Russia has lost 87% of its deployed troops by recent estimates, so fortunately it’s increasingly looking like the only way Russia can “win” is by saving face and removing their troops from occupied Ukrainian territories, including Crimea.
Thank you for reiterating and assisting getting this important message across. 315,000 casualties is no joke. This needless loss is directly attributable to Russian aggression.
The capabilities of Ukraine to be able to make these assessments are lacking due to the chaos Russian forces decided to bring to their country. I would take their numbers with a grain of salt, requiring corroboration, however the true numbers likeli lie somewhere in the middle of the highest and lowest casualty counts emminated by intelligence.
I really don’t mean this in a condescending way, and I understand why someone consuming certain kinds of media might think this… but this is truly delusional. So wildly at odds with the reality of the situation that you would probably be better served just not reading about the conflict at all than by reading whatever it is you’ve been reading.
I intake media from all sides, it’s important to know the scope of propaganda coming from every outlet. Fortunately there’s enough sources to corroborate the information I’ve relayed here. For the Russian propaganda machine, the same cannot be said. How’s Prigozhin doing?
Propaganda is rhetoric designed to produce support for or against particular decisions/actions. Russian propaganda is shaped to meet Putin’s goals, but easily disproven and consistently, blatantly false.
I’m spurring debate in a conflict ridden world. It’s important to understand and discuss all sides, but to maintain an understanding of historical context to guide this discourse.
Russia clearly won, but even if your interjection is plausible. Not if we (Arabs) succeed in dragging the US into another losing war in the Middle East. They are already abandoning Ukraine for Israel. Just imagine if we managed to get troops in Yemen. The US is exercising restraint with Yemen for a reason, already spread too thin and just came out of two losing wars, and we will keep triggering it until it bites.
Not really, the US has been pumping the breaks on Israeli aid because of the indiscriminate bombings in Gaza. The US believes the civilians in Gaza have a right to their territory as a 2 state solution is desired.
The US is bankrolling the genocide and vetoed the ceasefire. Who are you lying to?
The US and its interests are a fair and legitimate targets because of its involvement and complicity in the genocide.
As a defensive partner it makes sense to continue to provide aid and arms to Israel for defensive purposes, which includes the removal of a condemned terrorist organization as the acting government of the Gaza strip. This does not reduce or remove the US effort to provide aid and humanitarian support to the citizens of Gaza. A 2 state solution remains the policy of the United States, even if this is a foil with both Hamas and the Netantahu government.
I want you to consider this comment and compare it to your previous comment above. You said that the US is reducing spending on Israel because of Israel’s brutal actions. Then when it was pointed out to you that they in fact were doing the opposite, your response was not to then say “wow, that’s really shitty of them” but instead to try and justify their actions to yourself.
Have you no brain? No heart? No soul? No spine? Is this really the person you want to be? Someone licking the boot of the dickhead politicians in Washington so much that you’ll abandon any and all morals to do so? It’s ok to be mad at your government when they do shitty things, even if they are “your team.”
You wouldn’t say this if it was Russia bombing Ukrainians. I’m gonna blame this on racism against Arabs. No other reason to describe the murder of 18,000 civilians and the bombing of schools and hospitals as defensive.
condemned terrorist organization
Citation needed.
According to Wikipedia the countries that consider it as terrorist are only than 13% of the world’s population. That doesn’t seem like much condemnation when 87% of the world aren’t on board.
And the Palestinians are bombed where? in the skies? they are being bombed on their own land that was stolen from them, and in the refugee camps they are forced to live in. Internally displaced on their own land.
literally yesterday. I know you’re trying to still believe the US Government/Biden has any morality here but they don’t. Stop listening to the lies of politicians, you are being misled and now you’re spreading disinformation in service of ethnic cleansing and imperialism.
Actions are more important than words. The U.S. is going out of its way to expedite the artillery needed to continue Israel’s indiscriminate bombing of civillians in its ongoing genocidal campaign against Palestinians.
Please I am begging you do not take these organizations at face value- read what the poster above you sent and recognize the distance between the statement “You need to comply with international law more closely” and the action: here is a way for us to get you bombs for you to use more quickly.
If on one hand part of the state apparatus is signaling for “restraint” but the state is accelerating its ability to provide weapons that its calling for restraint in use of the actual stance is clear: what you’re doing is fine by the state.
It’s alright, we can agree to disagree. Biden has criticized the Netanyahu government for their treatment of Palestinians. More should be done to ensure their safety, hence the conditial provisions of arms, but the United States policy stance has clear ambitions for a 2 state solution. Neither Hamas, nor the Netantahu government are okay with this, however it remains the United States ambition. I truly hope we can see this conflict resolved in my lifetime.
