Who the fuck would call their employee after hours? In none of the places I’ve ever worked, would the boss even think about calling me to do something when I’m not at work. Nobody would expect me to answer. You don’t need a law about basic things like that.
This law isn’t catered to you personally, don’t you think there are bosses or work places that call their employees after hours - it’s pretty common. I don’t mind, but I get mails and messages after hours and just answer them.
It does effect me without me knowing in some ways, but I personally feel it’s more important to help someone, that also might be stressed and decide to contact me, for some help or questions.
If the person or boss isn’t an asshole I don’t mind, but not everyone has that luxury, of having a boss that cares. Often they don’t want to contact you after hours.
If it was worth stressing about, it was worth discussing with me when I was on the clock. The entire premise of a job is that I work in direct exchange for money. No money? No work. Pay me or wait until next shift.
If it was worth stressing about, it was worth discussing with me when I was on the clock.
If your users suddenly start getting errors in prod at 6 PM, that wasn’t something that anyone would’ve known 2 hours earlier when you were still at work, but it affects business nonetheless.
However, a company of any real size should have employees who get paid to be on call to deal with ongoing issues. In the example of the software industry, this would be site reliability engineers who take part of an on call rotation.
But if you’re a max 20 person startup? You bet your ass that your average software engineer can expect a phone call.
So what I’m saying is that nuance is a thing. Working for a large corporation, or just in a job where nothing you do can be super urgent? Literally ignore your boss. Working in a small company where you taking that phone call has an actual impact on the company’s near-term financial performance or reputation? Might be worth reconsidering your stance, but probably not if your boss is an asshole and you know that no matter how well you perform, you’ll never get promoted.
Why I do respond sometimes out of my own convenience I’m careful to schedule the message for work hours so it’s clear to people when they can expect a response.
So you’ve never worked in low-level management for say, Amazon, or a non-profit like the American Red Cross. Or whatever. Cool!
But see this is america where workers have paltry few rights. So we do need laws about basic shit like this. In the IT field on-call and after hours work is just expected, you’re expected to answrr calls and emails etc. It’s awful. So it’d be nice if there laws against it.
See, you’re just lucky. Many folks don’t have good bosses, so a law like this is good.
So You need a law for normal, decent behavior?
I think it’s pretty clear from my comment that I don’t need that law. But some people do, because some people have bosses who will not behave normally and decently unless forced to.
Have you been living under a rock?
Hell, one of the two major political parties in the US has been pushing (successfully in many states) to roll back child labor laws. Teens have died already: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/oct/20/republican-child-labor-law-death
No only do we need the laws, but we need to be conscientious in applying them and making sure they stay strong.
Fighting fascism is exhausting, it’s a constant battle.
Your comments tell me you’re in the wrong sub.
First day in the human race?
Couple of weeks back I was on holiday in Corfu. The number work has for me - and by extension the people who I work with - is my personal phone number, for which the company pays me a small stipend every month.
I was genuinely expecting a couple of calls because that’s just how it rolls, but nope. Got nothing. It was lovely.
If he were my boss I’d ignore him during work hours too, tbh.
says the guy who definitely blows up his employee’s phones after hours
…and is irritated when he gets after hours calls.
Yeah he is one of those that won’t respond when people try to work out if issue is resolved
Oh, you just know that dickbag has an answering service, still. My asshole of a father did until he retired earlier this year.
If employees start ignoring their boss’s calls, texts, and emails outside of work hours, an after-hours emergency might have to wait until the next business day, which O’Leary finds unacceptable.
Did this fucking fascist consider hiring more staff and going 24/7? How is it the problem of salaried workers that their boss is too fucking cheap to hire enough people to get the level of support that he wants?
And all these laws have carveouts for emergencies. Although I have a feeling Mr O’Leary would probably count having to do a presentation on Monday morning for some guy he met golfing over the weekend an emergency.
If your service needs to operate 24/7, then it needs to be staffed 24/7. If it doesn’t need to operate 24/7, then staff will resolve the issue during normal work hours. Most businesses have IT teams stagger their start time so that someone comes in early and can deal with issues that may have risen the night before and prior to other employees arriving.
I made this a few years ago, about 6 months before walking out on a job I’d had for 11 years.
