- cross-posted to:
- tankiejerk@lemmy.world
- cross-posted to:
- tankiejerk@lemmy.world
cross-posted from: https://hilariouschaos.com/post/1077711
Edit: https://chapo.chat/ for the live action drama, sort by new posts.
Edit edit: https://chapo.chat/post/4468531
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They don’t care, mission was accomplished in November of last year.
I bid seventy cents, two peanut shells, and a cancelled postage stamp.
Wait, postage stamps can be cancelled?
No way, after all that posting hexbear is defeated by capitalism???
Nah. Socialists can charge for services.
It was defeated by an admin being so done with their shit he couldn’t be bothered lol.
Edit:
Actually. No. Wait a fucking minute.
This admin went spotty on contact like 3 months ago, right?
In November? And then he both didn’t want to give up control, but also didn’t want to pay a small amount of money. Like maybe he got what he wanted from the community and pulled the plug? Because it was never about the community.
What’s a hex bear?
An unhealthy Lemmy obsession.
Just block it and get on with your life.
Hexbear, along with .ml and grad, are Tankie instances. Known as the Tankie Triad (well soon to be Tankie Dyad anyways lol)
Communists (internet troll-ish)
As opposed to Communists (just-- communists) from lemmy.ml and Communists (Spicy Communists) from lemmygrad.ml
None of them are communists, they’re Tankies, tankies = authoritarians
I think saying Tankies aren’t Communists is a bit like saying Sword Art Online isn’t an anime.
Just because they suck doesn’t remove them from the category. In fact acknowledging the sucky parts of a <thing> is part of being grown up about that thing.
Communism is stateless and classless. How are STATES with authoritarian unanswerable leaders/classes in any way communist?
On the unlikely chance that the question isn’t rhetodical, I’d suggest Michael Parenti’s Blackshirts and Reds.
Well they’re more like Authoritarian “Communists”, the theory of communism doesn’t require human rights violations and restrictions of freedoms.
But the only examples of communism in practice, and the only ones they praise and defend fervently, are places with authoritarian regimes like China.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankie
Tankie is a pejorative label generally applied to authoritarian communists, especially those who support acts of repression by such regimes, their allies, or deny the occurrence of the events thereof. More specifically, the term has been applied to those who express support for one-party Marxist–Leninist socialist republics, whether contemporary or historical. It is commonly used by anti-authoritarian leftists, including anarchists, libertarian socialists, left communists, democratic socialists, and reformists to criticise Leninism, although the term has seen increasing use by liberal and right‐wing factions as well.
the theory of communism doesn’t require human rights violations and restrictions of freedoms
Communism is a political ideology predicated on murdering a group of political enemies in the name of a pseudoscientific economic theory which is given the same reverence that Catholics do to church dogma. Communism is, and always has been, a cult.
Whoever told you that had an agenda.
First, communism is an economic theory. A very stripped down version of the theory is this: It proposes that the rich have obtained their wealth through the exploitation of workers. They justify the exploitation by “owning” the raw materials, tools, factories, land, and other apparatuses that the workers need to produce things. But without workers those things could not be converted or used to convert raw materials into goods. The theory suggests that the workers should own those things instead of the rich people. The idea is that the workers would then share amongst each other because, being of the same class, they are naturally more likely to care about the needs of the others in that class. Whatever your opinion or critique of this general idea, it is an idea not a cult.
Like all theories that have some level of popularity it has a lot of variations and sub theories. Some are more idealistic than others. These factions have a lot of history with one another a review of the Russian revolution and lead up show the kind of factionalism that exists with the movement. If you study revolutions you know that this is common.
Second, people have used virtually any ideal to justify atrocities. We should not throw out an idea only because someone somewhere used it to justify violence.
Third dogma is a problem. It is used in communist communities in the same way that it is used in the Catholic Church, to try and prevent descension. As noted above communist movements tend to have a lot of factions but the one that gains the most traction always tries to force the others into line. This is common wherever there are new ideas being implemented as policy.
This is likely why people think communism is intent on murdering its enemies. However, every revolution, Russian, French, Haitian, United States, etc. used violence and murder to achieve its goal.