Did anyone ever tell you the saying “actions speak louder than words” as a kid? Now apply that to state actors. No matter what words their US uses, no matter their criticism, their actions are very clear.
You still haven’t been able to back up your claim that the USA is putting the breaks on it’s aid of Isreal because of the genocide. All you’ve done is point to the US going “we’d like it if you slowed down on the genocide, but we’ll 100 support you if you don’t” and tried to equivocate that as being the same, when it really isn’t.
I said pumping the breaks. There’s still legitimate concern for the removal of Hamas as the acting government of Gaza. Neither Hamas, nor the Netantahu backed Israeli government want a 2 state solution, however this remains the US states policy. Whoever can broker a deal that affirms a 2 state solution here will hopefully produce meaningful change towards this conflict.
As far as I’m aware, the US has not fired any weapons on Gaza soil. There’s been some defensive strikes to the north in Lebanon, but that’s it. Seems like a stretch to call the United States complicit when it’s goals do not align with the Netantahu government.
And they’ll keep receiving said money because the majority of the United Nations believes Russia is the aggressor. Allowing an aggressor to overtake soverign land is a big no-no to the UN.
Allowing an aggressor to overtake soverign land is a big no-no to the UN
Which is why Israel was stopped from annexing East Jerusalem and the West Bank right? It also explains why the US was not allowed to invade and occupy Syria.
While this may be a desired goal of Netanyahus government, his support by Israelis is dwindling. Let’s not forget Hamas’s desired goals too. In the future, hopefully a more progressive Israeli government echos the United States policy more closely for a 2 state solution.
I’m not sure what a comm is, I’m just commenting on a thread that appears in my “Hot” list. That sounds distasteful and warmongering. I don’t think violence or death threats should ever be supported. Hopefully humanity can learn from this disgusting statement. A defensive pact, which NATO is, does not apply aggression towards sovereign nations.
Thank you for recognizing dangerous Russian propaganda and the fact that Ukaine does not have full access to their soverign land to make fully accurate assessments. If the aggressor wee to leave occupied territory, then I believe these numbers would come down a bit, however it’s clear Russia has lost considerably fighting this “special operation” in another countries soverign territory.
If you seriously believe that 87% of russian troops have been lost you need to take a long hard look at why you think that’s true. Like think about it, if theyve lost that many troops then why haven’t the battle lines shifted in any meaningful way basically all year ? Why is there no outrage and overflowing graveyards, or increased mobilization in Russia if thats the case ?
Seriously like whatever side of the conflict you’re on aside, if you want any intellectual credibility you gotta think about that one
Deployed troops, not troop reserves. The estimates are fairly accurate and have been fact checked by multiple intelligence groups. There’s burn pits for the bodies of dead Russians, don’t exactly need a graveyard when they go up in smoke.
Which intelligence groups? Surely ones with actual credibility, right? Not the ones that lied about Iraq having weapons of mass destruction. Not the ones that lied about covid being a Chinese bioweapon while murdering their own citizens because doing something to protect people from covid would reduce profits. Not the ones that lied about Hamas beheading babies. Any intelligence group that ever spread any of those lies has zero credibility.
Russia has lost 87% of its deployed troops by recent estimates, so fortunately it’s increasingly looking like the only way Russia can “win” is by saving face and removing their troops from occupied Ukrainian territories, including Crimea.
Actually, they lost 114.7% of all deployed troops by recent estimates: https://www.minusrus.com/en
… that sounds plausible right?
I’m not sure why you’re citing a false statistic. Doesn’t really communicate much to me.
Thank you for reiterating and assisting getting this important message across. 315,000 casualties is no joke. This needless loss is directly attributable to Russian aggression.
Least bad faith fascist.
It’s because it comes from the Ukrainian ministry of defense, it’s official Ukrainian data
The capabilities of Ukraine to be able to make these assessments are lacking due to the chaos Russian forces decided to bring to their country. I would take their numbers with a grain of salt, requiring corroboration, however the true numbers likeli lie somewhere in the middle of the highest and lowest casualty counts emminated by intelligence.
You’re starting with a conclusion and working backwards.
I really don’t mean this in a condescending way, and I understand why someone consuming certain kinds of media might think this… but this is truly delusional. So wildly at odds with the reality of the situation that you would probably be better served just not reading about the conflict at all than by reading whatever it is you’ve been reading.
I intake media from all sides, it’s important to know the scope of propaganda coming from every outlet. Fortunately there’s enough sources to corroborate the information I’ve relayed here. For the Russian propaganda machine, the same cannot be said. How’s Prigozhin doing?
What do you understand as propaganda? And how do you designate what is and what isnt (If you do)
Propaganda is rhetoric designed to produce support for or against particular decisions/actions. Russian propaganda is shaped to meet Putin’s goals, but easily disproven and consistently, blatantly false.