Fuck all these sociopaths. Right in the ear. With a rusty spoon.
Call his ass after hours constantly and see how he likes it.
Fuck you, pay me.
You beat me to it 😂
The only correct answer. Pay for that availability if needed around the clock.
He’s also ignoring the fact that if your job’s responsibilities are mission-critical, chances are you have a contract which stipulates situations in which you can be contacted after hours. It’s about Joe Schmoe IT guy being called in at 7pm while he’s having dinner with his family and being told to come to work because Greg the assistant to the Sales VP forgot his password again. Greg can fuck right off until tomorrow morning.
The server going down at 2am is mission-critical and the guy in charge of it will definitely be answering that call to fix it.
At my job we’re expected to at least try to be available if needed after hours which in my 3 years here has happened once and it took about 30 minute and I waited until my son went to bed for the night.
In return we get to leave for doctors appointments, picking up kids, errands etc without having to use PTO or make up the time. It’s a pretty sweet deal for the developers and no one abuses it to much.
At my old job they tried to get us to work after hours pretty frequently for a fraction of what our hourly rate was, we were salaried but when you broke it down you’d be getting like $20 an hour instead of $50. Ridiculous and almost no one did it.
Right, but he’s placing a subtle idea on people that wage theft isn’t a thing, overtime shouldn’t be a thing, and we shouldn’t have regulation for that. There’s a reason SREs get paid so much money, and it’s because it’s in their contract that they have to be the ones to rotate shifts and be up at 2am during an upgrade or otherwise, and he’s just mad he can’t pay everyone less and make more money
Just average capitalist things. Nothing to see here.
but that’s why we made you salary with low wages!
Kevin O’Leary should be in a gulag.
Kevin O’Leary is a cunt. Yeah, I said it.
I know people who live around where his wife was driving the boat and got in an accident and the people in the other boat died.
They all think she took the fall for him and he was drinking and he was the one driving. They were both drinking let’s be real - heading home from dinner on one of the most exclusive cottage lakes in Canada gimme a break.
Their opinion is he should have been charged and guilty.
The wife got back to the dock and took a big drink if I recall correctly to “calm her nerves” - oldest trick in the book.
Anyway, this shithead says what?
As usual they get to live and their innocent victims pay the price.
You know what would be awesome? If Kevin O’Leary died in a house fire, trapped and begging for his life.
Is that harsh? I gave up caring years ago. These people have every possible resource at their disposal to not be absolute pieces of shit. But they just can’t stop doing shit that leaves millions of people dead, injured, or much more commonly, in a state of poverty or near poverty for their entire lives because these assholes never learned how to share.
So I’ll say it again: I hope Kevin O’Leary dies in some excruciatingly painful way. Bonus points if him being a jackass kicks it off and he has to suffer the consequences of his own actions.
I didn’t know who he is until this thread, but from the few articles I’ve since read about him, I absolutely hope he dies slowly from acid burns over 95% of his body.
Just a gargantuan piece of shit, the embodiment of capitalism and the perfect, unfiltered example of why it will never really work.
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“Billionaire who benefits financially from harassing his employees after hours instead of staffing those hours mad at concept that you shouldn’t do that.”
Repost with that as the title.
When asked whether he ever encounters employees who silence their phones outside of work, O’Leary didn’t hesitate with his response: “The next moment is — I just fire them.”
TBH they’re better off.
Fucking gross.
Unionize, folks. Solidarity forever!
Hm, unemployment collection and/or EEOC action for constructive dismissal, cool. My disability is “unable to work when off the clock”.
Canada has worker protections, too, so that would get expensive if he tried it at home.
He’s exactly the person you’d unfairly assume he is based on his face.
Isn’t it weird how common that is though? There’s like some kind of cosmic force shaping people to look like how they are. Probably fashion.
I don’t know who Kevin O’Leary, but I can tell I don’t like him.
I’m sure this fat greedy fuck would be edible if we slow roasted him, basted with a nice strong chili sauce
Some people think that barbecue - the cooking method where a piece of meat is slowly smoked for hours, often with a flavorful rub or sauce - was invented to make human meat palatable.
Long pig.
These freaks are really bringing me around to the idea.
