Hi,
jlai.lu is the french instance of Lemmy, some user posted this thread 16 days ago : https://jlai.lu/post/11504685, and a flamewar ensued between hexbear and the french, e.g. between happybadger and their administrator here.
Since they didn’t really have any reason to defederate initially, they’re now adamant that they should defederate only because of this discussion, since it proved that every Hexbear&Lemmygrad user is agressive(, as if jlai.lu users weren’t agressive in this discussion as well).
I still find hard to believe that they could defederate on such weak basis, and it does feel like a convenient excuse, but that’s what they’re saying, ask them for confirmation if you don’t believe it either.
They also used a list of post found on /c/MeanwhileOnGrad@sh.itjust.works as if it was representative, but it hardly counts as an argument, what a stupid situation…
They’ve now pinned this post for 12 days, and the defederation with both Hexbear and Lemmygrad seems unavoidable.
I’ve known this for more than a week but didn’t care that much, yet when talking with them, and especially @Camus here, they/he said that they/he would like to talk to you. @Camus is very patient/nice, and you can look at his number of comments/posts to gauge his influence, probably their most active user(, kind of a french ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆).
Well, to be more precise, he informally asked for some excuses from Hexbear, but my post here didn’t reach them, perhaps because of “r*tard” in my username(, r*tardataire designate someone who’s late in french).
However, more than excuses in the name of others, you only have to show him that we’re not aggressive(, if you have some time, it won’t change much in the end), something very easy/natural to prove for >90% of Hexbear users(, and perhaps >70-80% of Lemmygrad 🙂, it does feel a bit more bitter/serious here, not a criticism).
They have some communities that aren’t that far apart from what could be found on Lemmygrad or Hexbear b.t.w., so it can’t really be said that they’d reject us solely based on terrorism apologia, supporting Stalin, etc.(, even if their “leftist” admin is against socialist countries because our capitalists said that they’re authoritarian).
Staying federated with a french instance would be useless for 99% of Hexbear and Lemmygrad, so if you intervene it’d mostly be on the behalf of current/future french users(, it can be nice sometimes to speak your native language without using an alt account), and perhaps also for Lemmygrad and Hexbear’s reputation on jlai.lu.
If you’re french, and/or simply nice, and want a chat with them, feel free to do so directly under the post or with @Camus.
(Kinda worth mentionning in passing that, currently, their top two posts of all time sorted by the most comments are the ones cited above about this defederation)
Also, keep in mind that this defederation is unavoidable though, if it doesn’t happen now it’ll be next year or the year after. As you know, reddit banned ChapoTrapHouse, GenZedong, etc., and we were quickly banned from lemmy.world and others, so we’ll one day be banned from other “centrist” instances such as the french one. Just like we’d also be banned/censored by our governement if our numbers grow enough to disturb/‘be a threat’.
Furthermore, Hexbear took action, and decided to defederate first without even trying to discuss more calmly. So don’t waste too much of your time either(, but please don’t go there unless you intent to speak calmly).
Thanks for reading :) !
If anyone here wants to know more about the beliefs of anansi and the reasons for why a leftist like him(, very common in France,) is convinced that Hexbear and Lemmygrad are simply contrarians with no backbone to stand firm on our beliefs even when it’s “our” side that commits atrocities, he talked about it at different places, including under this post, but that comment would be a recommended starting point if you want to “convert”/debate/convince him(, which can obviously only be done with enough patience on both sides).
We have nothing to be scared or ashamed of because we both (think that we )believe in the truth(, seek the Truth), and we’re the first ones to criticize the typical western double standards that can be seen everywhere. Like everyone here i’m not afraid of being wrong somewhere nor about exchanging about my/our beliefs.
(We’ve already spoke about it in french so i don’t think i’ll add my own comment, but )There’s a good reply from Cowbee below(, a tiny bit agressive but it could be worse, and more importantly he has good arguments).
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Keep in mind that anansi said here and there that he doesn’t want to defederate on these grounds, and don’t personally want to defederate, but was asked to do a survey by some jlailu users(, following this heated post that according to them wasn’t initially going to lead to anything in the first place).
Anansi is lucky he’s behind a computer screen and I think he uses that. Even on hexbear someone else wanted to beat him up. I know his “anarchist” type, I’ve met them. It’s very French. They keep poking and prodding to get a rise out of you and for no other reason. No honesty, no sincerity. Then when you finally react they’re like “oh I was just joking, why are you taking it so seriously!”
The Fr*nch left is Charlie Hebdo
Internet is the occasion to meet other nationalities.
I was wondering : do you have an opinion(, and/or could you tell me the general algerian opinion,) about the western Sahara ? Should it be independent, moroccan, algerian, divided, … ?
Also, it’s not important but it reminds me of seeing a channel a few years ago that offered a bounty for archeological findings arguing proving that the western Sahara was the ancient emplacement of Atlantis, e.g. with this, it’s almost certainly false but kind of the only thing i know about this topic 🤷
Leftists and Algerian-revolution aligned people want the SADR to be independent, liberals and right wingers see it as a waste of money, no one seriously wants it to be ruled by Algeria.
My favorite shitpost
Hum, ok, a part of our press probably exaggerated the algerian claims then, thanks 👍
And that leftists want an independant Sahrawi republic doesn’t surprise me :)
Wait? they’re saying we want the land??? It’s desert???
That’s what i thought, but after rapidly checking i edited my comment because i realized that i’ve been abused by some clickbait titles about some kind of “war” between Morocco and Algeria over the Sahara(, and that our president recently took the side of Morocco).
When i’m looking a bit more into this, they’re not lying to this point, but they’re not saying that the algerian position is based on its own decolonial tradition, every article i found(, out of the 5-6 i’ve read, 2015 in a specialized magazine, up to 2024 in a more general one,) that that it’s primarily done to annoy Morocco, and more power/influence over the region. Not because of an algerian decolonial tradition/ideology.
So, i guess that if i had to find the bias in our propaganda, it’d be that usually we’d be in favor of the independence of the Sahrawi republic, but we’re curiously not taking their sides(, just like for south-eastern ukrainians or others). So our bias is that we’re progressively aligned with the position of Morocco, and the u.s.
Algeria is also doing it to get warmer water ports!!!
It makes me think of this video from Blast : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AASPDZd-DKc
First you watch the video(, in x2,) hoping from something, then you’re disappointed, and then you read the comments and you’re pleasantly surprised(, at least in my case :))
Lol just from reading the video title and then first comment I can tell what they’re gonna talk about
It’s so confusing that they named their alliance AES