Communists also say that capitalism murders people every day, and they die with a smile on their face. A pittance of a paycheck goes in their widow’s purse while they have died without realizing that they were exploited to death.
Socialism is the theory that workers should own the means of production. Communism is the theory that the workers should massacre the owners in order to get them. While socialism describes an ideal state of society, communism is explicitly a program for mass murder to achieve a much more vague definition of an ideal society. That is why, after establishing a communist state, communist governments continue to seek out and purge or murder heretics against the Marxist-Leninist state ideology (or “Mao Zedong thought”). Communism is not a theory, as dialectical materialism likes to pretend it is. At its best, communism is a political cult that attract white middle class college freshman. At its worst, communism is a state religion with all the inquisitions and mass murder and auto-genocide that comes with that.
Communism is unintelligible without perceived enemies of the working class. This was not a perversion by Lenin or Stalin; this is baked into the DNA of the writings of Marx, who dedicated a few thousand pages to misdescribing the economics of capitalism and his fantasies for mass murder, but comparatively few pages describing what the end result of that revolution looks like.
I can intellectually respect a Socialist who is convinced that the world would be better if all companies were worker coops, or if all business were regulated by state councils of proletarian soviets. I do not respect anybody claiming to be a communist in precisely the same way that I don’t respect anyone claiming to be a Nazi; they are equally evil and murderous ideologies that are responsible for tens if not over a hundred million deaths throughout the 20th century. Anybody who endorses this ideology in the 21st century is as low as a fucking neo-Nazi
Ok neolib.
Eloquent in your brevity
Whats wrong with SAO
Its generic slop by anime standards. Like yeah anime is meant for teenagers and young adults so you can’t be too critical over fanservice or flat YA novel Gary sue tier character writing or forgetting to write an actually compelling reason for the villain doing the bad thing at the start by the time the story wraps up. But you can at least try you know?
Anime in general is not meant to be high art but SAO goes the extra mile to be uninteresting bland slop that appeals to the lowest common denominator. Young nerdy teenage boys dont care because all they want is the hot anime girl harem and flashy epic gamer op superpower eye candy sakuga battles but the older you get the more apparent the poor writing gets.
The isekai genre has done a lot better over the decade since SAO initially released things like rezero or even Overlord blow it out of the water in terms of actually interesting plot and suspense. The only reason SAO is still popular is the high quality porn.
Trash.
A bear made of hexagons
Well yea but what is it in this specific context? I have no idea what this is
A far-left Lemmy instance, one of the so-called “Tankie Triad” (along with lemmy.ml and lemmygrad.ml). Compared to other instances of the Triad, focuses more on inclusivity and minority rights.
As with all instances of the Triad, Hexbear is commonly hated on other instances due to conflicts stemming from the difference of political perspectives with the majority of people on other instances.
They’re not “far-left” they’re authoritarian “communists” and by “difference of political perspectives” you mean denial of human rights abuses and suppression of freedom by authoritarian regimes (even denying they are authoritarian regimes) like China or even that Russia was totally justified attacking a country unprovoked.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankie
Tankie is a pejorative label generally applied to authoritarian communists, especially those who support acts of repression by such regimes, their allies, or deny the occurrence of the events thereof. More specifically, the term has been applied to those who express support for one-party Marxist–Leninist socialist republics, whether contemporary or historical. It is commonly used by anti-authoritarian leftists, including anarchists, libertarian socialists, left communists, democratic socialists, and reformists to criticise Leninism, although the term has seen increasing use by liberal and right‐wing factions as well.
Pedobear with extra steps
That doesn’t really clear anything up, tbh, I don’t know what this is or why I care about their domain expiring this post did nothing to explain that
That’s not what you asked
But you lied about their damage anyways so who cares what he asked if you’re not going to actually answer?
What?
Did I stutter, or are you just not used to getting pushback on describing all your enemies as pedos?
Sorry im not able to decifer your code
But you lied about their damage anyways so who cares what he asked if you’re not going to actually answer?
What am I supposed to do with that nonsense?
A bear made of hexagons
Isn’t hilarious chaos a Nazi instance?
No, it isn’t.
