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also true for a ton of countries
I don’t like to talk about politics because many people gets unreasonable when it comes to politics. So I basically lose the motivation to talk about it. That doesn’t mean I lose all my opinions.
Yeah it does. Politics is your entire personality. You’ve just been brainwashed into thinking certain parts aren’t political, when they are.
Oh, I have no doubt it’s your entire personality.
Listen, people need some time off every so often, to escape, and avoid talking about what can be an incredibly depressing topic.
And if you intrude on that, people will just shut you out. Especially when the “conversation” is just you sharing your views.
I have literally never seen an apolitical comment from you on this website. And you’re always on the fedidrama community. Show me one apolitical comment you’ve made, and I’ll believe you have a personality other than politics.
You sound like someone I’d cross the street to avoid talking to.
“Everything is political” is a terrible way to convey that you should care about politics. It conflates the broadest dictionary definition of “politics” with the narrow, collaquial one, and it overwhelms the layman.
How about “take an interest in politics, or it’ll take an interest in you?” It centers the interests of the individual you’re conversing with, and doesn’t leave the implication that politics should be the only thing they care about (contrarily, it posits caring about other things is why you should care about politics.) I see this phrase repeated within the Vtuber community, which is normally a very politics-resistant space, in light of tarrifs driving up merch prices.
It conflates the broadest dictionary definition of “politics” with the narrow, collaquial one
Actually, it completely erases the narrow, colloquial one. I think the colloquial definition of politics is completely unacceptable to use, and I refuse to legitimise it. Words have meanings and I’m going to treat people like they used the correct ones. If they have a problem with that, they can say what they mean instead of what they don’t.
Treating politics like something you can escape is a microaggression against BIPOC people whose identities are politicised every day, and is therefore racist. I’m not going to legitimise racism. If people want to act like politics is avoidable, they can go do it at the klan rally.
There is no phrase clever enough to convince any american who doesnt already say they care about politics to say they care about politics. The people who say this only care about themselves, and will not change until it directly affects them. What we should be striving for is ensuring it affects them.
Some people think politics and personal lives are not only separable but are inherently separate ideas. They are wrong.
I don’t like to talk about politics. I also don’t like working, cooking, taking the trash out, cleaning, etc. etc. I DO it, because it HAS to be done. There is no systemic good which comes that does not in some way come from participating in politics.
I don’t talk politics with CERTAIN PEOPLE. People who engage in bad faith, whose highest political priority is fucking over someone else, rather than lifting everyone else up, who celebrate ignorance and cruelty. Any political ideology which is built on such foundational principles can be shut out of all political discussion by those with better, smarter, kinder ones.
Me and you might not agree on how to GET us there, but we share the goal of making things better and easier for the greatest number of people. If we don’t, there’s nothing to discuss, and so I won’t talk politics with you.
Sometimes i just no think good. I try to be involved but its really too big for me alone.
It means they don’t want to have heated arguments which no one is going to agree on either way. Especially not when the racist uncle is around.
or arguing with a MAGAT who is low information,.
I don’t like talking about politics with Americans. They have their own political language that barely makes sense. It never gets anywhere because I think I’m just talking to whatever media or social media channels they got trained off.
One could be called a socialist, a capitalist, or even a Nazi depending on who’s reading the comment, despite all being fundamentally insane conclusions to land on contextually.
I know you’re certainly not all like that, but compared to the rest of the world, the percentages are much, much higher; enough to not even bother.
Americans tend to be kept from learning what socialism actually is, because then they might like it. I remember reading a 50’s World Book encyclopedia which essentially defined socialism as an autocratic dictatorship.
I was told in school that if you lived in a socialist society, your job was picked out for you, basically from birth.
This is the same lie they told about bee society in Bee Movie
Bee Movie is a weird anti-union diatribe that fails basic biology. I’ll excuse bee/human relationships, but worker bees are female.
I remember being in school and having posters with things like “Ask Why?” To encourage critical thinking.
I also remember it being controversial because kids should listen to their parents.
That controversy is the answer.
I avoid talking about with family members or friends, because they often discuss it from a very low information point, and is very adamant they are right, then they get mad if you try to debunk which is true or not. i know a family member that recently became a trumper and he gets hostile when asked why he voted/supported trump. basically he doesnt want to think about it as well.
Heh. You just made me remember there’s a social stigma that political discourse is reserved for “the intellectuals”—it’s bullshit—so by expressing different ideas or opinions, someone can feel as though it’s first and foremost an attack on their intelligence.
