Phyllis Fong, a 22-year veteran of the department, had earlier told colleagues that she intended to stay after the White House terminated her on Friday, saying that she didn’t believe the administration had followed proper protocols, the sources said.

In an email to colleagues on Saturday, reviewed by Reuters, she said the independent council of the inspectors general on integrity and efficiency “has taken the position that these termination notices do not comply with the requirements set out in law and therefore are not effective at this time”.

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    Build union power, mass strike action is a necessity and the only way to prove who runs the country.

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        I’m talking broadly, US unions should be showing solidarity to government workers getting fired and put in place mass strike action. So employment in any and all industries necessitates union membership. That is union power.

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        This the plan. No government -> no regulations. No regulations -> no lube. No lube -> the US citizenry’s anus. Gaping, flaccid, prolapsed US citizenry’s anus’ -> corporate profits.

        Metaphorically speaking of course.

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    The amount of corruption will definitely turn the USA into another China and Russia. Wake up Congress! This is under your watch.

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    Escorted out by whom? Who marched into a government building to follow this illegal order?

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    Oh I see why they fired her. She’s not a white guy kissing Trump’s ass.

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    The USDA office staff should’ve barricaded the building to keep the jackbooted thugs out.

    That is the level of resistance we need to be at, at this point.

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      They should’ve, yet they didn’t. All this 2A stuff Americans have been hyping up for decades has really just been a pose this whole time. All a bluff, and now that the fascists are not only within their shores, but in the highest offices of power? It is a beyond imaginably fucked situation right now, even with all this controversy it doesn’t resemble a fraction of how alarmed we should all be. There needs to be a mass panic, or people need to act RIGHT NOW.

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        American here, and what you wrote sounds pretty good on the surface. The problem is that the nutty vocal 2A fanatics are the exact people who delighted in putting the fascists in charge.

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        These cosplaying-few day old accounts need to get a life. Love how much you’ve distorted the reality of the situation thinking the 2A crowd is the same ones declaring fascists are in charge now. Please tell us more how an individual should put themselves into harms-way while you type behind your brave keyboard.

        The lady refused to leave her post till forcefully removed, same action as a sit-in which was effective as a peaceful demonstration of a protest during the civil rights era. The fact that you’re telling people to arm up in a government building makes me think you’re just another Jan 6’er or watch way too much entertainment thinking it’s facts.

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      Rule of Law is being replaced by Rule of Power

      I’m happy she made a stand, and its being talked about. I, like you, doubt anything will really come of it, but it does highlight the change.

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        She did the right thing by making them force her out

        I’m pasting Timothy Snyder’s Twenty Lessons on Fighting Tyranny from the Twentieth Century here.

        I think #1 is incredibly important in these dark times. Donald Trump and his cronies can make all the decrees they want, but these decrees depend on people obeying. Any resistance is better than none.


        1. Do not obey in advance. Most of the power of authoritarianism is freely given. In times like these, individuals think ahead about what a more repressive government will want, and then offer themselves without being asked. A citizen who adapts in this way is teaching power what it can do.

        1. Defend institutions. It is institutions that help us to preserve decency. They need our help as well. Do not speak of “our institutions” unless you make them yours by acting on their behalf. Institutions do not protect themselves. So choose an institution you care about and take its side.

        2. Beware the one-party state. The parties that remade states and suppressed rivals were not omnipotent from the start. They exploited a historic moment to make political life impossible for their opponents. So support the multi-party system and defend the rules of democratic elections.

        3. Take responsibility for the face of the world. The symbols of today enable the reality of tomorrow. Notice the swastikas and other signs of hate. Do not look away, and do not get used to them. Remove them yourself and set an example for others to do so.

        4. Remember professional ethics. When political leaders set a negative example, professional commitments to just practice become important. It is hard to subvert a rule-of-law state without lawyers, or to hold show trials without judges. Authoritarians need obedient civil servants, and concentration camp directors seek businessmen interested in cheap labor.

        5. Be wary of paramilitaries. When the men with guns who have always claimed to be against the system start wearing uniforms and marching around with torches and pictures of a Leader, the end is nigh. When the pro-leader paramilitary and the official police and military intermingle, the end has come.

