It wouldn’t hurt to bring this up the next time someone tells you Trump is an anti-war candidate.
About right for the man who had to be told he couldn’t nuke a hurricane.
Ensuing global nuclear catastrophe? Don’t worry about it.
-Orange Dotard
I know someone who was born in Palestine (but spent most of his life in the US) who will be voting for Trump because, and these are his words, “I just think he’ll be better”.
Not even worth having the convo.
He knows Trump used ‘Palestinian’ as a slur, right?
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2024/06/trump-biden-debate-palestinian-israel/
Lmao. Insanity. Man is hella hyped on Russian propaganda. Did he forget about Jerusalem?
I doubt he is hopped on Russian propaganda. It comes from the fact that the Middle East was much more stable under Trump (who’s government did try to deescalate tension) versus Biden who called himself a Zionist and supplied weapons used to carry out a genocide.
Any “but… but” won’t ever make the above statement true regardless if Trump becoming president is the worse outcome for Palestine.
Trump’s attempt at making other Muslim countries make peace with Israel without properly addressing the Palestinian question is something Hamas cited as part of their ‘casus belli’, the reason they attacked Israel. They feared that if their supposed “allies” made peace, the Palestinian cause would be lost.
Trump didn’t really deescalate tensions, rather he provoked some (e.g. the embassy move) and he tried to ignore other rising tensions because addressing those would be too difficult. One can easily argue his actions were the indirect cause of the current mess.
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Hate to break it to you, but Trump is all in on that genocide. Plus there’s, you know, everything else that makes Trump terrible.
You’re obviously right, Trump is worse.
But it’s hard to deny the cold reality of your comment: You are openly supporting a politician who you admit is genocidal, and you are getting upvoted for it.
The “lesser of two evils” logic continues to deteriorate the quality of our candidates and their responsiveness to the wishes of the American people.
Do you see a way, in the future, to break out of this “lesser of two evils” death spiral? Or in 2032 will you be supporting Zombie Reagan(D) because he is less evil than Zombie Hitler®?
In our current system we don’t really have a choice. FPTP basically ensures there will only be two viable candidates and they’ll come from the established parties.
What you should have said was nothing.
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How can you say the rhetoric isn’t better when his rhetoric includes sending anyone who complains to Palestine to be killed with them? He’s literally threatened to kill you for complaining about the war. Had biden threatened to send you into the genocide fields for having the gaul to complain?
Good comment, but in case anyone is wondering,
“gall”, as in gall bladder, as in ‘strong stomach’. Gauls did get stereotyped by romans as complainers I guess.
Do not follow the orange turds advice.
Is it possible to filter post titles that start “trump says”?
there are rooms full of rich men looking to start ww3 so they can profit from it. trump is just parroting their desires
the us military budget literally never gets lowered even when they ask for it. but education, healthcare, anything helping human beings is always on the chopping block… always be cut back.
I don’t know about lowering military budget or education or healthcare budgets at all. The key seems to be the control what those funds are spent on, to funnel them to industries and beneficiaries who support the people who get voted into office.
I truly think the great majority of policy is set based on quid pro quo.
Even anti-abortion has many economical opportunities. Morning after pills will spike. Neighboring state abortion clinics will explode in business. Labor in areas where abortions by the poors is not available will see a growing demand in baby products and immediately and eventually a very low cost labor base to manufacture goods to sell elsewhere.
I do not believe politicians are dumb, on the contrary I think they have no sense of morality. The leadership of the party are vicious sociopathic megalomaniacs. They are experts at propaganda and manipulation via the media, where they work hand in hand with billionaire media owners.
Short and near term financial gains can buy you a ticket to salvation after the planet is ruined in 50-250 years. If they need to buy luxury proprety and loads of
slavesservants to retain their standing and quality of life, they are going to do that. If they are afraid of foreign powers taking control they have no issues starting proxy wars via russia or israel so the american people can spend hundreds of billions of dollars funding the military industrial complex contracts that them and their buddies benefit from, meanwhile sending the young high potential competitors to their children or grandchildren off to die on the front line.Anyway, the last thing they want to do is focus on taking care of the american people. IGMFY is the name of the game. The few rare exceptions like Bernie spin their wheels trying to effect real change and the majority of the other politicians try to stay out of the line of fire while promoting things that benefit themselves, typically only affecting them behind the scenes.
If the Fallout TV show taught me anything, you cannot profit off of the apocalypse. That’s literally antithetical to capitalism. That’s why they disrespected the lore so much, right?
history (aka, reality) proves war to be profitable.
the american economy is incredibly dependent on creating and selling human killing devices. just go read what happens every time they try and cut back on the military-industrial complex.
