Names blurred to protect the innocent / crazy. Not trying to call anyone out, just thought the response was hilarious and highly disproportionate. Like, they distinguished that comment (green border/background).
For reference, the comment I presume that was downvoted that apparently triggered that response was to the tune of “BoTH SiDEz!!!” with some hyper generalizing / stereotyping on the side.
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A hypocritical coward.
Nah the guy in the post is a brave man standing up for the victims of speciesism and colonialism.
Talk about reddit brained. Why do downvotes matter to so many people? There is no karma count except for individual comments. You don’t know what someone downvotes for so why get worked up over it?
Because it buries all the posts on my instance, it makes it so that vegans who are the community and target for my instance gets silenced. Then whenever someone doesn’t like what they read they go and downvote every post on my instance depressing all the counts and discouraging participatio. Activitypub downvotes are pure spam.
If you want it to be for vegans only then you should defederate tbh
I had similar experiences in the past, I get you.
Offensive material for this guy is pushing back to a user that said that “all my life people told me that democrats were coming for my guns, my food and my appliance but its the republicans all along” I replied “It is the democrats though, they’ve been in power 75% of the past 30 years and Americans lost their rights to bodily autonomy, have a right wing court and can’t get anything passed” and this is what got downvoted, this is what is so “offensive”.
When I got madder than I should have and protested being downvoted for participating in my own communities this guy feels the need to denigrate me and be dramatic. When I push back he pretends to be the bigger man, yet posts drama posts and makes fun of anyone different. The way he talks himself up while pissing on people makes me sick. What an asshole. Lemmy is filled with them. I wish people like this would just stay on Reddit.
To be honest I’m probably going to stop using Lemmy and cancel my servers, what is the point of talking with a bunch of white people in America who circlejerk about linux and support international wars as if its a game.
The instance can also disable downvotes so that remote downvotes won’t matter and be invisible to local users.
Now that is an interesting idea. A timeline that ranks only by local votes
Yeah, with that, you’d be able to control who can vote on the posts your users see. Very useful for a totalitarian admin.
If you don’t like downvotes (like me!) join an instance with disabled downvotes. Simple solution. I don’t know why OOP hasn’t disabled downvotes on their instance.
I did at first. everyone else can see the downvotes. It made it so the comms had 0 votes on lemmy.world at first so I turned them on. The no downvoting implementation is broken.
What do you mean?
It still shows upvotes.
Yes obvs everyone else who has downvotes implemented can see them. But if you personally don’t like how downvotes are being used, then your experience will be devoid of them. Which is a great personalisation feature.
So lets say I post something to a community on my instance, and someone on lemmy.world downvotes it. I see a score of 2 upvotes and they, and everyone else that is federated with lemmy.world and gets their activity pub updates see a score of 0.
At first the cooking community was small when I moved instances, when downvotes were off there were multiple people who seemingly subscribed just to immediately bury the posts. When I looked at it from anywhere else everything was -1 and it was annoying.
I would like an implementation of this where if the instance has downvotes disabled that those activitypub updates were ignored.
Wait really, it shows downvotes as upvotes? I believe that is wrong. It just doesn’t show downvotes.
I’ve seen heavily downvoted comments show up with like +3 scores or something, while on lemmy.world they show up as -54. And if you check on web it will show 57 down 3 up.
Weird, Lemmy is beta software and this was on another version to be honest. Regardless the implementation of it is broken. There is no algorithm here so is isn’t doing anything but burying comments. I’d prefer ratio amount of comments than drive by possibly bot down votes on this server I run for my IRL friends.
I think bigger picture I’m only going to participate in my own comms, ignore and immediately ban the kind of people that post on drama comms with all the context removed, mock people for being “crazy” and to be diminished and dismissed because I am a victim of American politics and not in support of their partisan bullshit and push back. This guy
Because it is a form of downplaying the abuse farm animal face everyday.
If someone indicates they dislike a narcissist’s content it shatters their ego.
Just because you call someone something doesn’t mean that it is true.
Good times were had by all.
Okay carnist troll
Humans are omnivores and meat tastes good. No amount of grandstanding or moral outrage will change our minds. Ok soyjack?
Humans dont need to eat meat as you can get your b12 from fortified foods and supplements. You’re not entitled to the flesh and secretions of others because of taste buds. Also there is no need for name calling here, we’re adults.
you don’t know what anyone else needs
You literally just name called. You are a troll and a hypocrite i think your missing more than b12. I am entitled to the flesh of lesser creatures just as other animals are. Your arguments are a joke. It’s not wrong for you to chose to not eat meat and animal products, it is wrong to expect everyone to make that choice especially when it flys in the face of our culture and our history. But please keep acting like a soyjack so us carnists have someone to laugh at.
I had a hand in the conversation in the screenshot, so I’m guessing they are salty.
I don’t know why my shit is getting deleted. Mod is a Vegan NAZI. Hitler would be proud.
Yeah, I blocked and moved on.