Sounds kinda like kinda what you’re trying to do here. Would you agree?
I’m spurring debate in a conflict ridden world. It’s important to understand and discuss all sides, but to maintain an understanding of historical context to guide this discourse.
How do you differentiate between propaganda and “spurring debate”?
Propaganda generally originates from a state and is one sided. Debate can originate between any two individuals.
As usual:
Russia clearly won, but even if your interjection is plausible. Not if we (Arabs) succeed in dragging the US into another losing war in the Middle East. They are already abandoning Ukraine for Israel. Just imagine if we managed to get troops in Yemen. The US is exercising restraint with Yemen for a reason, already spread too thin and just came out of two losing wars, and we will keep triggering it until it bites.
Not really, the US has been pumping the breaks on Israeli aid because of the indiscriminate bombings in Gaza. The US believes the civilians in Gaza have a right to their territory as a 2 state solution is desired.
The US is bankrolling the genocide and vetoed the ceasefire. Who are you lying to? The US and its interests are a fair and legitimate targets because of its involvement and complicity in the genocide.
Joe Biden Moves to Lift Nearly Every Restriction on Israel’s Access to U.S. Weapons Stockpile https://theintercept.com/2023/11/25/biden-israel-weapons-stockpile-arms-gaza/
Don’t be fooled. Biden is fully signed up to ethnic cleansing in Gaza https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/israel-palestine-war-gaza-biden-fully-signed-up-genocide
As a defensive partner it makes sense to continue to provide aid and arms to Israel for defensive purposes, which includes the removal of a condemned terrorist organization as the acting government of the Gaza strip. This does not reduce or remove the US effort to provide aid and humanitarian support to the citizens of Gaza. A 2 state solution remains the policy of the United States, even if this is a foil with both Hamas and the Netantahu government.
I want you to consider this comment and compare it to your previous comment above. You said that the US is reducing spending on Israel because of Israel’s brutal actions. Then when it was pointed out to you that they in fact were doing the opposite, your response was not to then say “wow, that’s really shitty of them” but instead to try and justify their actions to yourself.
Have you no brain? No heart? No soul? No spine? Is this really the person you want to be? Someone licking the boot of the dickhead politicians in Washington so much that you’ll abandon any and all morals to do so? It’s ok to be mad at your government when they do shitty things, even if they are “your team.”
You wouldn’t say this if it was Russia bombing Ukrainians. I’m gonna blame this on racism against Arabs. No other reason to describe the murder of 18,000 civilians and the bombing of schools and hospitals as defensive.
Citation needed.
According to Wikipedia the countries that consider it as terrorist are only than 13% of the world’s population. That doesn’t seem like much condemnation when 87% of the world aren’t on board.
Russia has been and is currently bombing Ukrainians on sovereign land. Pretty easy to learn this tidbit of information.
And the Palestinians are bombed where? in the skies? they are being bombed on their own land that was stolen from them, and in the refugee camps they are forced to live in. Internally displaced on their own land.
Was this supposed to draw a response? Can you reiterate your question?
PENTAGON TAPS “TIGER TEAM” TO RUSH WEAPONS TO ISRAEL
literally yesterday. I know you’re trying to still believe the US Government/Biden has any morality here but they don’t. Stop listening to the lies of politicians, you are being misled and now you’re spreading disinformation in service of ethnic cleansing and imperialism.
I’ll just leave this here: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/politics/blinken-urges-israel-to-comply-with-international-law-and-spare-civilians-in-war-against-hamas
Actions are more important than words. The U.S. is going out of its way to expedite the artillery needed to continue Israel’s indiscriminate bombing of civillians in its ongoing genocidal campaign against Palestinians.
Please I am begging you do not take these organizations at face value- read what the poster above you sent and recognize the distance between the statement “You need to comply with international law more closely” and the action: here is a way for us to get you bombs for you to use more quickly.
If on one hand part of the state apparatus is signaling for “restraint” but the state is accelerating its ability to provide weapons that its calling for restraint in use of the actual stance is clear: what you’re doing is fine by the state.
It’s alright, we can agree to disagree. Biden has criticized the Netanyahu government for their treatment of Palestinians. More should be done to ensure their safety, hence the conditial provisions of arms, but the United States policy stance has clear ambitions for a 2 state solution. Neither Hamas, nor the Netantahu government are okay with this, however it remains the United States ambition. I truly hope we can see this conflict resolved in my lifetime.
Did anyone ever tell you the saying “actions speak louder than words” as a kid? Now apply that to state actors. No matter what words their US uses, no matter their criticism, their actions are very clear.
