That would be funny if it weren’t so infuriatingly true. Don’t forget the layoffs generated by replacing people with the AI and the shittier customer service as they replace more people with ineffective automated systems that completely fail to be able to help you with your problem thereby dumping you in a 72 minute queue with everyone else that the system failed to help in order to talk to a real live person in a foreign country that will do little more than read you a script and then escalate your case to someone that will never call you back.
gasp
I’d have written more but I had to take a breath.
You can power a datacenter with solar panels and hydro, there is no green way to raise cattle.
There is absolutely no green way to extract all the material needed to build a datacenter.
There is plenty of green ways to raise cattle, however with these ways you can’t feed everyone beef at almost every meals.
There’s a billion obese people in the world and tons of food get wasted every second. Same for hardware, there’s disposable ecigs and they put leds on packages now. Unlimited greed and excess can hardly be green in every case scenario.
So you’re agreeing with him, right?
I’m just pointing out that the level of exploitation you apply into something play the biggest role in making it green or not.
I don’t see the connection?
Each sector has to do its part: Food production, Housing AND, yes, computation. AND, not XOR.
Each sector has to do its part
Me, doing my tiny part to help
Billionaire, undoing the efforts of millions of people
Energy prices surging. Agriculture collapsing. Heat waves killing thousands of people. Wars erupting over access to potable water.
Everyone doing their part.
The AND part ain’t happening
the skill issues of one sector doesn’t allow fud about the others. call it unfair, but it was rigged from the beginning and giving up simply isn’t an option (kinda rare characteristic for human conflicts).
tldr: so what
The post isn’t saying ‘give up’ it’s calling out the tech sector.
Bro hit’em with them logic gates
I swear the concept of doing two things at once is lost on nearly everyone on the internet who clutch their pearls.
The doomscrolling rot has infected their minds lol. They overemphasize the effects of climate change while ignoring everything good and green people are doing which is literally countering said climate change through mitigation and adaptation.
Yet… somehow they want to freeze the entirety of the world, magically build enough wind, solar, and hydro to power everything, then just… turn it back on again.
Yeah, literally everyone would do that if they could. It’s not how reality works lol. Prepare for greenwashing comments for quoting studies that aren’t from the 1970s!
https://insideclimatenews.org/news/03012021/five-aspects-climate-change-2020/
https://www.climate.gov/news-features/climate-qa/can-we-slow-or-even-reverse-global-warming
https://science.nasa.gov/climate-change/adaptation-mitigation/resources/
https://www.un.org/en/un75/climate-crisis-race-we-can-win
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/there-is-still-plenty-we-can-do-to-slow-climate-change/
Yet… somehow they want to freeze the entirety of the world, magically build enough wind, solar, and hydro to power everything, then just… turn it back on again.
No, we want billionaires to stop using so much fucking energy and making things disproportionately worse for everyone
You realize they aren’t the ones using it right?
Sorry, didn’t realize we were doing the theatrical pedantry thing, let me clarify: we want the companies that the billionaires own and control to stop using so much fucking energy and making things disproportionately worse for everyone.
Better?
No, because it’s not billionaires or these companies supplying resources to nobody lol.
Lemmy, Reddit, and whatever social media might all believe they aren’t utilizing these things, but they are. People aren’t dropping literal trillions into tech, infrastructure, design, and pushing stuff to live just because they want to.
End users are utilizing it. And data centers are one of the few things we need more of, not less. Let alone how bullshit the energy and water use statistics are for these places lol. Oh no it used up 6% of the city’s water!.. ignore the manufacturing, bottle water places, agriculture, etc. AI BAD SCARY!
1 AI search = 10 google searches. https://www.snexplores.org/article/green-artificial-intelligence-less-energy-ai-climate
How about watching TikTok? 30 minutes of video daily = 28kg of carbon a year. https://www.globalcitizen.org/en/content/social-media-emissions-carbon-footprint/ or https://www.comparethemarket.com.au/energy/features/social-carbon-footprint-calculator/ or https://yoast.com/carbon-footprint-of-website/
No shit people are utilizing things. That’s not the point. The point is that on the way to providing these services, they harm the environment disproportionately more than you or I. As your first article points out:
"AI doesn’t have to be super, super data-hungry or super, super compute-hungry,” says Donti. Instead, we can “imagine AI differently.”
That’s the point. The billionaires and their megacorps could do it better. Your article points out a bunch of ways for LLMs to use less energy, and the amount of energy doing that would save would be orders of magnitude more than if people cut back or stopped their use, or whatever it is you’re suggesting.
Man if that was practical at this stage they would already be doing it. These people spend tones of money on data center hardware and the energy to run them, and it costs them reputation. If they didn’t have to do all that it would increase their profit margin significantly.
Fuck their profit margins, and fuck the shitty double standard billionaires and their holdings are held to. If I’m expected to be energy conscious as an individual, I don’t think it’s too much to ask for these rich fucks to make their companies energy conscious as well.
