Glad to see some bougie academic reaffirm the fact that our desire to see everyone treated like a human being is an extreme position.
People who said the computer would end up being one of the most useful scientific tools ever invented were (1) right, but (2) also didn’t anticipate how whole sectors of western academia would end up just browsing social media, collecting some screenshots, and presenting the whole together with some lazy-ass graph as “research.”
I find it fascinating how the Western world defines extremism as straying from its conventional beliefs. It is intriguing to observe that holding views such as homelessness being acceptable or denying individuals’ right to healthcare, which align with mainstream ideologies in the West, are not considered extreme. Instead, it is those who advocate for universal healthcare and housing who are deemed extremists by society. 🤡
when i feed the poor, they call me a saint. when i ask why the poor are hungry, they call me a communist.
“We have no compassion and expect none in return. When our turn comes, we shall make no excuses for the toxicity.”
- Karl marx
[Tankies’] positioning, further to the left than subreddits like r/communism, r/socialism, and r/Anarchism
Bruh r/communism is unapologetically gonzaloist, they’re even further ‘left’ than we are lol
However, when it comes to everyday societal challenges that are usually points of interest for the left wing—like policing, climate change, healthcare, housing, and workers’ rights—tankies seem less engaged.
Because we’ve settled these questions already. Police is a tool of the state, climate change is never going to be fixed under capitalism, healthcare should cover everything and be free for everyone, same for housing, workers’ rights should be the basis of the socialist state. Also we don’t want to dox ourselves by talking about local issues.
They often opt to use the nomenclature ‘Communist Party of China (CPC)’—Beijing’s preferred language—over the more colloquial ‘CCP’.
I didn’t want to get into the language of the article, rather focusing on its shoddy research and understanding of communism, but… colloquial according to whom? The official term is “Beijing’s preferred language” and the term you and your pals who don’t speak a word of Chinese is better somehow?
Tankies have a tendency towards Stalinism. In our topic analysis, we find that tankies give more prevalence to topics related to Stalin compared to other far-left communities we analyse
Stalin died over half a century ago and he’s still making liberals quake in their boots at the mere mention of his name 🫡
For instance, the way tankies discuss Khrushchev’s attempts to reduce Stalin’s influence, or “de-Stalinisation,” suggests a certain fondness for Stalin’s era.
You could literally have figured this out by just talking to a ‘tankie’. You did not need gas-guzzling APIs and scripts to learn that.
An example comment from tankies on Zelensky: “Putin and our comrades in Ukraine are going to kill all the US financed nazi scum and hopefully hang Zelensky while they’re at it. Let’s go Brandon!”
Top tier shitpost and this dweeb doesn’t even get it lmao, it is completely lost on him.
Our toxicity analysis also indicates that tankies are more likely than other far-left groups to post antisemitic content targeting Jews.
Absolutely no reference or figure forwarded to illustrate that very bold statement.
Tech companies must recognise and respond to the adeptness of groups like tankies in evading moderation efforts. Developing advanced content moderation tools that can detect and mitigate the spread of extremist rhetoric, irrespective of its political orientation, should be a priority. Collaborative endeavours between researchers and tech platforms can lead to the development of more robust and unbiased moderation systems. In this digital age, where platforms remarkably influence political discourse, it is imperative to understand and address all forms of online extremism to ensure a safer digital environment for all.
This is the most chatGPT conclusion of them all. You also haven’t proven or even set out to demonstrate that ‘tankies’ are “adept at evading moderation” whatsoever, and are essentially saying you don’t believe in free speech, which is decidedly not very liberal.
That’s right bucko, you’re a tankie too.
I hope this nerd actually reads this post
An example comment from tankies on Zelensky: “Putin and our comrades in Ukraine are going to kill all the US financed nazi scum and hopefully hang Zelensky while they’re at it. Let’s go Brandon!”
[Tankies’] positioning, further to the left than subreddits like r/communism, r/socialism, and r/Anarchism
Bruh r/communism is unapologetically gonzaloist, they’re even further ‘left’ than we are lol
The figure doesn’t even imply that, that sort of graph has no concept of “intensity” for positioning. The colours being different just means that (assuming it was well done) the red communities are more similar among themselves than the orange communities.
So their “further left” is just either a massive ass-pull or they actually think that their clustering model has an implicit politicalcompass system in the position of plotted clusters.
“made them the dominate voice”
bro, tankies made lemmygrad for tankies
Sounds like the meme
Article written by some westoid libshit, I assume.
UK tech bros trying to get in bed with the elite by licking boot and attacking the left.
Echo chamber? Maybe. Toxic? No, not at all. It’s actually very freeing to be able to discuss ML stuff more deeply instead of having the umpteenth lib/ultra/trot coming in trying to debate TANKIE MAN SQUARE ONE BILLION DEATH.
