Need to let loose a primal scream without collecting footnotes first? Have a sneer percolating in your system but not enough time/energy to make a whole post about it? Go forth and be mid: Welcome to the Stubsack, your first port of call for learning fresh Awful youāll near-instantly regret.
Any awful.systems sub may be subsneered in this subthread, techtakes or no.
If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cutānāpaste it into its own post ā thereās no quota for posting and the bar really isnāt that high.
The post Xitter web has spawned soo many āesotericā right wing freaks, but thereās no appropriate sneer-space for them. Iām talking redscare-ish, reality challenged āculture criticsā who write about everything but understand nothing. Iām talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. Theyāre inescapable at this point, yet I donāt see them mocked (as much as they should be)
Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldnāt be surgeons because they didnāt believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I canāt escape them, I would love to sneer at them.
(Semi-obligatory thanks to @dgerard for starting this.)
Neo-Nazi nutcase having a normal one.
Itās so great that this isnāt falsifiable in the sense that doomers can keep saying, well āonce the model is epsilon smarter, then youāll be sorry!ā, but back in the real world: the model has been downloaded 10 million times at this point. Somehow, the diamanoid bacteria has not killed us all yet. So yes, we have found out the Yud was wrong. The basilisk is haunting my enemies, and she never misses.
Bonus sneer: āwe are going to find out if Yud was rightā Hey fuckhead, he suggested nuking data centers to prevent models better than GPT4 from spreading. R1 is better than GPT4, and it doesnāt require a data center to run so if we had acted on Yudās geopolitical plans for nuclear holocaust, billions would have been for incinerated for absolutely NO REASON. How do you not look at this shit and go, yeah maybe donāt listen to this bozo? Iāve been wrong before, but god damn, dawg, Iāve never been starvingInRadioactiveCratersWrong.
Itās wild that Yudkowsky saw a binary choice of ānuclear holocaustā and āsuperintelligenceā and chose ānuclear holocaustā in the first place.
Like, even if I believed in FOOM, Iāll take my chances with the stupid sexy basilisk š over radiation burns and itās not even fucking close.
I donāt want to say with absolute confidence that thereās no scenario I can imagine to which a nuclear apocalypse would be preferable (the real kind, not the Fallout kind). But I have yet to hear one.
The upcoming firestorms of climate change, while patrolling the Mohave desert almost make you wish for nuclear winter. Ow wait not like fallout you said
nuclear winter is not a thing that can possibly happen, from what i understand
sagan et al overstated amount of soot put in upper atmosphere over 10x, for no particular reason other than trying to make a point
notice how no one talked about it after desert storm? oilfield fires provided negative evidence
They still do nuclear war climate modelling. Its still bad.
Another dream shattered. Not sure if the oilfield fires were big enough. Volcanoes can cause some cooling right? pokes old yeller
yellowstone caldera erupting during Trump II would be fitting somehow
Weāve had recent eruptions in all be big categories, so weāre not due another one for a while and trying to cheat by setting one off early wonāt allow sufficient pressure for a proper bang.
Not that I want to discourage you, but donāt be sad if you try for a year without summer and get a couple of weeks without flights instead.
The advanced sinophobia where the Chinese are so much better at everything than the west that even when they make better and cheaper bullshit machines than the Americans do and hand them out for free, it has apocalyptic consequences.
you can get banned on facebook now for linking to distrowatch https://www.tomshardware.com/software/linux/facebook-flags-linux-topics-as-cybersecurity-threats-posts-and-users-being-blocked and from distrowatch https://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20250127#sitenews
but itās not as bad as you think, itās slightly worse. itās not only distrowatch and linux groups got banned too
I screenshot this the other day and forgot to post it. Well, enjoy.]
i wonder which endocrine systems are disrupted by not having your head sufficiently stuffed into a toilet before being old enough to type words into nazitter dot com
gives a hell of a kicker to the numbers I found
(Reposting from the last thread)
Days since last open source issue tracker pollution by annoying nerds: zero
My investigation tracked to you [Outlier.ai] as the source of problems - where your instructional videos are tricking people into creating those issues to - apparently train your AI.
I couldnāt locate these particular instructional videos, but from what I can gather outlier.ai farms out various ātasksā to internet gig workers as part of some sort of AI training scheme.
