Considering that the province won’t even pay for dental or eye care, I’d say this was the right call. Debates about what kind of cosmetic surgeries count as healthcare can’t begin until we fix those holes first
It is obviously cosmetic as it relates to appearance. That can still be a serious issue but then you go on to dismiss dental care.
Someone with damaged teeth would disagree with you because of appearance, health, social and mental impact of living with and having to hide damaged teeth.
Arguing trans healthcare should always come first because you prefer it in your situation is a shit argument.
You’re saying the majority of people to put trans healthcare at the bottom of the list of priorities because it doesn’t affect them.
Besides this isn’t an ‘us’ vs ‘them’ issue. There was zero reason to make that argument.
Cosmetic surgery relates to appearance. Transition related surgeries relate to dysphoria
Someone with damaged teeth would disagree with you because of appearance, health, social and mental impact of living with and having to hide damaged teeth.
Both my partner and myself both have damaged teeth. It’s nothing like that
Arguing trans healthcare should always come first because you prefer it in your situation is a shit argument.
I don’t need it. I was fortunate enough to be able to self fund my own surgeries. But doing so has had long lasting effects on my financial security.
Notably, I didn’t spend that money on teeth or any other cosmetic issues, because it’s not even remotely the same. Spending my future to make my teeth look better would be a poor choice.
Spending my future to deal with my dysphoria was what I had to do to ensure that I had a future.
No offence but comments like this are only harmful to our community, and I know saying this might not change your mind on anything, but I’d feel wrong if I didn’t ask.
Don’t try to speak for all of us, I know many of us have been treated horribly for years simply because who we are, and as fucked as that is it doesn’t make it ok to put your trauma above others, in a way that may be affected by your personal bias.
The queer community has always been about outsiders, arguably even more so than simply about sex or gender, and in that vein I couldnt go to bed comfortably if I could gaurentee ffs to some of our sisters while leaving millions in constant physical pain, just like I feel looking in the mirror every day.
This is class warfare, not bum fights in an alleyway - cause we all know the upper class has rock solid solidarity, and we don’t stand a chance until we do as well.
A type 1 diabetic with ruined teeth would likely disagree with you on priorities.
Having a mouth full of rotting teeth is painful, unattractive and can cause severe distress and social isolation, even depression.
It can also contribute to other severe medical problems such as a massively increased risk of heart attack.
You are putting your own struggles first and foremost while dismissing the pain and sufferring of others.
I am saying neither people with dental problems or trans people should be denied healthcare, you are saying
my problems are more important so only my problems should be dealt with
I am disagreeing with your argument because it dismisses a genuine and serious form of medical care that should be afforded to all who need it.
Trans surgeries are not “cosmetic”.
The Mayo clinic, which is a respected source, disagrees with you on at least one of the surgeries being sought.
Speaking as a trans person,
Your experience is valid.
access to trans healthcare is far more important to me than dental healthcare.
And you shouldn’t dismiss the experiences and needs of others.
its not cosmetic, its reconstructive. i dont give a fuck what some fascistic cis people think is ‘cosmetic’ or not, the term is mostly just used by insurance companies and governments to weasel out of paying out to medically necessary interventions.
It is fucked that both teeth and ffs are arbitrarily gate kept in order to balance the books in a deeply disfunctuonal healthcare system. It should obviously all be free at the point of care. And the only reason it isn’t is to deny care to poor people.
What’s obnoxious are the cises showing up (in other comments) to be like " um actually if you look up the medical authorities in the fascist country America people say it’s cosmetic". 🤓
Yeah I agree with that, and people need their argument dopamine hit so things are gonna by defualt get unruly pretty quick.
I think the only thing I disagree with is making it too much of an us vs them situation, as hard as that is when it feels like they’re doing the same, but hey maybe I was just born out of hippie times and am feeling the pain lmao - they had some shit going on when they disagreed with labels being overly general in my opinion
I agree, some people are just argumentative, there’s a time and a place.