This community has been nothing but supporting to me.
It’s actually kind of too calm for me here since most lib instances defederated from us. Having them chime in also allowed me to keep up with what they believe in currently.
Honestly that’s why I war-drive. No more than twice a month, otherwise it runs the risk of making me spiral; but forewarned is fore-armed. Besides, I anticipate a new idiot wave now that Reddit’s talking about their IPO again in tandem with selling poster data to Google.
I should do that too. Yogthos is also a legend.
Unfortunately, I don’t know lemmy all that well outside of the 'grad. What are some good instances to go on for that sweet, sweet lib cringe?
Honestly, browsing /all is sometimes enough; but as of late, you’d have to skim the trending front-ends of the lib hellholes and nazi bars that already defedded us.
I feel like libs get banned the moment I feel I might be able to get through to them.
I disagree, wheb I see them I usually want to see them justify more, because I find it more satisfying for them to dig a hole they cant recover from, but usually what I see happen in the longer threads is they will get close to?the break through then lash put instead
Changing someone is a process. Engage with them and don’t lose heart when they turtle down. You’ve planted the seed of doubt. Often enough it takes hold and grows years later.
This is something these people deeply understand and is exactly why we are so hounded, banned, quarantined, defederated, silenced, strawmanned, ridiculed and described as evil. They want as few people as possible to even come into contact with us, so we don’t teach them that there’s an alternative to the shitty capitalist system they’ve set up.
See, that’s why I’m still on lemmy.ml
I crave conflict. 🤤
Lemmygrad is hands down one of the most polite and inclusive online communities I’ve ever seen. I simply can’t recall any instance where I disagreed with somebody here and we couldn’t resolve it using a constructive and polite discussion. This is frankly unheard of on most social media platforms and vast majority of Lemmy instances.
Yeah aside from the biweekly struggle session it’s (one of) the chillest online community I ever witnessed. Especially since we federated with the hexagons.
That’s a feature, not a bug
It’s not even really a toxic atmosphere for liberals who happen to stray in here. Sure, they’ll get dogpiled if they start acting rude, or are clearly arguing in bad faith – and they quickly find that if you can’t take it, you shouldn’t dish it out. But generally, the community goes out of its way to explain things even to people who disagree.
I’d like us to stay that way too. Almost all of us grew up with anti-communist indoctrination, and sometimes it just takes a few polite conversations to turn that around, and start them on the path.
Hexbear not toxic enough
YET
“Revisionist World Powers”
A certain Albanian (and a certain Wisconsonian) would probably agree.
Imagine if one day they start talking about how tankies have a derogatory nickname for Wisconsinites
the plot thiccens
wisconscom: rips off fake mustache
“And I would’ve gotten away with it, too, if it weren’t for you meddling kids!”
Hell, I’ll take a
revisionistRussia. Glad to hear they never abandoned socialism, at least.1991 who?
the red flag rises once more
I’d just like to interject for a moment. What this article is referring to as “Marxism/Leninism” is, in fact, Marxism-Leninism, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, “Marxism plus Leninism”. “Marxism/Leninism” implies either “Marxism” or “Leninism”; however, “Leninism” is is not an ideology unto itself, but rather an extension of Marxism. Many Marxists use this modified version of Marxism every day, without realizing it. Th
Marxism/Leninism implies that you divide Marxism by Leninism which what would that even look like? That would be Trotskyism!
Lenin walks around the world.
Mathematicians cannot bar him.
Neither above one nor below zero.
Nor does multiplication scar him.Lenin walks around the world.
An asymptote becomes him.
Marching forever towards zero.
Divide Marx by he till we reach infinity.But that would mean that Trotskyism multiplies by Leninism is Marxism…
Yes, they just need some Leninism in their life 😎
whoever uses ‘tankies’ unironically i want to strangle you and leave your corpse in the snow
me when a fellow ML says “tankie”;
me when literally anyone else does;
Pfft, I bet Lemmygrad hasn’t gotten a TERF so mad she went on TV to say she was being bullied. Hexbear stays in the lead!
Honestly Lemmygrad has been one of the most open and supportive social media platforms I have ever been on… so unless just being communist makes you toxic… oh I think I found the crux of it
Communism is when no Internet discourse with fascists. I love it so much. It’s so fun seeing the degenerates of the Internet get turned to dust and not tolerated like they are on Reddit.
You can’t deny that we are leaving a lasting impact though, which other communist community can boast to having TWO articles written about them?
I think this proves we are the best communist comunity, and no other Geometric Ursas can compare
Global Network does not understand how fediverse works, the history of Lemmy, nor even the most blatant and obvious puns on one of the largest cities in the Soviet Union. Definitely people who know what they’re talking about!