Proxy wars are profitable. Total war really isn’t. Even in history for a war to be profitable, you have to be having the war outside your countries borders. Nukes aren’t profitable, and never will be.
I hear what you are saying about the MIC. I also agree with Eisenhower when he said:
“Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed.”
Ultimately there’s no objective measure of whether “war is profitable”. There’s no objective definition of war. There’s no objective measurement of the “sides” and their profit/loss, much less the nuances of who specifically profits or loses.
But total was is relatively profitable versus being destroyed. And it’s absolutely profitable for a select group of people. Most often it’s similar people on “both sides” that profit.
Profitable for a select group of people, who should be named, shamed, tarred and feathered.
I believe that if you were to do an economic analysis of the total P/L of the entirety of human conflict, the L column would overwhelmingly outweighs the P column, even leaving out all modern warfare, which just ramps up the L side. I say that because one of my econ professors did just that during a class. He published a paper about it, but I have no clue what it was called, it would have been somewhere between '96 and '98 that he published it.
Worry about the rest later when my bootlickers and I blame it all on democrats
The dems are completely loyal to zionism. It’s a race to the genocidal bottom.
Lol. Sure Jan. Keep telling that to yourself
He talked about using nukes before he got elected, people still voted for him. A trump voter isn’t going to be swayed by logic or facts or ethics.
He talked about using Nukes while in office as well. IIRC, “Fire and Fury,” was the first threat to NK.
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Wait, wasn’t he the “for peace” candidate?
He is the “I’ll tell whatever lie might get people to clap and cheer” candidate.
That’s what he claims.
He claims a lot of things.
“For Peace” for Americans, everyone else can bomb each other to death.
And by ‘Americans’, he only means those who support him. Those who don’t get bombed, too.
“Where’s the harm in that? I had an Uncle who was very good with the nuclear. One time, he dropped a nuclear bomb, jumped on top of the bomb, and then rode it down through the skies. One of the most beautiful scenes ever seen. Funny guy, my Uncle.” - added Donnie.
“We don’t have any evidence (other than Yemen and very public statements) that Donald will do that, therefore we must collectively throw our ballots in the garbage for some reason.”
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Hey, remember that other thread you posted in earlier today where you tried to claim you weren’t pro-Trump? That was fun.
The best strategy to minimize war :
Generous-tit-for-tat (GTFT)
… the best reference, i could find is https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_action_problem
By this, muslim world has a lot of bombs to drop on iSSrael to prevent further wars.Are you saying all of those muslims are all the same and therefore should have the same interests? Seems a little racist to me.
Try to remember these are people with unique life experiences. If you were someone that had barrel bombs dropped you in the Syrian civil war, you’re probably not going to be siding with the people that did that to you.
The over half a million deaths in that conflict probably weight more heavily on people’s minds than the 40K deaths somewhere else. Nasrallah’s death was celebrated in parts of Syria, and for good reason.
This isn’t a conflict between Jews and Muslims no matter how much you want it to be. It’s a conflict between Israel and Hamas (one of Iran’s proxies) that has expanded to include other Iranian proxies (Hezbollah, Houthis) and potentially Iran itself. Iran’s government sucks and is causing a lot of horrible things to happen throughout the Middle East. One of their proxies took things too far and Israel isn’t fucking around anymore.
Yes, i want Muslims to stop waging war between themselves and you are absolutely right that they are not doing peace at all between themselves, on the contrary. My hope here is completely disconnected from reality : you are absolutely right.
Not only that but also, this “tit for tat” strategy to decrease war is not applied at all in these many conflicts … although it is demonstrated to be the way to minimize war.“Tit for tat” strategies only work between rational actors that are primarily concerned with the best interests of their people.
People that derive power from extremists fascist strongman narratives often don’t behave in the best interests of their people, but in the best interests of themselves.
Iran doesn’t actually care how many Palestinians dies, they don’t care about how many people die in Lebanon either. Organizations like Hamas and Hezbollah have to fire rockets at Israel or else Iran will start supplying some other group that will with weapons and aid. Iran can do and infinite “tat” strategy because the reciprocal “tit” has no impact on them.
So “tit for tat” between Israel and Hamas/Hezbollah isn’t going result in Iran deciding to stop supplying terrorist groups with weapons to fire at Israel. But a “tit-for-tat” strategy between Israel and Iran directly may.