Blaming capitalism for domain names being a nightmare is hilarious, they are insanely cheap its 12$ a year for a .com, that is all, lol.
This is just straight up bad planning, they said they have jobs and lives like bro you turn on autorenew you put money in the card, any local business has no issues holding their domain for a decade lol, how do you just not make having it with the person hosting the site a priority.
The admins made a rookie mistake: they believed someone on the Internet.
“I’ll do it tomorrow” means fucking never. Nah, bitch, do it TODAY.
Not rlly there is a biding ongoing on hexbear.net namedomaine, the highest offer right now is 700 $
They literally didnt pay their under 20$ a year fee for renewal, its their own fault for not having the domain be with the same person managing hosting, it’s like amateur stuff to at least have them be an authorized user.
They were in contact with the dude who owns it a few times, wouldve taken minutes to add them as authorized users
This is IMO a risk for many individual owned fediverse instance. Someone has a domain, at a point other admin take over, and the domain owner doesn’t renew no matter whether they forget because real life happens or due to some Drama.
Very few instances have a clear legal organizational (like a non profit club) running, which is more flexible when founders step out
Yeah this does prove a failing point for the fediverse that is an important part of larger adoption. This still mostly exists in large part by communal effort even if the community doesn’t appreciate it or recognize it
quite vocal about how the world should be organized, but forgot to pay the domain dues
Remember kids, this is why you still need money. This is literally how the Soviet Union collapsed and why China today became a state capitalist.
DNS is neoliberalism incarnate 😂
DNS is the most neoliberal shit system that too many have just accepted as how computers work and always worked to the point where I have heard actual landlord arguments deployed to defend it
If I didn’t know this was chapotraphouse I would consider it an excellent shitpost.
I mean unlike housing, you don’t actually need to pay for a domain name. There are plenty of free alternatives if you ill like paying for a TLD, and in lieu of that you could just memorise the IP, or even instruct people to change their hosts file.
I like how a whole community of academics and researchers worked out how to run a system which, even into the modern day which is kind of amazing, is largely disconnected from being abused by government and industry, and just runs according to what the people who need to use the system need it to do. You can get extorted for a fancy domain name if you really want to, but you can also go to Hostinger and get one for $5/year or something, because a lot of the core of the system is still pretty well-protected from being a cash-grab, through application of good governance and cooperation.
And then, somehow Hexbear managed to find their way around that system and fucked things up for themselves, and now it’s all DNS’s fault that they stepped in a pile of doo doo.
Never forget the architects of the internet were some of the vilest US MIC and Silicon Valley ghouls who ever lived and they are still in control fundamentally no matter how much ICANN and IANA claim to be non-partison, neutral, non-political, accountable, democratic, international, stewardshipismists
Yes, John Postel and David Mills were some of the vilest ghouls and so on. There was nothing about them that could provide a good model for how to do effective cooperation and succeed outside the systems of ownership that defined computing and telecommunications at the time, no particular reason they succeeded so dramatically and gave you, ultimately, this space to post pig balls today, and nothing about their work and traditions that needs to be defended against any silicon valley ghouls in the modern day. You fucking dingbat. I started out sticking up for you guys because no one deserves to get victimized by DNS scammers, but I take it back, go fuck yourselves.
Well, Postel has been dead since 1998 and Mills since 2010, so I don’t think they’re included in people still in control. So they’ve got that going for them, which is nice, I guess.
Architects of the internet, they said.
If they said the people currently in charge of the internet are an uneasy alliance of shadowy goons and idiots, afraid to openly break anything too irrevocably but occasionally trying to yank on the wires to see if there isn’t some way a little more money inside them somewhere, I would generally agree.
I mean… OK then just remember the IP addresses of the sites you use and don’t use the domain names?
That will be a problem for sites that are all hosted on one IP address where the server figures out what site you want by the client’s request string.
Well then you just take whatever you get, it’s website roulette.
Is this not a majority of them
It is.
Of course there are alternatives if you give up using the host header, like routing by URL. But that’s difficult when the URL is encrypted, meaning SSL has to be terminated at the proxy.
