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Not really, US propaganda, so much as Trump propaganda.
Just about everything he’s done for the past decade has shown the interests of the two are mutually exclusive.
Trump is now the US President. It is now the case that “flattering the US” means “flattering Trump”. Sucks
Not really, US propaganda, so much as Trump propaganda.
Just a matter of time, when this is basically the same. Depending on your definition, it could already be the same…
It was Trump’s efforts that led to it being banned in the first place
Congrats! I saved you from being punched (by me).
Probably gonna deal two for flinching and everything.
They’re now also censoring pro-Palestine content.
I mean Google Play did disable downloading it with a freeze warning about the ongoing issue.
Sucking up to Trump is exactly what any company would do right now if they want to ensure further existence and business. Musk and Zuck flipped even faster.
tbh I don’t think it would have been that much different under Biden because he did say he wasn’t interested in enforcing the ban which means he was also probably trying to negotiate TikTok to give partial ownership to someone in the USA. Either that or he lied for optics which is also nothing new lol.
Any TikTok user with any sense or self respect would immediately delete the app and abandon the platform
That’s the neat part
You think too much of the average brainrotter
many are and i have great respect for ‘em
The US didn’t take action to block the app, Tiktok did. Maybe the government would have taken action eventually. It smells like a political plan, where someone at Tiktok agreed to block the app for 24 hours as a political favor.
I’m sure this has no connection with TikTok allegedly sponsoring Trump’s inauguration party…
That makes no sense on the face of it.
First of all the ban comes from the legislative, who made a law and the judiciary who decided it applied in this case.
Secondly the executive might ignore their duty to enforce rulings for a while, sure, but that’s not a long term solution, and not a big achievement.
Thirdly even Biden’s executive was not enforcing the ban, apparently fearing the optics. Now we have gone from Biden’s executive not enforcing the ban to Trump’s executive not enforcing the ban. So there was no effective change.
Tiktok is just doing some political maneuvers here. They were the ones denying access for the last 24h for the optics. Not out of respect for the court’s decision.
It’s literally just China destablizing the US, same as it’s been for years. It doesn’t have to make sense. Weeee 🙃
China or America just shooting itself in the foot with Trump?
Little of column A, little of column B. China’s going to throw fuel on the already burning fire wherever they can.
spot on
This has extreme “future history students will have trouble thinking people took it seriously” vibes.
People don’t recognize history while they are living through it. Right now we are seeing the consolidation of corporate industry with a government led by a cult of personality. One of the “true and classical” definitions of fascism. Yet, people will argue that it’s not actually fascism. No matter how bad it gets, there will always be a large portion of the population who will say its not true fascism because it does not personally affect then in a way they consider fascism. There are plenty of Germans who believed that Nazi Germany did nothing wrong even after having lived through it. That’s they one thing history never taught me, the absolute ignorance and denial of the majority of the population, even after things get incredibly bad and millions die.
Edit: Elon Musk did an unequivocal Nazi salute, twice, during his speech at Trumps inauguration. Just watch, somehow this still does not actually make them fascists
also we’re bad at identifying epochs while we’re in them. it’s possible that “these times” are 1980-2030 and Reagan, Bush 1, Clinton, Bush 2, Obama, Trump, Biden, Trump and whoevers’ next are considered a single continuum.
There is no end to the stupidity of the human race.
That quote is framed and hanging on the wall of Rupert Murdock’s office.
buckle up.
If everything goes back on tracks, they will just learn a distilled down version of the current events like I did about nazism, where nazis were just cartoon villains who did evil for the sake of evil, and never tried to justify their heinous actions. Thus they’ll learn that Elon Musk was at worst mixed with way too many good ideas to completely discount him, no mention of the christian fascists, and all the anti-trans thing will either forgotten, or will just told as “was done for the sake of evil”.