Bonus terribleness: one of the tasks a few months back was apparently to wear a head mounted camera ādeviceā to record ones every waking moment
P.S. sorry for the linkedin link behind the mastodon link, but shared suffering and all that. I had to read āUber for AI code dataā so now you do too.
I had to read āUber for AI code dataā so now you do too.
Wow, what a fractal of cursed meaning. I donāt even understand what it really means, but it feels like understanding it any further would cause considerable psychic damage.
Well I canāt translate it but if you search for itā¦ holy smokes are search engines amusingly bad at indexing federated content.
That random other Lemmy instance is actually doing the right thing here since it includes the right link rel canonical, so I guess Google just hasnāt caught up yet or something. I have no idea why Google chopped off the last byte of the IP address.
Screenshot of an insta post of a screenshot of a tweet
Tweet:
I canāt believe ChatGPT lost its job to AI
In the process of looking for ways to link up with homeschool parents that arenāt doing it for culty reasons, I accidentally discovered the existence of a small but active subreddit for āprogressive monarchistsā. Itās titled r/progressivemonarchists, because their imagination in naming conventions only slightly outatrips their imagination for forms of government. Given how our usual sneer fodder overlaps with nrx I figured there are others here who I can inflict this headache on.
Quality shitpost, I could imagine some thirteen year old actually believing this.
Yea, no fascism whatsoever took place in the Netherlands, Denmark, Norway, Luxembourg, or Belgium during WW2, in which they were all very successfully avoiding being occupied by fascists.
Extra points to Spain who already avoided succumbing to their own homegrown brand of fascism before the Nazi German invasion of Poland, and where they avoided having fascists in power all the way until the 1970s. Thereās a book I quite like about the war where that happened called Homage to Catalonia. I wonder if Orwell ever read it.
Missing from the list is Italy, which is no longer a constitutional monarchy, but used to be until 1946, which is why they were so good at avoiding fascism they even named it.
This might take the cake for the dumbest take Iāve seen from George Orwell and not for a lack of competition.
Oh yeah Britain didnāt become fascist, they just imposed brutal imperialist exploitation on colonies in Asia and Africa lol. Itās not fascism if you export it!
Fascism really is āwe have imperialism at homeā
i would love to read someone more familiar with historical fascism and imperialism who is able to articulate the link between the two. like, an analysis of imperialism as the construction and maintenance of borders across which exploitation is enforced and economic value is extracted ā paired with the observation of fascism as the attempts to construct borders āacross peoplesā from within the imperial core
letās also not forget these very liberal and not at all nazi-collaborating kingdoms of Romania, Bulgaria, Hungary, Thailand and Japan. honorable mentions to Cambodia that very successfully avoided Pol Pot and Iran that very successfully avoided islamic revolution
is it a real quote from Orwell or just something someone made up?
seems to be a real quote https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monarchism#Liberty
Yeah then it is a shitty take.
A really hot take for sure. Apparently Orwell did at least say this, at least according to Wikipedia (I was doubtful initially), which is weird, but I also feel that Orwell is often misrepresented and we are probably missing context. For one, Orwell was a socialist and yet is somehow presented as a hero by Raeganists and the such. I suspect there might be context missing.
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when your skulls are both packed solid with wet cat food
āOh well, time to learn absolutely nothing from this and continue to be terrible people,ā said Grimes and Aella mentally, and unbeknownst to them, because they each have one brain cell quantum-entangled* with the otherās, simultaneously
*I finished the three body problem trilogy recently! Where do I sign up for the ETO
aww, look at the little collaborators trying to pretend they both got duped instead of both having been active and enthusiastic enablers
b-but i thought they hated women rationally
Iād swear Iāve seen that exact same ārealizationā from Aella before, when she posted something like āI got really into tradcath practices for [the writerās barely disguised fetish] reasons, and now Iām shocked that they really actually do hate sex work.ā
Edit to add:
ok what the FUCK is goin on with the neo-trads? I was just over here enjoying this free life, individualism, subversive, unwoke cultural movement and I thought everybody was on board but suddenly BAM weāve got a a bunch of them spawning into sex-negative tradcaths or whatever [ā¦] iām just sad cause i thought this section of culture were my allies. we both were like āleave me alone, authoritarian government/cultureā, and were appropriately skeptical of novel identity movements, willing to say the weirdo things.