My home stuff is like this
Thats because of how you set it up. If you want individual IP addresses for all your resources, you can get a huge chunk of IPv6 addresses just for yourself. You can get a /48 (65,536) addresses if you set it up with your ISP.
Yeah totally, it’s just wrong to say it’s not the majority of them.
You do have a point there NaibofTabr@46.4.254.144
See? If you don’t like DNS, you don’t have to use DNS, it’s not so hard.
And IPv6 won’t be that much harder, it’s only… uh… 32 hex digits you’ll have to remember, for each website. No big deal.
Yes, only 0000:0000:0000:0000:0000:ffff:2e04:fe90. Simple!
Did you know we have these things called computer files that can store information. There’s even one in your router specifically for storing IP addresses
Ah, you’re right, I should just look up IP addresses in my NAT table. Maybe I should add comments to it so I know which IP is which.
yep literally this. don’t most routers nowadays have a dns server with a hosts file you can edit?
30 years ago we had to remember phone numbers, now ip addresses. We are going in circles.
Your perspective makes you believe we’re going in circles. In actuality, we’re going down the drain…
I wonder if they tried to pay it with a signed note by their mother and a chuck-e-cheeze token with ‘payment in full’ scribbled across the note in red marker.
In a good internet, you shouldn’t have to pay someone else for your own identity.
You don’t have to pay anything to have your own identity.
If you want someone else’s servers to replicate a piece of information for you, and you want them to take responsibility for administrative issues like figuring out whether you still want it next year or what to do if you’re doing something illegal, you may have to pay anywhere from $5 a year to $30 a year for the privilege depending on a couple of factors. Given how massively inflated the price of registering a domain could be, if the type of ghouls who like to get their hands on things like this were able to get their hands on it, I’m inclined to call that success. About 99% of internet users will never need to know or care about DNS, and they can still have their identity without having to pay $30 a year.
I’m pretty sure the price of domains has actually been going down over time, and they’ve introduced a bunch of new TLDs and new types of entries in the records in response to pretty much the only significant problems that the 40-year-old system has ever had during its history. Like I said, I’d call that success.
If you want someone else’s servers to replicate a piece of information for you, and you want them to take responsibility for administrative issues like figuring out whether you still want it next year or what to do if you’re doing something illegal
I would like none of these services. I would simply like my domain name to be mapped to my server’s IP. I don’t want to have to pay a registrar, I would like to submit my domains to registers directly. There is a business layer of middle-men who do not need to exist.
There is a business layer of middle-men who do not need to exist.
ICANN is in the business of running the Internet, not fielding tech support calls from Jones’ BBQ and Foot Massage. I’m fine with this layer of separation. Hell, if it was one massive company controlling all the domains worldwide, wouldn’t that monopoly be an order of magnitude worse?
I don’t mean interacting directly with ICANN. I mean directly interacting with registries, like Verisign.
They control the .com top level domain. They do not interact with consumers, and require you to use a third-layer of registrars to interface with them.
ICANN shouldn’t get into the direct-to-consumer business, that is true and not the issue I am speaking about.
I don’t want to have to pay a registrar, I would like to submit my domains to registers directly. There is a business layer of middle-men who do not need to exist.
You’re in luck! You can do this! You can become your own registrar. Cut out the middle man! You only have to pay $4000/year to talk directly to ICANN.
I mean, it is kind of getting that way. The proliferation of some domains that are more expensive than others could potentially be a sign of the whole thing slowly collapsing into costing $10/month or maybe orders of magnitude more, if you are a big company with fat pockets that can be rummaged through, like everything else is nowadays. My point is that the price is $12 per year specifically because those forces have been kept at bay, at least partially, which means the system is an ever-more-incongruous-with-every-passing-year vestige of the decent way that the internet used to be. And also, yes, there’s an increasing cacophony of services which are trying to charge you more than it should cost, hoping that you’ll think $50/year is reasonable and just pay it not knowing any better.
If you think it is sustainable to be able to submit registrations completely for free, though, you are welcome to provide that service to the world under some subdomain, and do a vital service to remove the evil of which you speak. Just register dns.free or whatever, and set up a thing where people can register mysite.dns.free or whatever subdomain they want, and then they can all have it for free. You can be the change. I suspect that if you undertook this mission, it would quickly become apparent to you why the system as a whole still needs to charge a tiny nominal fee in exchange for doing it.