This really opened my mind, thank you. It’s wild what westerners will want to believe. I’m assuming that lemmy isn’t big enough for bots yet.
“You stop killing people now, ok?”, I said to the active shooter after handing them an AK-47 and 2000 rounds of munition, as well as hand grenades.
I’m glad I could help to open your mind to change! I appreciate the thoughtful debate, we need more of this in public discourse!
You still haven’t been able to back up your claim that the USA is putting the breaks on it’s aid of Isreal because of the genocide. All you’ve done is point to the US going “we’d like it if you slowed down on the genocide, but we’ll 100 support you if you don’t” and tried to equivocate that as being the same, when it really isn’t.
I said pumping the breaks. There’s still legitimate concern for the removal of Hamas as the acting government of Gaza. Neither Hamas, nor the Netantahu backed Israeli government want a 2 state solution, however this remains the US states policy. Whoever can broker a deal that affirms a 2 state solution here will hopefully produce meaningful change towards this conflict.
20,000 Palestinians are dead because of Joe Biden. You can’t spin it any other way. The US under Biden is guilty of genocide.
As far as I’m aware, the US has not fired any weapons on Gaza soil. There’s been some defensive strikes to the north in Lebanon, but that’s it. Seems like a stretch to call the United States complicit when it’s goals do not align with the Netantahu government.
Who needs to save face? Ukraine has become the world’s street ***** begging everyone for money wherever it goes.
And they’ll keep receiving said money because the majority of the United Nations believes Russia is the aggressor. Allowing an aggressor to overtake soverign land is a big no-no to the UN.
Which is why Israel was stopped from annexing East Jerusalem and the West Bank right? It also explains why the US was not allowed to invade and occupy Syria.
While this may be a desired goal of Netanyahus government, his support by Israelis is dwindling. Let’s not forget Hamas’s desired goals too. In the future, hopefully a more progressive Israeli government echos the United States policy more closely for a 2 state solution.
The United States does not believe in a two state solution and neither do I, death to Israel
Please refrain from the use of this hateful language. It does not promote thoughtful debate.
did you look at the name of the comm?
unlimited death to israel, nato, america, eu, japan, worst korea, the moon and mosquitos
I’m not sure what a comm is, I’m just commenting on a thread that appears in my “Hot” list. That sounds distasteful and warmongering. I don’t think violence or death threats should ever be supported. Hopefully humanity can learn from this disgusting statement. A defensive pact, which NATO is, does not apply aggression towards sovereign nations.
Source?
Lol
All it takes is a short read of UN documents, go ahead and read. I’ll leave this here to guide you: https://www.un.org/securitycouncil/sites/www.un.org.securitycouncil/files/part_i_2022_mps_of_ukraine_0.pdf
Cite the part that supports your claim.
This is dangerous Russian propaganda because according to the Ukrainian ministry of defense they actually lost over 100%
They also destroyed over 100% of tanks and artillery, the videos of Russian tanks advancing is actually Kremlin dezinformatsiya AI generated fakes
Thank you for recognizing dangerous Russian propaganda and the fact that Ukaine does not have full access to their soverign land to make fully accurate assessments. If the aggressor wee to leave occupied territory, then I believe these numbers would come down a bit, however it’s clear Russia has lost considerably fighting this “special operation” in another countries soverign territory.
do you have any self-respect
Do you really believe that?
Yes, it’s been facted checked by multiple intelligence organizations.
Do you really not experience a moments pause writing this?
Mindfulness and meditation is key to a calm mind.
Holy fucking shit. Liberalism distilled to an NPC.
Feigning illiteracy is not as clever as you seem to think.
so you don’t actually have evidence for this, you just believe the word of the people that have been lying to you for decades straight
It’s not hard to intake information from many sources. Some sources are easier to disprove based on claims.
Too hard for you though
If you seriously believe that 87% of russian troops have been lost you need to take a long hard look at why you think that’s true. Like think about it, if theyve lost that many troops then why haven’t the battle lines shifted in any meaningful way basically all year ? Why is there no outrage and overflowing graveyards, or increased mobilization in Russia if thats the case ?
Seriously like whatever side of the conflict you’re on aside, if you want any intellectual credibility you gotta think about that one
Deployed troops, not troop reserves. The estimates are fairly accurate and have been fact checked by multiple intelligence groups. There’s burn pits for the bodies of dead Russians, don’t exactly need a graveyard when they go up in smoke.
Which intelligence groups? Surely ones with actual credibility, right? Not the ones that lied about Iraq having weapons of mass destruction. Not the ones that lied about covid being a Chinese bioweapon while murdering their own citizens because doing something to protect people from covid would reduce profits. Not the ones that lied about Hamas beheading babies. Any intelligence group that ever spread any of those lies has zero credibility.