benefit the profiteers. It’s also often structured to be incredibly harmful to poor people who need the care that’s being denied.
how many brain cells do you have? 2? 3? she said her partner has fucked teeth. they consider FFS more important. does that mean they dont want their fucked teeth fixed? NO. jesus fuck, get out of here you cis garbage
Cosmetic surgery relates to appearance. Transition related surgeries relate to dysphoria
Both my partner and myself both have damaged teeth. It’s nothing like that
I don’t need it. I was fortunate enough to be able to self fund my own surgeries. But doing so has had long lasting effects on my financial security.
Notably, I didn’t spend that money on teeth or any other cosmetic issues, because it’s not even remotely the same. Spending my future to make my teeth look better would be a poor choice.
Spending my future to deal with my dysphoria was what I had to do to ensure that I had a future.
You’re not getting it.
In a discussion about healthcare and insurance coverage this should not be one or the other.
Yeah, the trans person, talking about first hand experiences navigating this exact topic is the one who doesn’t get it…
No offence but comments like this are only harmful to our community, and I know saying this might not change your mind on anything, but I’d feel wrong if I didn’t ask.
Don’t try to speak for all of us, I know many of us have been treated horribly for years simply because who we are, and as fucked as that is it doesn’t make it ok to put your trauma above others, in a way that may be affected by your personal bias.
The queer community has always been about outsiders, arguably even more so than simply about sex or gender, and in that vein I couldnt go to bed comfortably if I could gaurentee ffs to some of our sisters while leaving millions in constant physical pain, just like I feel looking in the mirror every day.
This is class warfare, not bum fights in an alleyway - cause we all know the upper class has rock solid solidarity, and we don’t stand a chance until we do as well.
fuck off with this pickme shit
I appreciate how you took ‘our’ in an individual sense, it takes a certain level of mental warping to achieve
Where did they take it to an individual sense? You’re being a “pickme” and arguing for respectability politics. I vehemently disagree that trans people need to make ourselves and our rights palatable to non-queer folks.
Pickme to me means someone that always tries to steal the spotlight, an individual (though I’m not too up to date on my buzzwords admittedly).
I also agree trans people don’t need to cater to others, but also we don’t need to be dicks cause yeah that’s just gonna enforce peoples bias’ - leave that shit to reddit/twitter.
I’m absolutely going to be a dick to cis people invading our space. I do hope you get over this hangup though
Yes, and as it applies to talking about respectability politics, it refers to someone who goes out of their way to make themselves palatable to non-queer people for the purposes of being “one of the good ones”.
And you’re still doing it with this “leave that shit” line. Like, I don’t go out of my way to be a dick to folks that are genuinely curious and want to learn more. But someone who waltzes into a space that’s for trans people and runs their mouth? No, I will not be polite to them. Telling me I should has the same energy as an old man telling a woman to “smile more”. So, please kindly f*ck off.
Transition surgery is healthcare, not cosmetic. That’s all I said.
This idea that trans healthcare trumps other healthcare needs is something the person I was talking to said, not something I said
We got more mods on this comm now, all debatebros will be purged
Appreciated!
I see, sorry to have read your intentions wrong and I agree with you.
Mostly I just wish Ontario would get its head out of its 1%'s ass and give us healthcare instead of this freenium bullshit
A type 1 diabetic with ruined teeth would likely disagree with you on priorities. Having a mouth full of rotting teeth is painful, unattractive and can cause severe distress and social isolation, even depression.
It can also contribute to other severe medical problems such as a massively increased risk of heart attack.
You are putting your own struggles first and foremost while dismissing the pain and sufferring of others. I am saying neither people with dental problems or trans people should be denied healthcare, you are saying
I am disagreeing with your argument because it dismisses a genuine and serious form of medical care that should be afforded to all who need it.
The Mayo clinic, which is a respected source, disagrees with you on at least one of the surgeries being sought.
Your experience is valid.
And you shouldn’t dismiss the experiences and needs of others.
Love getting shit gate kept by fucking assholes, eat my entire ass
Healthcare is only rationed out out the way that it is because profiteering middle men make money by denying care
Citing a reputable source regarding the classification of a surgical procedure isn’t gatekeeping.
I am not going to debate shit with cis in the transgender comm.
Universal classifications of procedures are a tool for denying care inside a fucked up healthcare system, we all agree that our healthcare system is fucked. Nobody is saying that dental care shouldn’t also be a priority and it’s insulting having cis dumbasses roll up to try to be like "um aktually I’m simply citing sources at you "
Since you’re citing a US source, the medical system here is set up by insurance companies to deny care by classifying things as requiring specific diagnosis and all that does is restrict access to everyone and artificially drive up costs to benefit the profiteers. It’s also often structured to be incredibly harmful to poor people who need the care that’s being denied.
That’s my partner. Her teeth are absolutely on the list, but transition care is above it.
…and you still think dental shouldn’t be covered?
What aren’t you grasping about both of these things beeing freely available as the best option?
how many brain cells do you have? 2? 3? she said her partner has fucked teeth. they consider FFS more important. does that mean they dont want their fucked teeth fixed? NO. jesus fuck, get out of here you cis garbage
There are degrees of damage, but that’s not the point.
Like I said; it was an argument they shouldn’t have made because it is fundamentally flawed.
Just because people have hurt you does not mean you need to lash out like this. It does you no favours, and you should do better.
Again, with allies like these who needs enemies.
fuck off. youre in a trans space as a cis person. you shouldnt be here.