Running the central DNS servers is so cheap that it makes no sense to try to charge for it. Doing the administrative work of keeping track of hundreds of millions of people who all want to register some appellation for themselves, and keeping track of all the changes thereto, is significant, which is why that side of the operation wants to charge you a few bucks a year for it.
You don’t have to! You can run a DNS server out of your house and host any and all domain names you can think of!
Of course, nobody but you will use it, but it’s the principle of the thing, right?
This is amusing, but one guy from the crosspost raised a valid problem:
If the hexbear domain fully dies, then all the idiots kept in containment by defederation will start jumping ship to other instances, and start causing trouble for users and moderators.I have a more optimistic outlook. If they get spread out there’s a higher chance of them getting out of their echo chamber and becoming a normal person. And let’s be real, the worst of them will go into Lemmygrad to continue their circlejerk and thus won’t bother the wider fediverse. And the worst of them probably already have alts on other instances where they stir up shit.
all the idiots kept in containment by defederation will start jumping ship to other instances, and start causing trouble for users and moderators
Many of them already do that with alt accounts, which would explain the considerable number of downvotes here.
They followed me around and down voted everything I posted for a while (memes, conversational comments, everything). Oh and they also threatened to kill me. Fuck hexbear and all its users.
I had a Hexbear account, but I once posted something that got 10+ upvotes, then someone came along, took it out of context and made an unfounded accusation.
I pushed back as gently as I could, got dogpiled, then the mods removed my comments. So I deleted the rest of my comments and posts along with my account.
They like to complain about how their bad reputation is undeserved, and then refuse to look in the mirror because they’re always right.
So the tankie idiots join the bigger pool of non-tankie idiots. How will we ever survive…
Right. I don’t mind people wearing certain red hats. It lets me know right up front what to expect. Reddit had the same dilemma once upon a time where specific subs were banned, and that just forced the roaches to hide in unknown areas where once you knew exactly where to find them all.
In my experience these “containment” boards/servers/sections tend not to work.
Long term it basically just creates a place that attracts those you don’t want, and becomes place for those ideologies to spread. Then it either gets bad enough they take over (you know the site) or they break off wholesale and form a new community dedicated to those worst impulses (pyrrhic victory at best).
The best policy is to actively moderate, and in the case of the fediverse, defederate, those groups and those that give them shelter.
Meh, they’re just going to flood over into grad and .ml where they’ll be welcomed with open arms.
Then all those “.ml’s not that bad, they’re kinda nice” folks will see that .ml mask drop and then finally .world will defed from the last of the Tankie
TriadDyadI’ll take it. It’s easy enough to tag people when I see them unironically spewing russian propaganda or bringing up American atrocities to justify Chinese ones.
Could not happen to a nicer bunch.
Truly salt of the earth
What’s the story with this place?
they were originally refugees from the reddit ban of r/chapotraphouse (which, while cringy, was not nearly as bad as r/the_donald that got banned in the same wave. but the reddit admins had a thing for being “fair and balanced”)
I’m not familiar with the first subreddit, what was that about?
It was by the largest (by a fair margin) socialist-aligned subreddit, but in practice it was like 60% shitposts. Was originally associated with the eponymous podcast, but the hosts have repeatedly said they disliked it.
Hex, .ml and grad are part of the Tankie Triad. Tankies are authoritarians and often hard to tell apart from far right nutjobs
Oh right. When I first heard about Lemmy, I tried to join .ml because it was the first instance I was made aware of. I think it was being rate limited at the time due to that whole reddit exodus thing, and I wasn’t able to get through, but. .world let me sign up so here I am.
I’d like to think that members of a given instance have their own opinions. It’s sad to hear about how territorial lemmy is.
It’s sad to hear about how territorial lemmy is.
Not really territorial, more… despises authoritarianism in all its forms lol.
While I’m sure there are plenty of non-tankie .ml users, the problem is with the admins and mods being the biggest Tankies around who enforce the “Tankie ideology” throughout.
