[alt text: a 4-panel comic by @introvertdoodles, which is titled “Not ‘Appropriate’”. The first panel depicts a child wearing a very creative and unique outfit, and their parent is pointing at them and saying, “You can’t wear that to church.” The child is replying, “Why? All my bits are covered.” In the second panel, the same child and a grandparent are eating dinner at a dining room table, and the grandparent is saying, “You aren’t excused until you eat everything on your plate.” The child is replying, “Why? I’m full.” In the third panel, the same child is holding a stuff animal, and a different parent is telling them, “You’re too old to be carrying that toy around.” The child is replying, “Why? The tag just says ‘ages 3 plus.’” In the fourth and final panel, the same child is sitting across from a school principal in the principal’s office. The principal is saying, “You can’t argue with the teacher.” The child is replying, “Why? He was wrong.”]

  • Swallowtail@beehaw.orgEnglish
    4·
    3 months ago

    As a teacher, I’m not going to write a student up for disagreeing with me. I’m sure that there are some who do (and it would be warranted if the kid started name calling, yelling, refusing to let it go if the teacher said they wanted to look into it more after class to double-check etc), but in the years I’ve been working in schools, I have yet to see it happen. Here’s an example of what I mean:

    A few weeks ago, I was talking with the class about how I study Spanish on Duolingo to help do a job of teaching my kids. One of my students spoke up and said that Duolingo sucks and won’t help you learn language. He actually said it sucks, not exaggerating there. I chose to ignore the wording and just talked about how it wouldn’t be good to use it in isolation, but I also study with a flash card app for vocab, read in Spanish, listen to podcasts in Spanish, and talk with native speakers in Spanish all the time. He still disagreed with me and said so, I told him it is my specific area of professional expertise to know how language learning works, he still disagreed but we moved on.

    When a student disagrees with me and I’m not sure I’m right, I try to look it up then and there or consult with a colleague if it’s possible to. If not I make a note (like literally write out a note then and there, I keep sticky notes around at all times) to check on it, and I’m pretty good about getting back to them. Being able to admit you were wrong is extremely important as a teacher, and it can actually help your kids grow as people because you’re modeling how you want them to behave as an adult–owning up and admitting it when you make mistakes. Seeing authority figures do it is powerful!

    • coyotino [he/him]@beehaw.orgOPEnglish
      2·
      3 months ago

      so make a rule that leaving dinner unfinished means you must be too full for dessert? doesn’t seem that hard to me.

      • TheOakTree@lemm.eeEnglish
        1·
        3 months ago

        If anything, being very strict about food intake usually leads to unhealthy eating behavior, at least according to every person I know who has issues with food in either direction. Including myself.

    • expr@programming.devEnglish
      1·
      3 months ago

      I’d say the odds of kids doing that are pretty slim, they usually aren’t that strategic when it comes to food. But even if it were the case, it’s still no reason to control kids’ food intake during mealtime. That’s just abusive and is going to give them issues with food.

      Kids are generally actually quite good at regulating their food intake naturally in ways that parents often don’t understand. Adults tend to think in terms of roughly balanced meals for every meal, but kids often tend to favor one particular food at a time, achieving balance of nutrition over the course of the week. Especially when they’re younger, it’s often very chaotic what kids want to eat at a given time. They might love something one day and hate it the next. Their taste and palate are still developing, and it’s a parent’s job to be flexible rather than a child’s job to follow arbitrary food rules.

      • Malfeasant@lemm.eeEnglish
        1·
        3 months ago

        I’d say the odds of kids doing that are pretty slim, they usually aren’t that strategic when it comes to food.

        Tell me you don’t have kids without telling me you don’t have kids…

        • expr@programming.devEnglish
          1·
          3 months ago

          I do have a kid. We give our son a variety of foods and let him decide what he wants to eat. He eats a lot of different kinds of foods (big fan of Indian food atm), and the foods he wants to eat change from one day to the next. Treats are reserved for special occasions, mostly because those in particular can have a pretty significant impact on brain chemistry.

          Forcing kids to eat is very well known to be a very bad idea.

        • Leather Cub Andrew Aû@4bear.com
          0·
          3 months ago

          @Malfeasant I’m happily childfree and know from having been around all sorts of kids (such as my violent childhood bullies) and even my mother telling me about what she did as a kid (like putting a bit of cereal in a bowl with a dribble of milk and setting it in the sink) that kids can be manipulative… the question is when are they honest? That I can never get a good read… I don’t want the headache that would come with finding out!
          @expr

          • expr@programming.devEnglish
            2·
            3 months ago

            This is just taking a very antagonistic view towards kids. Manipulation is learned behavior and says much more about the parent than the child.

            But honestly, it’s besides the point. This point is that it’s wrong to force kids to eat food barring medical situations.

    • Devi@beehaw.orgEnglish
      1·
      3 months ago

      Tbf, the pudding goes in a different tummy, I can be savoury full but have sweet space.

  • AItoothbrush@lemmy.zipEnglish
    2·
    3 months ago

    As a neurotypical i do not relate that much to the other three but my pride gets into my way when a teacher says something incorrect. In primary school i was always given some small punishment for it and learnt that it isnt worth it but the nice thing about the high school i went to is thay teachers actually listened to what you had to say.

  • t3rmit3@beehaw.orgEnglish
    1·
    3 months ago

    So many adults just want kids to be accessories to show off. They care more about what their acquaintances want, than what their kids want.

