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Secretary of State Marco Rubio grew visibly frustrated during an ABC News interview when questioned about the Trump administration’s approach to Russia.

Defending Trump’s push for peace talks with Putin, Rubio insisted negotiations were necessary but admitted the administration didn’t know Russia’s demands.

He clashed with host George Stephanopoulos over Trump’s refusal to call Putin a dictator and the U.S. siding with Russia in a recent UN vote.

Rubio also compared Trump’s handling of Ukraine to Biden’s approach to Israel, further escalating tensions.

  • HappySkullsplitter@lemmy.world
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    21 hours ago

    The problem is that most people handling this current situation through the lens of classic geopolitics

    This is not classic geopolitics. This is the ultra wealthy enacting their plan to create a global plutocracy. A ruling class of only the most wealthy in the world.

    They believe that their plans are more easily achieved with a Russian empire than with a free Ukraine.

    Ask people like Rubio questions using that as the basis, not classic geopolitics.

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      Yes, yes, a billion times yes.

      To me, the fundamental problem - the primary reason that it seems so difficult to deal with Trump - is that so many politicians and analysts and commentators are still spproaching issues as if the old rules are still in place, and they quite simply aren’t.

      Every time that another analysis or editorial appears that discusses the “failures” of the Trump administration, since their policies will undermine the original goals of the agency/programs in question, it’s ultimately just meaningless noise, since it starts with the patently false presumption that the original goals still count. They don’t.

      The Trump administration isn’t failing to achieve traditional goals - it’s succeeding in achieving an entirely new and different set of goals. And there isn’t going to be any meaningful commentary until it focuses on those new goals.

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        Just because Trump has different motivations doesn’t mean that’s the correct framing for questions. Questions and accusations are more for the audience than trying to get Trump to reconsider why he’s doing something, and at least currently that bias toward “how things were supposed to work” still exists in the general public.

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          Questions and accusations are more for the audience than trying to get Trump to reconsider why he’s doing something

          I’m fully aware of that (and the notion tgat Trump would ever reconsider anything is foolish on its face). And it’s for the audience that the politicians and analysts and commentators need to change the context of their analyses.

          and at least currently that bias toward “how things were supposed to work” still exists in the general public.

          And that’s a lot of the problem. The people need to be smacked upside the head with the two-by-four of truth.

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            Why on earth would you want to normalize Trump’s motivations? The whole point of taking about things based on those previous frameworks is to make the current events look shocking. If you reframe it according to Trump’s new center, then you get quotes like “this was expected” or “this was better than expected” for things that should still shock the audience. That’s exactly the framing Republicans want this to have so they don’t have to answer questions about Trump breaking from our (and their) previous norms.

            Holding the Overton window steady despite Trump obviously not wanting past precedent to mean anything may not be perfectly candid with the audience, but we sure as shit don’t want to just take it as given that America is an ally with Russia or antidemocratic moves are to be expected and then feel good when he only does 75% of what we thought he was going to do.

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              Ah. So reporting “Trump is a lying sack of shit who claims to be dismantling agencies in order to cut spending but is actually methodically eliminating every part of the government that serves to limit the abuses the 1% can heap on the rest of the country” is somehow “normalizing” his actions and reporting “Trump’s spending cuts are failing to accomplish as much actual reduction in spending as he promised” somehow is not.

              Got it.

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      This is exactly correct, and the Rubios and Grahams currently participating will be discarded like fish and chips paper before the sun sets.

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          And yet when he was recalled to Moscow after the fall of the Berlin Wall he brought back a washing machine because he couldn’t get one back home.

          Dude started at the bottom and now he’s here. Game recognize game.

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            It’s difficult to estimate because of how much of it is hidden through shell corporations, offshore accounts, or simply under other people’s names.

            Putin also has incredibly expensive homes, yachts, etc, they’re just under a different entities’ name

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              Yes I remember an article a long time ago about a palatial, secret estate. I believe the that of any more leaks was neutralized.

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            He’s allegedly have more than a trillion stashed at some of the Swiss ,cyprus or European banks

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              You mean the West is talking out of both sides of our mouths?! Nooo!

              That’s s lot of bread. I wonder if it was in any of the leaks by Snowden, Assange etc that got good people branded as terrorists or enemies of states?