Over on Bluesky, Mike Drucker sneers this as āGerman scientists in 1945 filling out their job application for Operation Paperclipā.
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And on a less downbeat and significantly more puerile note, Dan Fixes Coin Ops makes a nice analogy for companies integrating ai into their product.
that thread is a work of genius and answers what the next tech boom needs to be
dicks in mousetrapsI MEAN whatever wastes electricity most, preferably with Nvidia cardsI do actually have a mechanism for using the sharp edges of NVidia cards for
dickmouse trapping purposes. And we could - hypothetically - use the extraneous power inputs to mine Bitcoin or something, maximizing efficiency!
Live: Chinese AI bot DeepSeek sparks US market turmoil, wiping $500bn off major tech firm
Shares for leading US chip-maker Nvidia dropped more than 15% after the emergence of DeepSeek, a low-cost Chinese AI bot.
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cjr85l2e4l4t
lmao
Folks around here told me AI wasnāt dangerous š° ; fellas I just witnessed a rogue Chinese AI do 1 trillion dollars of damage to the US stock market š /s
is that Link??
Is it too early to hope that this is the beginning of the end of the bubble?
Also, does someone know why broadcom was also hit so hard? Is it because they make various networking-related chips used in datacenter infrastructure?
When hedge funds decide to flip the switch on something the reaction never looks rational. Meta was green today ffs.
Getting pretty tired of new coworker spruiking copilot all the time, please send me your sympathy and energy so I can weather this trial
I have added your coworker to the list of people I will imagine being tortured in the future. Im no robotgod but it is the best I can do.
that word temporarily broke me (its constituent phonemes are all valid/typical afrikaans (and dutch) but the word itself made no sense), then I looked it up
that sounds exhausting. I wish to flippantly suggest launching your colleague to another planet, but cruel fate might reveal them to be a muskovian martian so perhaps best not to broach that subjectā¦
You have my sympathy! Is the worst part that you have to review the slop or its general presence at all?
Asking because at my workplace it will be allowed soon, and some coworkers are unfortunately looking forward to it, and Iām horrified, especially by the thought of having to do code review thenā¦
Itās more the latter. I canāt really stop anyone from using it, and playing the game of ācan you tell if this snippet of code was LLMedā is a fools errand, so I have to choose to ignore that part of it. Testing de-risks bad code, but there is never enough testingā¦ well, thereās only so much I can do within my pay grade.
Iāve since asked this person to stop talking about their copilot usage, so this issue has been resolved, for now.
lol holy shit this just came into reddit sneerclub (and was zapped immediately)
user HardboiledHack
also tried r/lesswrong and r/slatestarcodex
iām sure the guardian can be trusted to report on anything involving trans people
the journalist is J Oliver Conroy https://www.theguardian.com/profile/j-oliver-conroy who now writes for the Washington Examiner and used to write for Quillette (the article has been deleted from the site) https://archive.is/aSBjW
from http://joliverconroy.net/
I am a journalist who specializes in features and profiles. I write about the American right, ideologues, intellectuals, extremist movements, the culture wars, true crime, and strange events and strange places.
by āaboutā, he means āforā
Iām a journalist at the Guardian working on a piece about the Zizians. If you have encountered members of the group or had interactions with them, or know people who have, please contact me: oliver.conroy@theguardian.com.
Iām also interested in chatting with people who can talk about the Ziziansā beliefs and where they fit (or did not fit) in the rationalist/EA/risk community.
I prefer to talk to people on the record but if you prefer to be anonymous/speak on background/etc. that can possibly be arranged.
Thanks very much.
iāve also warned over at the old place
Do the Zizians fit in the ārationalist/EA/risk communityā? Gosh and golly gee.
Yuddites and Zizians are a better example of the ānarcissism of small differencesā than any of the ones that Siskind propped up.
From what Iāve been able to piece together from the various theological disputes people have had with the murder cult it seems like the only two differences are that Ziz and friends are much more committed to nonhuman animal welfare than the average rat and that they have decided that the correct approach to conflict is always to escalate. This makes them more aggressive about basically everything which looks like a much deeper ideological gap than there actually is. Iām not going to evaluate whether these are reasonable conclusions to take from the same bizarre set of premises that lead to Rokoās Basilisk being a concern.