I’m hearing a future conversation:
"So I’m supposed to believe this guy was a young rich internet genius who was already beyond set for life financially, then he risked it all to start (it definitely wasn’t other people for any of these) the impossible electric car revolution, the low cost space industry, global satellite mesh internet, and mind control, right? He was famous enough as “rich smart businessman” that he became a cultural figure. He hosted Saturday Night Live and people said he was the real life Tony Stark while he left a trail of oddly named children in his wake…
And then this deus ex machina of a human just starts flinging shit, calling people pedophiles, being a right wing dictator’s cheerleader, destroying his underlying smart utopian nerd cred, using his “business leadership” to get into the right wing propaganda machine industry, and etches his legacy into stone as a hated incel Lex Luthor figure rather than a hot quirky Tonk Stark.
And it was only at this point that the world’s first trillionaire’s undoing was being double crossed by the dumbest politician to ever walk the earth? Yeah ok. Look, I get that after The New Dawn (blessed be the lost) things were bleak and a little copium could go a long way. But this is a fairytale for children.
To think that He Who Must Not Be Trusted had the public believing in his intellect at ANY point, and then that He Who Must Not Be Named actually pulled the wool over those infected red glowing terminator eyes… Hah! Next you’re going to tell me the sky is blue again!"
ATTENTION HISTORY PROFESSORS!
ATTENTION WAR OF 20XX JUNKIES!
ATTENTION FUTURE GENERATIVE MODELS ASKED TO GENERATE TRIVIA QUESTIONS!
It’s really this dumb. Half the people around us voted to put history’s most embarrassing cartoon villains in charge of history’s most deadly military. AGAIN. I’m sorry the Lemmy archives aren’t super useful to your research at the Never Again Institute, since we’re always like “existential dread and Linux, am I right?” (I use mint btw)
If you had a time portal to ask us any questions about the political climate on what I assume is called “bad black monday,” our answers would be that we have no idea. I assume the archive you need to dig through is called “TruthbooX” or something like that, and that it’s a heinous goldmine.
The real threat isn’t China, it’s dictators from any part of the globe - whether that’s Xi, Putin, or Trump. Or all 3 of them, working together.
Anyone else think it’s oddly convenient how this happens just after Rednote jumps in popularity?
It’s clearly pro-Trump propaganda, but I also can’t help but think there’s more than one motivation going on here. People are jumping to another platform, time to remind them that TikTok is still here! Can’t risk pulling an Elon and losing all those users to an alternative.
But I’m just thinking out loud here. I don’t use TikTok or Rednote, so I don’t know how well they compare. Thoughts?
I think China doesn’t want tiktok users to spread to rednote since they have a large domestic userbase already there, they don’t want influenced americans influencing the chinese population creating influenception.
You’re mistaken. Rednote updated allowing for EN->Mandarin translation for chinese native users and made the settings menu appear in english for english speaking users. The rumors you’ve heard about rednote bifurcating (like Douyin and TikTok) are only rumors.
It amazes me that people will form whole opinions like this with no effort, no personal investigation. You can literally use a vpn to browse it if you’re worried about your data, but I’m willing to bet that you have a marketing machine in your house that you welcomed with open arms. A majority of users on every social media have already had their data sold to every conceivable database, or are young enough that they don’t realize how many datapoints they’re making with their electronic footprint. Think about how likely it is that using a chinese app would actually affect you in any way - we’ve known for years now that health insurance and healthcare companies in the US that aren’t covered by the narrow scope of HIPAA are selling our information, but you’re worried about vine and instagram with storefronts included? Do you even know about marvel SNAP?
I’m completely out of the loop, for I have a flip phone that can’t even get on lemmy nor tiktok as its browser is outdated, so I’m on a pc. I appreciate the bleak outlook on what’s going on though. Just yesterday, a co worker was having a problem logging into her workplace account, I told her that in order to type in capital letters she has to hold down shift for her username. She got upset and said why can’t this be like a smart phone.
It’s over. I accept defeat.
also you’d be amazed how many people use their phones over a pc these days.
Hasn’t even been sworn in yet, and they’re already sucking him off for doing nothing.
