President Joe Biden in a public letter to congressional Democrats is standing firm against calls for him to drop his candidacy after his dismal debate performance.
Also Trump voters don’t care about their candidate being shitty. It’s a feature not a bug. Biden has people with standards and morals to motivate. Relying on the shittiness of trump is a losing move. Biden was inoffensive in 2020, that no longer the case this time round. This all is how we end up with trump again
I don’t disagree about the DNC’s ego, but the stakes are very different from 2016.
Biden has people with standards and morals to motivate.
Are you suggesting those people with morals and standards will just abandon those morals and standards to vote Trump because Biden didn’t look as good as they wanted? Or just not vote because Biden didn’t live up to those standards, despite the Supreme Court and Trump making it very clear that democracy is on the ballot.
This isn’t going to be a race decided by undecided voters, no one is sitting on the fence despite what the media might be saying. The only people saying they are undecided simply don’t want to admit their politics out in the public.
And like you said, Trump voters see his shittiness to others as a feature, not a bug. But democrats don’t. They see it for what it is, shittiness. So Why, in your mind, would Dem leaning voters look at all of the things Trump has done and decide “you know what, that Biden guy and the Democrats better align to my morals and standards, but Biden looked awfully old… I better vote for the guy trying to destroy democracy, he’s only 78 after all.”
No one is seriously considering that. It’s just not a real option. The only thing I could see being a possibility is people being discouraged against voting entirely because Biden didn’t exactly fit into their perfect mold of a candidate. So as a protest, they abstained from voting, and in turn allowed fascism to win through their collective inaction. I can’t see anybody even remotely leaning Democrat doing that though. If they’ve been paying even the slightest bit of attention, they’ve probably already decided to protest vote against Trump.
I don’t think people will actively choose to vote for Trump over Biden in protest. I agree it isn’t going to be a race for undecided voters but rather trying to convince people to go to the polls and then actually get them to vote for Biden.
If something g doesn’t change, I think we are going to see a huge dip in voter turn out for dems. I’m sure it’ll still be massive but the Delta between Trump turnout and Biden turnout will be historic
There has been a lot of talk now about “what’s the plan for when trump gets reelected if we decide not to vote for Biden?”. And it’s a great question without a good answer. I’ve mentally prepared myself for Trump to win. I know that I’ll likely be one of the people who vote for Biden on election day but I also think we need to have a plan for the people who won’t fall in line.
Conservatives are great at falling in line. Expecting liberals/leftists/etc to fall in line is a recipe for disaster.
If I had to come up with a plan, I’d say that we should start maybe having some room for a “at least vote down ballot” message. Cause if dems significantly sweep the house/senate, maybe some checks and balances could be in place (but I won’t hold my breath). But that motivation could get people show up like how the uncommitted movement in primaries worked for driving turnout.
I’m scared shirtless tho. I’m mentally preparing myself for a second term Trump. One other wildcard in this is that I really don’t know how gen z is gonna act. The world is real bleak for them and I think they might really intentionally decide to be accelerationists instead of being able to be motivated by harm reduction.
You’re talking about Biden’s ‘massive ego’ in a race with Trump as a candidate? 🤣
DNC ego is why we got Trump in 2016.
Also Trump voters don’t care about their candidate being shitty. It’s a feature not a bug. Biden has people with standards and morals to motivate. Relying on the shittiness of trump is a losing move. Biden was inoffensive in 2020, that no longer the case this time round. This all is how we end up with trump again
I don’t disagree about the DNC’s ego, but the stakes are very different from 2016.
Are you suggesting those people with morals and standards will just abandon those morals and standards to vote Trump because Biden didn’t look as good as they wanted? Or just not vote because Biden didn’t live up to those standards, despite the Supreme Court and Trump making it very clear that democracy is on the ballot.
This isn’t going to be a race decided by undecided voters, no one is sitting on the fence despite what the media might be saying. The only people saying they are undecided simply don’t want to admit their politics out in the public.
And like you said, Trump voters see his shittiness to others as a feature, not a bug. But democrats don’t. They see it for what it is, shittiness. So Why, in your mind, would Dem leaning voters look at all of the things Trump has done and decide “you know what, that Biden guy and the Democrats better align to my morals and standards, but Biden looked awfully old… I better vote for the guy trying to destroy democracy, he’s only 78 after all.”
No one is seriously considering that. It’s just not a real option. The only thing I could see being a possibility is people being discouraged against voting entirely because Biden didn’t exactly fit into their perfect mold of a candidate. So as a protest, they abstained from voting, and in turn allowed fascism to win through their collective inaction. I can’t see anybody even remotely leaning Democrat doing that though. If they’ve been paying even the slightest bit of attention, they’ve probably already decided to protest vote against Trump.
I don’t think people will actively choose to vote for Trump over Biden in protest. I agree it isn’t going to be a race for undecided voters but rather trying to convince people to go to the polls and then actually get them to vote for Biden.
If something g doesn’t change, I think we are going to see a huge dip in voter turn out for dems. I’m sure it’ll still be massive but the Delta between Trump turnout and Biden turnout will be historic
There has been a lot of talk now about “what’s the plan for when trump gets reelected if we decide not to vote for Biden?”. And it’s a great question without a good answer. I’ve mentally prepared myself for Trump to win. I know that I’ll likely be one of the people who vote for Biden on election day but I also think we need to have a plan for the people who won’t fall in line.
Conservatives are great at falling in line. Expecting liberals/leftists/etc to fall in line is a recipe for disaster.
If I had to come up with a plan, I’d say that we should start maybe having some room for a “at least vote down ballot” message. Cause if dems significantly sweep the house/senate, maybe some checks and balances could be in place (but I won’t hold my breath). But that motivation could get people show up like how the uncommitted movement in primaries worked for driving turnout.
I’m scared shirtless tho. I’m mentally preparing myself for a second term Trump. One other wildcard in this is that I really don’t know how gen z is gonna act. The world is real bleak for them and I think they might really intentionally decide to be accelerationists instead of being able to be motivated by harm reduction.
Welp, that’s the Dems and therefore the country doomed!
You just described the only voters that the DNC have cared about since 1992.
All of donnie’s faults are a given, but there is no reason we should excuse Biden’s hubris if we are heading for the fascist iceberg…