  • KeriKitty (They(/It))@pawb.socialEnglish
    1·
    3 months ago

    … Okay, sorry if this is off-tone but I really wanna see more adults shining their inner cuteness and carrying around plushies >:3 Among whatever other “inappropriate” things they wanna show. I saw someone outside who had a tail and damn near jumped out the window to go squee at them 😅 Super cool.

    Maybe I’ll start carrying a plushie around 🤔 At least in my purse or something. … Oh wait, I’m trans. I might get shot for that 🤔 Probably worth it. 🐭👍

  • RustyShackleford@literature.cafeEnglish
    1·
    3 months ago

    All of these panels happened to me as a kid, which is likely why my dad stopped giving me any choices, my mom dressed me for church, she worked in my classrooms to “keep me in check”, and I got a cheese burger at every restaurant we went out to lol

  • _____@lemm.eeEnglish
    1·
    3 months ago

    You can’t just use x for its intended purpose because of the ceremonial y which we use.

  • Lyre@lemmy.caEnglish
    0·
    3 months ago

    Never met a student who was actually smarter than their teachers. I sure have met a lot who thought they were though.

    • Norah - She/They@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
      4·
      3 months ago

      Had an argument with a teacher in primary school that a piece of paper itself is a 3D object, whilst the drawings on it are 2D. I pointed to a ream of paper across the room and enquired how it could be that thick if the pieces were 2D. She gave me lunchtime detention.

      • dev_null@lemmy.mlEnglish
        3·
        3 months ago

        A teacher gave us the definition of biotechnology in primary school, something like “using living organisms to make products or services”.

        I asked if ploughing a field with a horse-drawn plough is biotechnology and was told off for having a piss. It was a genuine question and I still don’t know.

    • sanzky@beehaw.orgEnglish
      3·
      3 months ago

      there is for sure a lot of snarky students who believe they are too clever, but it does happen. There are tons of awful teachers out there. I had a science teacher who refused to acknowledge that heat and temperature were no the same

    • hihi24522@lemm.eeEnglish
      3·
      3 months ago

      I grew up in a rural Utah town. Here are things I attempted to correct my teachers on while in elementary school with the result of them telling me if I continued to disagree with them I’d be sent to the principals office:

      • Evolution does in fact exist and “monkeys aren’t turning into humans today” because that’s not how evolution works.
      • There are different methods for multiplying numbers (lattice)
      • The amount of protons in an atom is equal to the number of electrons not neutrons. Yes for lighter elements they can be the same but isotopes are a thing (yes this actually happened and the next day we watched a bill nye that said exactly what I was saying. Of course bringing up the fact I was right and she was wrong was not a wise course of action.)
      • If the earth was a few feet closer to the sun we would not die. The earth actually is closer and further throughout the year on the scale of a few million miles. (Asserting that this was also not proof of god’s existence was similarly not a wise thing for elementary me to do)
      • “Foot zoning” has been debunked and you should tell people to see a real doctor when they feel sick
      • Those white homeopathic medicine pills don’t do anything
      • If we know how disease spreads and it’s due to human action/choices then it’s not gods punishment because he couldn’t control the spread unless he controls those people.

      I’m sure there were more seeing as I frequently had to “pull a card” in nearly every class and most times had no idea why what I said was wrong. There were definitely some on global warming but I don’t remember the specifics.

      Anyway, it is almost certain that I would argue some things that were wrong, after all, I was like < 12yo and surrounded by people who would constantly tell me the encyclopedias I read were wrong (I didn’t like chapter books and encyclopedias had pictures) but even then, there still definitely were things I was and still am right about.

      And it probably would have been better for my mental health growing up if I hadn’t thought “wow if all these adults believe this thing then it must be true and I must just be an idiot” No past me, you were right, they were wrong. Essential oils are bullshit and definitely don’t cure cancer, animals do feel pain and deserve to be treated with respect, and yes the cult you were raised in makes no sense whatsoever. Basically the entirety of your hometown, and most of your family members are just delusional. You’re not wrong and they don’t just not believe you because you’re a kid, they just don’t believe in evidence, and there’s no evidence one can use to convince people who don’t believe in evidence.

      Edit: to clarify, this was a legitimate public elementary school not some weird religious institution. Its just the typical education found in small Mormon towns in Utah.

    • The Cuuuuube@beehaw.orgEnglish
      3·
      3 months ago

      This isn’t about smarter, this is about teachers not communicating effectively with their AuDHD kids who think a completely different conversation is going on. By framing it as who’s smarter, you’re misunderstanding why the AuDHD kid is disoriented in the situation that’s going on

    • absGeekNZ@lemmy.nzEnglish
      2·
      3 months ago

      I was smarter than my teachers regularly; looking back, some were impressed and wanted me to do well and some were threatened…guess which I remember as the good teachers.

    • TehPers@beehaw.orgEnglish
      2·
      3 months ago

      Someone I know failed an algebra exam for using calculus to get the vertex of a parabola. It’d be one thing if the reason was that it wasn’t a method that was taught yet, but the teacher straight up didn’t know any calculus and failed them by saying it was nonsense.

    • Megaman_EXE@beehaw.orgEnglish
      1·
      3 months ago

      In college a few years ago I had a instructor who believed arthritis was made up in a person’s head.

    • Kilgore Trout@feddit.itEnglish
      0·
      3 months ago

      I don’t know, my literature teacher couldn’t stop bashing on how great Emmanuel Macron was. While the rest of the class was rightfully convinced that he is a wannabe dictator.

  • Lime Buzz@beehaw.orgEnglish
    0·
    3 months ago

    Oh no, poor person. How dare they treat them like that sigh.

    I definitely went through the last one.

    So much abuse, so many pointless rules.