        6. Be reflective if you must be armed. If you carry a weapon in public service, God bless you and keep you. But know that evils of the past involved policemen and soldiers finding themselves, one day, doing irregular things. Be ready to say no.

        7. Stand out. Someone has to. It is easy to follow along. It can feel strange to do or say something different. But without that unease, there is no freedom. Remember Rosa Parks. The moment you set an example, the spell of the status quo is broken, and others will follow.

        8. Be kind to our language. Avoid pronouncing the phrases everyone else does. Think up your own way of speaking, even if only to convey that thing you think everyone is saying. Make an effort to separate yourself from the internet. Read books.

        9. Believe in truth. To abandon facts is to abandon freedom. If nothing is true, then no one can criticize power because there is no basis upon which to do so. If nothing is true, then all is spectacle. The biggest wallet pays for the most blinding lights.

        10. Investigate. Figure things out for yourself. Spend more time with long articles. Subsidize investigative journalism by subscribing to print media. Realize that some of what is on the internet is there to harm you. Learn about sites that investigate propaganda campaigns (some of which come from abroad). Take responsibility for what you communicate to others.

        11. Make eye contact and small talk. This is not just polite. It is part of being a citizen and a responsible member of society. It is also a way to stay in touch with your surroundings, break down social barriers, and understand whom you should and should not trust. If we enter a culture of denunciation, you will want to know the psychological landscape of your daily life.

        12. Practice corporeal politics. Power wants your body softening in your chair and your emotions dissipating on the screen. Get outside. Put your body in unfamiliar places with unfamiliar people. Make new friends and march with them.

        13. Establish a private life. Nastier rulers will use what they know about you to push you around. Scrub your computer of malware. Remember that email is skywriting. Consider using alternative forms of the Internet, or simply using it less. Have personal exchanges in person. For the same reason, resolve any legal trouble.

        14. Contribute to good causes. Be active in organizations, political or not, that express your own view of life. Pick a charity or two and set up autopay.

        15. Learn from peers in other countries. Keep up your friendships abroad, or make new friends abroad. The present difficulties in the United States are an element of a larger trend. And no country is going to find a solution by itself. Make sure you and your family have passports.

        16. Listen for dangerous words. Be alert to the use of the words extremism and terrorism. Be alive to the fatal notions of emergency and exception. Be angry about the treacherous use of patriotic vocabulary.

        17. Be calm when the unthinkable arrives. Modern tyranny is terror management. When the terrorist attack comes, remember that authoritarians exploit such events in order to consolidate power. Do not fall for it.

        18. Be a patriot. Set a good example of what America means for the generations to come.

        19. Be as courageous as you can. If none of us is prepared to die for freedom, then all of us will die under tyranny.

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        To be fair, rule of law IS rule of power. Laws are only ever as good as how well they are/can be enforced.

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        I don’t want to criticize her too strongly because I absolutely think she did the right thing by ignoring the bullshit firing Friday night and going into work Monday, but why isn’t she commenting publicly on this and why are we only finding out days after the fact that this happened?

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            I think that ship sailed when she told her coworkers that she was going to ignore Trump’s illegal order and continue coming into work, at this point more publicity on this is only going to limit what they can do to her

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              Just because she made a mistake in the beginning doesn’t mean that she should start making more mistakes now.

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                I don’t think she made a mistake by resisting Trump’s illegal firing order, that’s probably the smartest way to deal with a fascist American empire because it’s not like appeasement or running is any guarantee so you might as well resist, but now that she’s landed on the administration’s radar anyway it would be in her own interest and the country’s to push back publicly. It’s not like they’re going to forgive her for keeping quiet now and the more people who know her name the more political capital it will cost them to go after her.

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          Non partisan bureaucrats/government workers are important for a functioning government.

          Had she come out loudly and vociferously condemning the Trump Administration they would have just accused her of being another partisan making it easier to dismiss her.

          I’m sure privately she is pulling no punches. But it’s up to us to be outraged and incensed for them in this case and push the issue. These are people who did their job. Serving the public regardless of who was in power. And we all will be the ones to suffer from these fascists. Not just her.