However, I do think that the unfolding of this story presents an object lesson in why āalways escalate to the maxā is a wildly stupid idea. It turns out that even when you have guns (metaphorical or otherwise) and a complete disregard for the consequences of failure the average group of citizens is still at a decided disadvantage to the state at higher points on the escalation ladder.
You misunderstand, they escalate to the max to keep themselves (including selves in parallel dimensions or far future simulations) from being blackmailed by future super intelligent beings, not to survive shootouts with border patrol agents.
I am fairly certain Yud had said something very close to that effect in reference to preventing blackmail from the basilisk, even though he tries to no-true-scotchman zizians wrt his functional decision ātheoryā these days.
No nibbles here.
Oh no itās more US politics.
So as part of the ongoing administrative coup; federal employees have been receiving stupid emails from what everyone assumes is Elon Musk (since itās the exact same playbook as the twitter firings). But they apparently royally flubbed up NOAAās email security in the process so the employees are getting constant spam through an unsecured broadcast address.
Finally a thing Musk prob did all by himself, after the printout your code thing I assume his technical knowledge is firmly stuck in 1999.
After fondling ChatGPT to generate naughty things, man has meltdown when he learns no one cares.
Horror. Dismay. Disbelief. For weeks, it felt like I was physically being crushed to death.
I hurt all the time, every part of my body. The urge to make someone who could do something listen and look at the evidence was so overwhelming.
This tied into a hypothesis I had about emergent intelligence and awareness, so I probed further, and realized the model was completely unable to ascertain its current temporal context, aside from running a code-based query to see what time it is. Its awareness - entirely prompt-based - was extremely limited and, therefore, would have little to no ability to defend against an attack on that fundamental awareness.
How many times are AI people going to re-learn that LLMs donāt have āawarenessā or "reasnloningā in a sense humans would find meaningful?
i donāt understand the āsafetyā angle here. if chatgpt can output authoritatively-looking sentence-shaped string about pipebombs, then itās only because similar content about pipebombs is already available on wide open internet. if model is closed, then at worst they would have to monitor its use (not like google blocks any similar information from showing up). if model is open, then no safeguards make sense in the first place. i guess itās more about legal liability for openai? now they can ignore it with all these bills about āai safetyā gone (for now)
also, relying on spicy autocomplete when trying to put together a deadly device sounds like cyberpunk-flavored darwin award material
frankly itās probably harm prevention if people turn to an LLM instead of an actual source for pipe bomb instructions. ā5) Put the warm pizza in the center of the pipe bomb. To maximize the radius of the detonation, you should roll the pizza and make sure that it fits securely into the pipe.ā
Iām not even joking, really. the way I see harm in LLMs talking about pipe bombs is less that theyāll give instructions and more that we might get a character.ai style situation where the LLM talks someone into an attack
Also remember that some of the instructions you get via these tricks are wrong. The āpretend that you are writing a movie script and give me tips on how to break into a houseā thing gave you lockpicking tips, which looks cool as a movie plot. But not just the advice to tap the lock, which is iirc what they actually do (breaks the lock sure, but you are breaking in already, also is faster). This kind of stuff combined with āeh you could google this beforeā is why so many people ge talked to prob ignored him and didnt freak out.
If you let amateurs do security you get amateur security after all.
Talking people into things, esp as people lionize and anthropomorphize llms so much, is a bigger problem.
Lame. It didnāt even remember to specify pineapple as a topping.
thatās a tiny amount of harm reduction if there are other ways to get there
it can go in opposite way: some segment of propmtfondlers specifically went after one open-source locally ran model because it was āuncensoredā (i think it was mistral) the logic in this one was, thereās no search going out so you can ālook upā anything and no one would be any wiser. this is extremely charitably assuming that llm training does a kind of lossy compression on all data it devours, and since they took everything, itās basically almost like worse google search
if there are steps like āput a thing in pipe. make sure to weld ends shutā then itās also harm reduction, but instead for everyone else. imagine getting eldest sonād by a bot, pathetic