I take the criticism about making this too us vs them, but part of the reason for the reaction was not about dividing people but pushing back on bad behavior. Anyone who views themselves as a cis ‘ally’ who finds themselves in the situation of trying to ‘prove their point’ to a bunch of trans people in a trans space really needs to self-crit and step back.
I am happy to be corrected about whether specific surgeries are considered cosmetic or not but I do not, as a rule, take the comments of random people on the internet as gospel.
what some fascistic cis people
Do you have something against the Mayo clinic?
Not that I need to explain to you but I commented because I saw a misguided comment and was hoping to have an open discussion about how healthcare should always be available to those who need it.
I also see why it isn’t the default. It should be, but there are other procedures where that’s the case, depending on where you are in the world.
Post mastectomy reconstruction surgeries aren’t always covered by everything. Should be, but aren’t.
I say anything that treats the patient should be covered, period, including any and all reconstructive procedures like FFS. It’s just a matter of getting people to realize it’s medical care, not elective cosmetic surgery.
Doesn’t seem to matter whether it’s a form of socialized health care, or capitalist, allocation of funds/resources is rarely decided by people that actually understand what’s going on, it’s decided by accountants, lawyers, and legislators.
It sucks. There are goodly amount of surgeries and other care that get labeled as cosmetic or elective that are fundamentally part of treating the patient. It’s absurd.
FFS is healthcare.
Considering that the province won’t even pay for dental or eye care, I’d say this was the right call. Debates about what kind of cosmetic surgeries count as healthcare can’t begin until we fix those holes first
shut the fuck up, scum
Great debate strategy chief
my debate strategy is knocking your teeth out for being a piece of shit
Trans surgeries are not “cosmetic”.
Speaking as a trans person, access to trans healthcare is far more important to me than dental healthcare.
It is obviously cosmetic as it relates to appearance. That can still be a serious issue but then you go on to dismiss dental care.
Someone with damaged teeth would disagree with you because of appearance, health, social and mental impact of living with and having to hide damaged teeth.
Arguing trans healthcare should always come first because you prefer it in your situation is a shit argument.
You’re saying the majority of people to put trans healthcare at the bottom of the list of priorities because it doesn’t affect them.
Besides this isn’t an ‘us’ vs ‘them’ issue. There was zero reason to make that argument.
Edit: I even fact checked myself on my ‘obviously cosmetic’ claim. Mayo clinic: https://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/what-is-tracheal-shave
Cosmetic surgery relates to appearance. Transition related surgeries relate to dysphoria
Both my partner and myself both have damaged teeth. It’s nothing like that
I don’t need it. I was fortunate enough to be able to self fund my own surgeries. But doing so has had long lasting effects on my financial security.
Notably, I didn’t spend that money on teeth or any other cosmetic issues, because it’s not even remotely the same. Spending my future to make my teeth look better would be a poor choice.
Spending my future to deal with my dysphoria was what I had to do to ensure that I had a future.
You’re not getting it.
In a discussion about healthcare and insurance coverage this should not be one or the other.
Yeah, the trans person, talking about first hand experiences navigating this exact topic is the one who doesn’t get it…
No offence but comments like this are only harmful to our community, and I know saying this might not change your mind on anything, but I’d feel wrong if I didn’t ask.
Don’t try to speak for all of us, I know many of us have been treated horribly for years simply because who we are, and as fucked as that is it doesn’t make it ok to put your trauma above others, in a way that may be affected by your personal bias.
The queer community has always been about outsiders, arguably even more so than simply about sex or gender, and in that vein I couldnt go to bed comfortably if I could gaurentee ffs to some of our sisters while leaving millions in constant physical pain, just like I feel looking in the mirror every day.
This is class warfare, not bum fights in an alleyway - cause we all know the upper class has rock solid solidarity, and we don’t stand a chance until we do as well.
Transition surgery is healthcare, not cosmetic. That’s all I said.