Jeffrey Yass, one of their larger investors, is an American and has spent millions lobbying to stop this. He is a Trump adjacent billionaire
Tankies put this one together: china, your favourite little dictatorship, is helping out your most hated almost dictatorship? How is that possible. I thought china was a chad anti usa amd imperialism state. Or maybe theyre also imperalists and just jumped on trumps dick the moment they saw they could profit from it.
Careful with that strawman, breathe on it and it’ll fall over
“Tankies are biased towards China and against the US” isn’t a strawman, it’s part of the core definition of what makes someone a tankie. This is pretty valid criticism of a group with really inconsistently applied values (though it is, perhaps understandably, a little bit smug)
The word “tankie” itself is a thought terminating cliche that allows people to presuppose a complete understanding of another person’s worldview, without engaging in the nuance of their actual position.
It should come as no surprise that the term alone clears the bar for “strawmanning” in some people’s minds.
This is a ridiculous position to hold. Can you name me a single appellation that isn’t used to summarize those thus described? That’s kind of the point of using labels, to categorize things together by their common attribute(s). If we spent all of our time engaging with every single person to the point that we fully understood their perspective and worldview, not only would we never get anything done, we’d be utterly at the mercy of anyone who engages in bad faith.
I see this less as a dichotomy and more as a spectrum, with some labels being far more useful to civil discourse than others.
Not all discourse is intended to be (or even should be) civil, though. A hypothetical citizen of Strawmanslund who venerates Mao Zedong as a hero and visionary, who holds the position that his successes more than make up for his failures, is not a person I want to be laboring under the misapprehension that I could ever respect them.
That’s certainly your prerogative. Personally, I like to engage with as broad a selection of opinions as possible in an effort to avoid being propagandized. I try to not allow my respect, or lack thereof, for a conversational partner to allow me to retreat to a bubble of like-minded opinions. Only by engaging with a diverse range of opinions can I hope to arrive at a nuanced view of the world. Of course, you do need to be adept at recognizing when you’re engaged in bad-faith discussion.
One can listen critically to an argument without having to immediately make up one’s mind.
You shouldn’t use words you do not understand. You cannot present a strawman argument outside the context of a debate or argument.
Not everything is you disagree with is logically flawed. Sometimes things are untrue and logically consistent. Sometimes you’re just wrong. Sometimes the other guy is.
Actually, you can present the fallacy to anyone providing an undistributed middle syllogism, since they’ve “made an argument”. In the post, an undistributed middle is identifiable - “your most hated almost dictatorship”. This is almost certainly not the same even among tankies, so the user is putting forth an argument with poor logic from the get-go. You’re not actually educated about logic except by youtube videos from people using greek or roman figures as avatars, are you?
Right on, buddy! Logic nerds forever! Screw those “pathos” and “ethos” thingies, what possible use could they be? We, the high and mighty logicians, know that Logos is the only one that matters! Appeal to logos or appeal to death, amirite??
(Just to be clear here, this is a pretty nerdy website. If you’re going to pose an argument like this, you should make sure it’s sound before throwing down the “bruh do u even see how educated I am” gauntlet…)
It was so odd that they didnt mention him in their goodbye as he was the one who started that train a rolling
Also odd that they self banned, Biden explicitly said he wasn’t bothering to enforce.
So TikTok blocked themselves just to suck up to Trump.
they did mention him :/
this was the first message that came before the one in OP
OP meant that it’s odd they didn’t blame him for being the reason that a law banning the app was even considered, since he started that train rolling while he was in office.
nah i get it i was just adding more sad snark. thanx for adding clarity tho :3
If you think it’s bad now, look again in 4 years.
I’m particularly looking forward to “No no no no” playing over the top of a video of an ICE raid goon smashing a mother of three in the face with the butt of his rifle for trying to protect her kids, while that horrid robotic woman’s voice says “get out of America bitch”.
While usually i would say that you are completely insane if you write something so deranged, in this case you basically wrote down something that probably happened and will happen multiple other times. The tone is completely justified as well
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