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            Had she come out loudly and vociferously condemning the Trump Administration they would have just accused her of being another partisan making it easier to dismiss her.

            Except they already dismissed her at that point, any possible influence she could gain by keeping this quiet was already gone

            I’m sure privately she is pulling no punches

            I don’t think that’s very helpful, we need public resistance

            But it’s up to us to be outraged and incensed

            My therapist would tell you I’m doing my part and then some

            These are people who did their job

            She was doing her job up until the point she failed to keep the public informed about what was happening with their government

            we all will be the ones to suffer from these fascists. Not just her.

            Totally agreed, a lot of us are at risk of suffering a lot more than a job loss and security escort

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              Dismissed her illegally. This is only just the start. And everything she is done at this point has been to strengthen her standing legally. While I don’t think much more unfortunately come of this. There will be plenty of government legal professionals helping and watching closely. Because they know they are being eyed on The Chopping Block as well unless they lick the taint.

              If we need public resistance then let’s resist as the public. Calling for a private citizen to do the acts everyone else should be doing is just inane and counterproductive. But normal for so many of the counter productive Palestine shouters. Which help me refresh my memory. I seem to recall that you were one of the very vocal ones. Calling out and condemning people for asking people to vote for Harris against the actual fascist etc. How’s that all working out for you? Palestinians safe?

              I’d like you to consider something for me. Perhaps there is more to resistance and pushing back than being loud visible obnoxious and divisive. Sometimes you need to remain a calm, composed. Keep your powder dry and know when and how to fight your battles.

              As this is dragged through the courts and litigated. She will be a very sympathetic figure to many. Every time she shows up in the headlines it will reflect badly on this Administration. And because of her behavior she will be a lot harder to dismiss than someone like yourself. But it is absolutely necessary for someone like us to help keep this in the right guys and in the media. To keep people talking about it. They would love for it to be overwhelmed and forgotten amongst the Litany of other offenses.

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                If we need public resistance then let’s resist as the public

                How is the public supposed to tell journalists what happened in a USDA office this week? Most of us weren’t there.

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          There’s a lot of news happening all at once. Overwhelming is the goal.

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            No, we didn’t miss it, it’s only just being reported on today, and even then only because anonymous sources told us about it.

            Fong should have made a public statement or held a press conference Monday afternoon raising the alarm on this, fascists have a harder time doing their worst when everyone’s watching and they’re forced to keep justifying their unhinged behavior. If nothing else, she’s already going to be punished like she did this anyway.

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              Overwhelming journalists too. She made her statement on Saturday.

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                I don’t see how she could have made a statement Saturday about being physically ejected from her office on Monday

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                  Sorry, I misread or misunderstood something. She announced her intention to stay on Saturday, and was walked out Monday. The news picked it up today, Wednesday.

                  Like I said, there’s so much going on, and only so many journalists. They may not hear about it from someone at USDA immediately. It’s unlikely Fong would have called them up herself.

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      Every country, no matter the system, is only as just and lawful as those with power enforce it to be. No human system of governance has overcome the problem of crooked individuals using power as they please.

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        But there is mechanisms in place to remove abusers of power, that also takes non compliance to the law in order for those with power to abuse it. Thanks sen Collins…

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    Ms. Fong is correct. Let’s start with the wrongful termination suits. And let’s stop reacting to these fascists, instead let’s seek injunctions, and other proactive things. They’ve told us their plans. It’s well past time to get active!

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      Exactly. I keep hearing “how can they do this” or “they can’t do this” exasperated and aimless energy from the democrat/liberal crowd, which needs to be channeled into literally any form of action rather than perpetual reaction. Yes, there will always be tomorrow’s new atrocity. No, it won’t really be a surprise, they wrote a damn manual on it. What effort, big or small, can be done today?

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      Trump bilked the courts for years. Tying them up to great effect. Why don’t we do it back?

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          One very simple reason. How are court decisions ultimately enforced? By police, with force. Even if you win in court what police or federal agency will stand against the administration? None. Why? Fear of retaliation. Which is the same thing I’d be thinking if I was considering making a court case against Trump. The math is simple: stand up against a broken system and put a target on your back or sit down quietly and hope they don’t come for your family. This will be happening in many people’s minds. I hope I’d have the courage to stand up like this person did, but honestly I don’t know. Guess it depends on how bad it gets.