This idea that trans healthcare trumps other healthcare needs is something the person I was talking to said, not something I said
fuck off with this pickme shit
A type 1 diabetic with ruined teeth would likely disagree with you on priorities. Having a mouth full of rotting teeth is painful, unattractive and can cause severe distress and social isolation, even depression.
It can also contribute to other severe medical problems such as a massively increased risk of heart attack.
You are putting your own struggles first and foremost while dismissing the pain and sufferring of others. I am saying neither people with dental problems or trans people should be denied healthcare, you are saying
I am disagreeing with your argument because it dismisses a genuine and serious form of medical care that should be afforded to all who need it.
The Mayo clinic, which is a respected source, disagrees with you on at least one of the surgeries being sought.
Your experience is valid.
And you shouldn’t dismiss the experiences and needs of others.
That’s my partner. Her teeth are absolutely on the list, but transition care is above it.
Love getting shit gate kept by fucking assholes, eat my entire ass
Healthcare is only rationed out out the way that it is because profiteering middle men make money by denying care
its not cosmetic, its reconstructive. i dont give a fuck what some fascistic cis people think is ‘cosmetic’ or not, the term is mostly just used by insurance companies and governments to weasel out of paying out to medically necessary interventions.
why the fuck are you in this comm? leave.
Would you be willing to be a mod of this comm?
yes
Done.
i’m going to make stalin look like a liberal 🫡
I’m a trans commie and think dysphoria is generally cosmetic, and think its fucked both teeth and ffs aren’t covered.
But I guess I just don’t like punching down
It is fucked that both teeth and ffs are arbitrarily gate kept in order to balance the books in a deeply disfunctuonal healthcare system. It should obviously all be free at the point of care. And the only reason it isn’t is to deny care to poor people.
What’s obnoxious are the cises showing up (in other comments) to be like " um actually if you look up the medical authorities in the fascist country America people say it’s cosmetic". 🤓
Yeah I agree with that, and people need their argument dopamine hit so things are gonna by defualt get unruly pretty quick.
I think the only thing I disagree with is making it too much of an us vs them situation, as hard as that is when it feels like they’re doing the same, but hey maybe I was just born out of hippie times and am feeling the pain lmao - they had some shit going on when they disagreed with labels being overly general in my opinion
I agree, some people are just argumentative, there’s a time and a place.
I take the criticism about making this too us vs them, but part of the reason for the reaction was not about dividing people but pushing back on bad behavior. Anyone who views themselves as a cis ‘ally’ who finds themselves in the situation of trying to ‘prove their point’ to a bunch of trans people in a trans space really needs to self-crit and step back.
Would you be willing to help mod this comm?
Mad respect you came to a thread as controversial as this to look for mods
Absolutely.
not once did i say teeth shouldnt be covered.
Nor did I say you did <3
I am happy to be corrected about whether specific surgeries are considered cosmetic or not but I do not, as a rule, take the comments of random people on the internet as gospel.
Do you have something against the Mayo clinic?
Not that I need to explain to you but I commented because I saw a misguided comment and was hoping to have an open discussion about how healthcare should always be available to those who need it.
I’ll be here all week. :)
yes
fuck off cissie
Wow with “allies” like you who needs enemies
I agree.
I also see why it isn’t the default. It should be, but there are other procedures where that’s the case, depending on where you are in the world.
Post mastectomy reconstruction surgeries aren’t always covered by everything. Should be, but aren’t.
I say anything that treats the patient should be covered, period, including any and all reconstructive procedures like FFS. It’s just a matter of getting people to realize it’s medical care, not elective cosmetic surgery.
Doesn’t seem to matter whether it’s a form of socialized health care, or capitalist, allocation of funds/resources is rarely decided by people that actually understand what’s going on, it’s decided by accountants, lawyers, and legislators.
It sucks. There are goodly amount of surgeries and other care that get labeled as cosmetic or elective that are fundamentally part of treating the patient. It’s absurd.