Go checkout .ml memes, anything posted that’s Tankie-like will even sometimes get tons of downvotes as the post gets federated to non-Tankie instances but never removed.
Conversely, anything posted that’s even slightly critical of China/Russia is quickly removed under the catch-all “Rule 1 bigotry” (You’ll have to check the modlog for that)
Lemmy, in general, is left leaning with the lead dev and “main” instance being unabashedly tankies.
Hexbear is the big instance of people who are so fucked they tend to get banned even from there. The ml crowd is generally still worth talking to. Whereas the hexbear crowd immediately jump to harassment the moment they decide you failed a purity test because you advocated for a social program rather than insisting the entire system needs to be burned down and a managed economy run by putin put in its place.
Needless to say: Anyone who spends enough time “on lemmy” is either on an instance that banned hexbear or muted them themselves.
Appreciate the explanation. I’ve seen some remarks about the instance in passing, I’ve just never paid close enough attention to how communities have interacted with each other in the past.
Hexbear is the big instance of people who are so fucked they tend to get banned even from there.
No, no. They’re a group of posters so awful they got banned from Reddit.
And let’s be honest, you can be pretty much the worst person on earth and survive in your own little bubble on Reddit, but, for whatever reason, they couldn’t.
I feel attacked lmao, reddit automoda/policy is abusive now, I commented on a front page post with an alt and it permbanned 3 of my 10 year old accounts instantly no appeal. I kinda do like that they forced me to give lemmy a second look.
The mods just ban ppl willy nilly, how am i supposed to keep track of what banned me, if they have detection tools they should be able to auto ban my alts or hide those subs from my view or better yet not even let me comment on them, instead they asssume evasion and perm ban your ip.
My revenge was deleting every helpful post/comment I had (I got lazy 5 minutes in kinda sucks that there is no way to delete your post history once reddit bans you, you can delete your account but posts and commentd stay up, the only way to remove them is to edit them)
Oh, maybe I wasn’t clear: this isn’t the usual mods doing mods, they were such bad posters the admins banned their entire sub.
Getting banned from a subreddit is easy, getting the admins to kick you, your friends, and your community off the site requires exquisite and well-developed shitposting skills beyond those of most mortals.
Yeah…
Spend some time in the “I hate reddit and am glad I am never going back but do you think reddit still thinks about me and hey, can I take a picture of your penis and send it to show reddit that my new boyfriend is massive?” communities. LOTS of the folk around here have those “I was banned for absolutely nothing” mentalities.
And it shows with how fast people are to “clown on” folk with just blatant insults.
Those folk aren’t at all exclusive to hexbear.
I leave em, it’s fun to watch them go and post their stickers, it’s almost like twitch chat
When I accidentally interacted with one of their communities, it basically felt like a tankie 4chan. After that I just banned the entire instance.
cunts, tale as old as time
The common clay of the fediverse.
Heartbreaking: The Worst Capitalist Practice You Know Just Accidentally Picked A Funny Target
… if DNS is the worst capitalist practice you know of then you REALLY should spend less time shitposting and more time paying attention to the world.
(It’s a joke/reference, I guess it’s not 100% known though. My bad.)
I really do hate “I know what I have so you are going to pay whatever number I set” capitalism though, which is what they do here. These registrars figured out a loophole around the redemption grace period and are, from the start, set up to make you lose the domain and then spend significant money on a completely unfair auction where they have the power to plant fake bids, rather than paying the usual static redemption fees that aren’t that excessive.
Yes… but the meme doesn’t work if said practice is barely on the scale.
Because yeah, there are some REALLY sketchy registrars. Working with the “reputable” ones and now taking advantage of a nation’s country code for the lulz (see: .ml) keeps you pretty safe.
Tired: Lenin’s on sale again
Wired: Hexbear is a shitcoin
So this is a man-in-the-middle attack waiting to happen isn’t it? Buy the domain, setup a reverse proxy that points to the original hexbear server IP and start logging all requests.
Probably. In all honestly, if you are a hexbear user, I’d be keeping a careful eye on who owns the domain when it magically pops back up.
And here I was complaining about cheeseburger.social going down. Our user count was well into the dozens. Dozens!