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        because we want a working functioning government and not just to fuck things up. Tying up the courts just mucks everything up.

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          I don’t see use ever going back to something “normal” without first tearing everything down first. Either from internal or external means. Things have only been getting worse since I’ve been politically aware.

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            Which I guess is why palestine will soon be at something normal. Nope. Tearying everything down is not a good way to go. Please give me a historical example of everything being torn down resulting in a better result. Sure you can look at how some power went down and another better one eventually became the norm but that is over decades and centuries and often different parts of the world. Things do not work that way.

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              Not having to tear things down would be great, but how do we do that at this point? The president is above the law, and has Congress, the courts, cops, a newly-freed legion of brownshirts, and an actual cult on his side. His party’s been getting away with ratfucking elections for at least 25 years.

              I certainly think we can tear things down nonviolently, but we’re out of ways to do this politely. I don’t know how we get past the right-wing propaganda machine or government not being very democratic in the first place. We need to hugely expand the House, get rid of the Senate, and limit federal judge terms at the very least, and none of those are going to happen as long as the federal government is stacked in fascists’ favor. The last meaningful amendment was passed in 1971.

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                well one way is to not allow the worse option that is pushing our worst things to win elections at all. This could be done if everyone who does not like their ways would actually just consistently vote against them at every level. Tearing things down means no support for anything. We have to fight things in the courts and at the ballot box and on the streets. Heck luigi showed a pretty good thing to. There are not all that many that need to go and we don’t want to destroy poor neighborhoods to get things done.

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              I never said that it’s a good way, but every democrat that gets elected does nothing to pull back the overreach of the previous republican.

              Please give me a historical example of everything being torn down resulting in a better result.

              Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan. Guess what those two regimes have in common with the current US government.

              If we don’t do something internally, the US government is going to go to war with the good guys.

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                both of those examples were basically rebuilt by the us. that is an anomaly and what is the society that is going to rebuild us better even if it were to happen again? What happened to germany when after ww1 when an outside force did not guide its rebuild? This is not something anyone should want.

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                  I want to have concentration camps less then I want to be invaded by Europe and have my government rebuilt. On a personal level, this government has done me dirty and I owe it nothing.

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      I would like to see a judge put a block on all new executive orders until the current ones are adjudicated. There should be some number of contested orders that demand that they are not being made in good faith. The executive could always push the trial process as fast as possible to get back to it.

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        You want our current judiciary system to have the power to nullify the presidents power? How is that a proper checks and balances approach?

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          I get you but there needs to be some limit to presidents sending out executive orders that exceed their power. This already has a precidence it would simply add that if presidents flood the system with executive orders that result in suits that they stop making them till adjucated. I do hate the idea but I see no other way to balance abuse like this.

          "President Harry Truman’s Executive Order 10340 placed all the country’s steel mills under federal control, which was found invalid in Youngstown Sheet & Tube Co. v. Sawyer, 343 US 579 (1952), because it attempted to make law, rather than to clarify or to further a law put forth by the Congress or the Constitution. Presidents since that decision have generally been careful to cite the specific laws under which they act when they issue new executive orders; likewise, when presidents believe that their authority for issuing an executive order stems from within the powers outlined in the Constitution, the order instead simply proclaims “under the authority vested in me by the Constitution”. " https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_order#History_and_use

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    The White House defended the firing of Fong and the other inspectors general, saying “these rogue, partisan bureaucrats … have been relieved of their duties in order to make room for qualified individuals who will uphold the rule of law and protect Democracy.”

    They really have the doublespeak down.

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      rogue, partisan = nonpartisan

      qualified = sycophantic

      uphold the rule of law and protect Democracy = ride Trump’s cock

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    After everything, I do still generally respect and like Jon Stewart, but even I found his piece this week on the Daily Show to be some real weak ass shit. I try my best to keep ahold of myself, not run away too much with assumptions or conspiratorial thinking. But you don’t have to wait for them to do 100% fascist shit to start calling them fascists.