Does your post have anything to do with this: https://vegantheoryclub.org/post/353815
I do think it’s unfortunate that votes aren’t public to non-instance-owners. That’d be a nice thing to change. I might see if I can find any existing tickets on the topic or whatever.
(Sorry, I know it’s weird to make two top-level comments on the same post, but this one’s sufficiently unrelated to my other one, I figured it made sense.)
What do you mean votes aren’t public? I see the up vote / down vote on this comment in fact.
Everyone can see the count of both upvotes and downvotes. But instance owners can also see the usernames of who upvoted and who downvoted a given post/comment. (Probably also the list of all posts/comments a given user has upvoted/downvoted, I think?) And not just users on the same instance. Users from other instances too.
I think I’ve heard that the usernames of users who upvoted/downvoted things are also public info on Kbin. (Not just to instance owners, but also to regular users.)
Up/Downvotes usernames are publicly visible via the API to everyone. Kbin shows users this, lemmy does not.
Only upvotes
Ah. Ok. I might see if I can track down specifically which endpoint that is at some point.
On stock Kbin, you could see the usernames of whoever downvoted you. But it also only synced downvotes from within its own instance, so you wouldn’t see downvotes on your posts if the were from outside instances. I think that may be a server-side setting that Ernest had enabled on Kbin.social, so I think Kbin can be configured for either option.
I believe that technically, the list of users who downvote is public on all instances, but it requires having some means of pulling that data out of the API, as it’s usually not displayed in the default web UI.
I’ve looked around a bit at the API and haven’t found it, but I didn’t look too exhaustively. I might look again when I get a second.
Mods can to from the back-end but the front-end hasn’t caught up yet with the feature: https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/pull/4392
Good to know. Looks like that backend change is in Lemmy version 0.19.4 and newer (which is why it didn’t work with a
{"error":"not_an_admin"}when I ran a test on Lemmy.World which is still on 0.19.3). Thanks for pointing me to that PR.You are welcome!
No need to block, I know exactly who that is.
So we’re making fun of clearly neurodivergent people now, I didn’t know Lemmy was kiwifarms.
Really, how dare we downvote someone on their own server? It’s silencing and undemocratic and they have no real arguments and are all American puppets anyway.
This user and those who agree with them are the only reasonable people. In fact, agreeing with them is the only way to be reasonable. \s
This is unprofessional admin behaviour. No one is crazy, it’s ableist to claim anyone is such.
Just got banned for calling out a troll
ITT:
“Downvotes are spam! (12)”
“I think it’s a little more nuanced than that (-7)”
I’d love to know, as this individual’s instance is one I’d love to block, I don’t want to run into them in the wilds of Lemmy if it could be helped. They’ve got to have a lot of weird takes that I simply don’t want to see.
You would be doing yourself and the instance a favour.
Maybe they downvote without commenting because they get banned when they comment?
Idk the instance, but it’s pretty funny calling down voting undemocratic when it’s the only means of voting on comments and you effective rigged that election lol
Its their instance, their rules. Instances should always place their users before guests.
I agree. I didn’t say they shouldn’t be allowed to enforce their own rules. I just said their justification of those rules was stupid. They’re allowed to be stupid, it’s their instance
If you don’t like it then don’t participate on the instance
If they don’t like it they should defederate. Make it into a proper hugbox
Stop asking for defederations people.
That function is for wildly inappropriate or illegal content, not a random community you are not the target group of. Block communities you dont care for yourself, or even the whole instance. That way you can still interact with their users / read posts and comments outside the instance.
The fediverse should not be fractured needlessly.
I’m saying if the instance doesn’t want outsiders coming in then that instance should remove itself from others
You haven’t seen how those outsiders act
I mean clearly they are unhappy with how they act so defederating just makes sense to me
Nah in my experience vegans are pretty happy in their spaces it’s usually the meat eaters who try to dampen the mood like how they were doing on that post
That’s… what I’ve been saying lol. That the vegans aren’t happy how the outsiders are acting in their instance. So to stop outsides from coming there they could defederate.
Maybe I’m in the minority, but I am of the firm belief after much deliberation and consideration that it actually is awesome that downvotes are public and it makes for a much more responsible voting environment overall. To suffer the problems of bots and agitators is not preferable to this small but meaningful way of encouraging highlighting the opinions of actual human beings more democratically
I’m in that minority too.
Votes impact visibility of content.
Obviously, we should try to move from the up/down system to a more granular one, but for now it seems fair to call out people who abuse the system by systematically downvoting content they disagree with.
If you don’t like a community, just block it and move on. If a comment or post breaks the rules, report it.
When you wrestle a pig, you both get dirty and the pig enjoys it. Some people aren’t worth arguing with. Down voting because a comment adds nothing to the discussion also often gets mistaken for down voting because you disagree, especially if the person being down voted is a troll just looking for ANY response to feed their need to fight.
Some people aren’t worth arguing with. D
Agree, but then just ignore their posts?
