You could post this in c/askchapo or lemmygrads question comm, for future reference. As others have said, here is fine too.

This reads to me like there was some context left out (I assume be accident), possibly communication difficulties that you weren’t aware of. I really need to think there were other things said or maybe wording that implied something you didn’t mean, or something like that, because it’s a very unnatural reaction.

If what you relayed is the full and accurate picture, the person you are talking to is hopelessly unstable and you did nothing wrong. In the future, to avoid stepping on landmines, it would probably be good to start with some less challenging questions to see how they respond before you give them a prompt as heavy as what you gave. A lot of people aren’t ready to be given such a challenge so abruptly, and might feel like they’ve been ambushed or “put on the spot”.

You haven’t done anything wrong. American hardcore liberals are genuinely the worst kind of person, perhaps even worse than the typical fascists due to their hysterical, performative, deranged faux-progressive fascism and holier-than-thou attitude, all of which combines to create a monstrosity that is incapable of relating to other human beings in a decent manner the second they are met with anything but subservient agreement.

If it helps, their antics will probably ensure that they get a place by the wall regardless of what comes next, whether it be socialism or barbarism, if they keep it up.

American politics are purely based on identity that this point. To the liberal mind, there are only two teams, and you’re on the other team unless you give your undying loyalty to your team.

I have so many coworkers who think me criticizing the sitting president or his heir to throne makes me a republican. Any possible grievance I have will be countered with “but trump will be worse?! Check mate.”

Every single person I know who spent a semester abroad is even more insufferable. They will talk about this trip to europe the rest of their life, inserting it into every conversation to give them a false sense of being well traveled.

Liberals are insecure. They reflexively start name-dropping news agencies, universities, dudes with British accents, or whatever they can so you affirm their beliefs and not a single one outside of their bubble. Also someone studying abroad typically has means so they were likely coddled their entire life (I am guessing here).

I ran into one recently that kept name dropping associated press and Reuters with regards to denouncing Palestinian resistance and their so called “violence” essentially justifying the genocide and saying such and such paper stated Iran tricked the resistance into Oct 7th. Dumb shit like that.

The worse revenge you can do to a liberal is ignore them. They hate that the same smugness they treat you with.

When you believe you’re working to save the world, you come to think that anyone who opposes you is a fool and react thusly.

Is this bait?

Edit: not that I don’t think liberals can be absolutely insane, but calling you a trump supporter when you aren’t even American is too on the nose

Cold-war propaganda that is fundamentally integrated into mainstream American culture that associates anything left of bombing the middle-east and lukewarm, meaningless platitudes is going to destroy the very fabric of the nation.

All true believer liberals are, ever notice that the biggest political party in america is ‘undecided’?

The deranged nature of american liberalism isnt lost on them either.

They act like the entire world is USA, thinks like them and has the exact same mindset and point of view as them, that’s why you’ll see bullshit about 4th July or elections from a country on the other side of the planet every single time even if you’re from Transnistria, Zimbabwe or Nauru. And they get extremely offended when you insult their war criminals, cops in this case, genocidal maniacs or slave owners(depending on whom you’re talking about) since they’re their national heroes and have a cult of personality but literally. Same thing with their shitty ass-wiper flag. This mentality is exclusive to them.

wait is this for real? they sound like a CIA bot. they are brainwashed. the US has the best propaganda in the world and definitely the largest propaganda budget.

In addition to the other responses, we don’t have much nuance in our political conversations. Partially because we hear the same thing repeatedly but also because other views don’t break into our bubble that often. It ends up framing everything much more like a script to be followed. If you’re challenging the “left-wing” candidate, you must be doing so from the stance of someone who supports the right-wing candidate. That’s the script. And very often, those roles come with baggage (eg, ‘trump supporter’, ‘misogynist’, etc.). So because you have put yourself in one of those roles/boxes, the script in their mind is being followed, and you’ve taken on that baggage.

You can see this in our media discussions as well. Who likes what movies, franchises, why, etc. Many people are unaware that they are acting this prescriptively, so we often talk past each other and rarely act in as good of faith as we think we are engaging in. Neo-liberalism is built on flexible word choices, slogans, and terms without meaning. This results in a lot of reverse terminology, empty words, and a clinging of identity and labels around more solid terms. The latter has the effect of simplifying people and positions into boxes that result in script-like behavior due to regurgitating known responses and interactions with people in that label over there. The implication that you might not fit that label demands an immediate and intense examination of the subject matter in a few seconds or risk not appearing smart/moral/etc. So not only is that a threat to their image, but it’s a lot of internal pressure in a short time—hince the response you got from them was very reflexive and combative.

Because most Americans have been fooled into thinking that all possible scenarios in politics are found by the two parties, as right as humanly possible are the Republicans and left as humanly possible are the Democrats with “moderates”* in between…

So any attack on Kamala means that you are literally MAGA.

• “American moderates” tend to know absolutely nothing whatsoever about politics. These people don’t even watch the news or follow politics at all but usually vote because they’re bored or some misplaced feeling of civic duty.

I will add something I haven’t seen here that may help.

First off, you’re in the right.

It’s possible that the wording and tone you used were different than this person usually deals with. Eastern Europeans in my experience are much more direct, in a way that can come off as aggressive- to Americans. Many if not most Americans are not used to this, they’re much more passive-aggressive, are used to changing up their word choice and tone with different audiences and subject matters, often trying to avoid confrontation. So saying your thoughts clearly to them may have actually seemed like you were attacking their beliefs. Challenging someone’s thought processes, especially around politics, is something Americans often don’t deal with outside of confrontation. You’re not supposed to think about that, you feel right or wrong. Interrogating what you believe to attempt to come up with a better political view is never spoken of here in the mainstream, that’s a very foreign concept I usually only see in leftists, go figure. Of course there are still many Americans that aren’t like this, but I thought I’d offer this up as a possibility.

Scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds.

The slightest inconvenience to liberals, including access to treats or vacations, makes them thirsty for blood. Well, thirstier because liberals tend to love bloodshed when it’s presented for their entertainment from embedded footage of war crimes on screens.

The contradictions are sharp enough now that simply acknowledging the terrible things the dems do/have done the past 4 years can provoke a full-blown chimp out. Trump Would Do Worse makes up the vast amount majority of everything I hear from them whenever they pester those like us who can no longer stomach the rat race. I think the reason they’re so aggro this cycle is because deep down they know that they don’t really have a leg to stand on beyond bluanon crap. They can’t accept that the fact that you simply can’t claim to be anti-cop and anti-genocide and then not only vote for them, not only stump for them, but also piss and moan when we refuse to. It stresses them out to address that contradiction and call it out for what it is, self-interested fascist apologia. This is what happens when your only perception of what fascism is comes from Spielberg movies and other holocaust oppression porn.

If I were you I would probably either ignore them or corner them if you’re already stuck in a conversation and ask point blank if non-American lives are worth sacrificing to them to get what they want: Trump crying on election day so they can gloat and over-post about it for the next 4 years and go back to being blind, deaf, and dumb to geopolitics (whilst pissing and moaning ineffectually about SCOTUS and congress every day).