“Meanwhile, most of protestors in Tel Aviv are wary of making this connection and are horrified by speakers who try to connect the palpable risk to democracy with the occupation of the territories or the waving of Palestinian flags in protest. However, the moment may well come when they too will recognize that there is no democracy alongside occupation.”
Haven’t I been reiterating my support and official US policy for a 2 state solution?
Israel isn’t a real state, it’s a neoimperialist attack dog that occasionally forgets its leash. It’s theft and murder incarnate. If you really consider historical context to be important and still hold to a two-state solution as the ideal outcome, then I’m sorry, you’re lacking a great deal of historical context and haven’t the right to invoke it here.
Unfortunately the stain of religion has caused the fruition of needless casualties throughout the centuries. As the world becomes more atheistic over time due to the nature of scientic discovery, my hopes for change grow.
Broadly speaking, religion is not diminished by scientific discovery, it is diminished by people’s material needs being met and their prospects looking good. Our friend Marx called that one a long time ago, but modern studies on secularization say the same thing.
But Israel/Palestine is not about religion except as a smokescreen. It is about race, specifically an overwhelmingly white population of settler colonists creating and expanding an ethnostate. The aggrievement of the Palestinians is not that Jews exist, but that their homes were taken and their family members and friends were butchered like animals.
Alright, I mean this in the kindest way possible, you have no idea what you’re talking about. I don’t have the time required nor the desire to rectify that, so I’ll simply say that you’ve spent a regrettable amount of time here embarrassing yourself in front of people who know substantially more about history and politics than you do. Trying to debate communists on those subjects at all is generally a bad idea, but to do so armed only with natsec PR and mystery statistics is something else.
I mean personally I support communism, but I have yet to see it implemented without authoritarian influence. The Native Americans have a pretty decent communal system, which the US should learn from.
“Meanwhile, most of protestors in Tel Aviv are wary of making this connection and are horrified by speakers who try to connect the palpable risk to democracy with the occupation of the territories or the waving of Palestinian flags in protest. However, the moment may well come when they too will recognize that there is no democracy alongside occupation.”
Haven’t I been reiterating my support and official US policy for a 2 state solution?
Why would Palestinians need two states?
Palestinians would want two states so they can govern themselves in a sovereign nation, while concurrently Israel can do the same.
Palestinians need a state I agree, not sure what the second state would be for
Most of the world already recognized Palestinian statehood by the way, not the US or the civilized and european west though
The second state would be the counterpart to Palestine in a 2 state solution. Based on historical context, this would be the Israeli government.
Israel isn’t a real state, it’s a neoimperialist attack dog that occasionally forgets its leash. It’s theft and murder incarnate. If you really consider historical context to be important and still hold to a two-state solution as the ideal outcome, then I’m sorry, you’re lacking a great deal of historical context and haven’t the right to invoke it here.
Unfortunately the stain of religion has caused the fruition of needless casualties throughout the centuries. As the world becomes more atheistic over time due to the nature of scientic discovery, my hopes for change grow.
Broadly speaking, religion is not diminished by scientific discovery, it is diminished by people’s material needs being met and their prospects looking good. Our friend Marx called that one a long time ago, but modern studies on secularization say the same thing.
But Israel/Palestine is not about religion except as a smokescreen. It is about race, specifically an overwhelmingly white population of settler colonists creating and expanding an ethnostate. The aggrievement of the Palestinians is not that Jews exist, but that their homes were taken and their family members and friends were butchered like animals.
Alright, I mean this in the kindest way possible, you have no idea what you’re talking about. I don’t have the time required nor the desire to rectify that, so I’ll simply say that you’ve spent a regrettable amount of time here embarrassing yourself in front of people who know substantially more about history and politics than you do. Trying to debate communists on those subjects at all is generally a bad idea, but to do so armed only with natsec PR and mystery statistics is something else.
I mean personally I support communism, but I have yet to see it implemented without authoritarian influence. The Native Americans have a pretty decent communal system, which the US should learn from.
While I am going to entertain your idea of 2-states, your government doesn’t and never did.
Based on official US policy, the support for a 2 state solution remains remarkably unchanged and clear.
Yet it still refuses to recognize the 2nd half of the 2-state solution. بقى احنا عبط
Oh well, we refuse to recognize Israel. It is a modern Crusader state and will go away when this phase of the Crusader Wars end.
If you don’t want to debate about the requirements for peace and stability, then I don’t have much more to discuss with you. Have a nice weekend!