    The White House defended the firing of Fong and the other inspectors general, saying “these rogue, partisan bureaucrats … have been relieved of their duties in order to make room for qualified individuals who will uphold the rule of law and protect Democracy.”

    This. This right here. They are screaming their intent at us and we don’t need to wait for them to do it to respectably call them fascists. Like to be clear I guess he can do this but the way he did it is potentially incorrect? Regardless, that’s not what I want to hear you say when you do it to a 22-year veteran of the department.

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      I do still generally respect and like Jon Stewart, but even I found his piece this week on the Daily Show to be some real weak ass shit.

      I’m glad you brought this up because I’ve noticed the tone change in all the media as well. I don’t blame them and understand. They spent months or years screaming and calling out Trump after spending years during his first term pointing out everything wrong.

      Everyone’s burnt out, you can hear it in the jokes and the incredulous chuckles that come out from segments now. They all tried their best but it didn’t change the outcome, that has to make you take a step back. I honestly would probably do the same, you can’t keep bombarding people with multiple items a day and expect them not to tune it out eventually. They know it’s time to switch to a better long-term strategy than what they’ve been trying to do calling out all the bullshit with intensity.

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      After everything, I do still generally respect and like Jon Stewart

      What’s this everything you refer to?

      I think Jon Stewart has been a pretty stand up guy unlike his liberal/conservative flip flopping friend Stephen Colbert.

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          I actually worked with a guy that really hated Stephen Colbert. He was disgusting in many ways, early alt-right. One day I realized that he wasn’t mad about Colbert mocking conservatives, he actually believed it was an honest conservative political show. He loved The Colbert Report. He took it at face value. So when Colbert “came out” as a liberal it broke his heart. He thought the guy turned his back on his ideology for money.

          I could not convince him that the Colbert Report was satire. These people really exist.

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        There have been growing criticisms of him coming from the left for a bit now on how some of his tendencies to diffuse situations learns more towards liberalism than leftism. This isn’t an outright attack on him or to say he’s moving rightward overall. I need to watch this video again but I think this is the one that touches on a bunch of the points, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hCxHvogsTY

        From a comment on the video, “Jon Stewart made me a liberal as a child, adulthood made me a leftist.”

        If you like Jon Stewart I’m not trying to say you shouldn’t. But as someone who has continually been moving left, I do feel more distance from him than I used to is all.

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            Hes not moving right hes always tried to work across the aisle something leftists could learn a thing about

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            Is your political stance based off of policy or the individuals that make up the constituents of politicians that claim to be left? I don’t understand how some rhetoric from “lefists” have changed your views on policy. Might want to step off of political discourse online if you’re being swayed by “personalities”, it’s exactly the kind of discourse bad-actors are trying to implement.

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              Leftist are as flaky with their policies as they are with the people they choose to lead them.

              They’re not a unified front right now so there’s no reason to back them.

              At least the liberals get in power quite often.

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            Hey, fair. I know the overall political left has always been plagued with infighting and purity testing. I’d like to at least do my part in bridging the gap between leftists and liberals by not getting in your face about not panicking over this shit if you’ll still allow me the same space to entertain my concern without calling me hysterical. Deal?

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        Only thing I can remember bad about Jon Stewart was that he didn’t say who owned the Wall Street building during the occupy Wall Street movement. But even that is minor since you generally keep family stuff private.

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      Exactly! Get names. The order was illegal. “Just following orders” isn’t justification. Get those security people in court. Get their manager. Get everyone at every step in the decision-making chain. Make people second guess whether participating in a thing that’s “controversial” is a good idea. The little foot soldiers should be worried about just doing things because the boss said so.

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      “Security agents” according to the article, whatever that means

      I guess they work for the Department of “You Ask a Lot of Questions for Somebody in Imprisoning Range”

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      The article says “security agents”. Probably contract security.

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    Good for her. Step one in resistance is not just complying with illegal orders. A step the news organizations have been woefully failing at. “[T]he White House terminated her” just assumes correctness and ability. They’ll “allege” a crime that was recorded and broadcast to the public, but just accept Trump’s framing of actions that are plainly illegal.