We live in a society where people just constantly disrespect each other so we’re so on guard that even the most respectful intentions don’t have a chance of getting through. These days it’s much harder to just talk and bounce ideas back and forth until a balance is found. We all have way more common ground than we do differences, but we don’t act that way
its like a hoarders mentality, out of sight out of mind, once they made that decision, they dump thier stuff they accumulate somewhere and dont want to think about the consequences, and you know what happens if you confront a hoarder.
As an American this is also why I don’t like talking to Americans about politics.
People like this are the reason other people say they don’t like politics.
As a transgender man who was chased out of my profession, subsequently experienced an intensifying period of relationship violence, was unable to find any form of support or help (no domestic violence shelters, no low income legal support, nothing), and experienced physical abuse on the female ward when this broke my brain so much that I told the nice person on the crisis line I wanted to die -
My life is political. I’m driving around with a license that might not count anymore, despite having followed all of the rules to get it changed 10 years ago. I don’t get to opt out of politics. I’d love to! I’d love to do nothing but focus on my career and hobbies, enjoy art and relationships.
But I can’t. The world I live in is actively hostile to people like me. Politics invades my life.
You’re valid and @Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee is being incredibly dismissive towards your experiences. You have a right to be angry when you see privileged takes like that. You’re owed an apology.
No, the reason people say they don’t like politics is that they’ve been brainwashed by the owning class into thinking politics is government drama. They don’t realise everything is political.
If the owning class owns the Federal reserve then does politics really matter?
A minimum wage hardly matters when housing can rise 10% a year on cheap debt and regressive zoning laws. The rich always see a nice bailout package as well, providing a nice floor for asset valuations.
We should have a communist revolution.
People who say that tend to be incapable of taking the day off. They’re pretty dull people to have a conversation with. Unless of course you happen to be the same sort of dull as they are.
Yes, everything’s political to some degree. But you don’t have to make everything political like your ideology is your entire personality or something. That’s why people say they don’t like politics.
Yes, you understand exactly.
Everyone has political views of some type, but for some people it’s their whole personality.
Yeah, you got me. I don’t really have a personality beyond the political. I have an ethnicity, gender, religion, but those are all political labels. I’m an extrovert, which means I prefer the company of others, which involves groups, so it’s political. I only like political movies, like Star Wars, Jurassic Park, and Everything Everywhere All At Once. I only enjoy political games like Deep Rock Galactic and political music like Bloodywood. All of my hobbies, like art and sports, involve other people and their collective actions. Take away my connections to other people, my engagement with groups to make decisions, together, and I’m all alone. My life ceases to have meaning.
BECAUSE EVERYTHING IS POLITICAL. Like I just told you!
People who say that tend to be incapable of taking the day off.
assuming you’re american, if not sadly it’s not all that better in many first world countries
republicans in the process of dismantling the entire federal government, all protections and safety nets, all science and education, heralding in a fascist take over
but sure it’s not important bro, go back to fucking about
And how did they let this happen? They made the party they vote for every 4 years become their entire personality.
so your solution to the reality of propaganda working is tell other people not to worry about it?
have fun up on your self righteous hill while the country is dismantled underneath you
People make decisions for you despite not living in a monarchy.
I didn’t decide to make Trump president, but it happened anyway, and no amount of talking about it will change that.
Talk to local revolutionary groups about insurrection.
But England literally has a King
Who is no longer allowed to make decisions for the people.
No they are.
But if they ever use their theoretical power to go against the wishes of the people, there will be an instant revolution and we will burn their place down.
Give Fox news 30 years to rot their brains
There is no Fox News in Britain. That is a purely US invention.
Fox News was on satellite in Britain for more than 15 years.
Also, you have TalkTV and GB News now.
Not to mention the Murdoch owned news-rags.
Can we just skip to the AI overlords stuff? Human leadership is getting kind of stale and repetitive lately.
Watch Psycho Pass and get back with me
That’s what happens when AI is the judge, jury and executioner.
You really saw all of those fucked up nightmare hands and thought, “why can’t this be in charge?” What makes you think having a failed artist for a dictator is a good idea?
How about nobody makes decisions?
Every problem humanity has solved has created newer and bigger problems.
Let’s just stop doing that because everything is getting worse.
Not making a decision is also a decision.
And it doesn’t matter what your decision is because you lost the election.
