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Basic image analysis like this should have been done ages ago, but libs don’t care about the truth just blind propagandizing
I was honestly so surprised myself when I realized that the supposed most famous picture of the massacre didn’t show a single dead body. Just makes you think about how easily can falsehood be used for propaganda.
One of the first casualties of the whole protest was an unarmed PLA officer that was tied to a bus by the protestors and burnt alive. Then mocked and photographed. They never share that photo around though.
Westerners refuse to believe that about half the fatalities were PLA members because in their countries, the police would never be unarmed, never abandon their equipment, never hesitate to kill in retaliation.
Westerners also don’t pity the murdered PLA officers because they view them the same as their own police: violent people that eagerly abuse their power.
I think that’s the most eye-opening thing about this “massacre”
if this had happened in the US, the streets would have run with rivers of blood. It would’ve been utterly brutal. And the US would be the one rewriting history to try and pretend it never happened. It’s always projection.
Everyone here knows that there’s a threshold where the US will explode in to armed conflict. There are 800,000 cops in this country and every one of them is a psychopathic fascist champing for a chance to spill innocent blood.
It’s harrowing trying to do street marches with Libs who are too ignorant and foolish to understand how dangerous the cops are. Trying to save them from themselves is not fun.
During the New York Draft Riots, the New York Times machine gunned protestors.
Oh it has been. Libs simply don’t care. They have a religious conviction that communism bad and they’ll interpret any information to support that conviction, and dismiss anything that contradicts it. Parenti’s “Non-falsifiable orthodoxy” is a great term for how they think.
what the fuck is this shite, tiananmen happened you fucking cunts cry me a river
Gonna cry about 10k invented dead people? ok, it’s good to let emotions out sometimes
how tf does anyome invent 10K dead people??? they had fucjing families yiu moron yiu can go ask them yiurself you degenerate shithead. stop sucking off some dictators cock
stop sucking off some dictators cock
Liberals and suddenly becoming homophobic when confronted with different views on geopolitics name a more iconic duo.
i have no idea if youre a man or woman, sucking someones cock is a known idiom for bejng a sycophant. fuck off with your bad faith argument. i never even claimed to be a liberal? stop larping
A homophobic/misogynistic idiom yes.
Scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds, as they say.
name a single democractic communist country that lasted over 4 years.
lmao you wanna try that again without any slurs? you forgot to put your mask on before coming into the discussion, dronie
what mask? i dont care if your feelings are in a twist youre literally denying the deaths of thousans of teenage protestors under a regime. talk to the families of the victims holy shit you asshole
What mask indeed.
So when did you talk to these thousands of families?
oh yeah cause i can totally speak fluent mandarin. do you believe the moon landinf happened? did you personallt speak with armstrong??? do you believe the atom bomb went off in hiroshima, did you speak to the people there??? the fact that there are witnesses doesnt mean you need to go speak to every one of them to confirm an event that obviouslt happened did happen otherwise history would become impossible.
Anti-Communists: “communists are all brainwashed to ignore evidence!”
Anti communists when faced with the evidence:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiananmen_Mothers
please contact the families of the dead yourself you heartless fuck
So you’re not going to answer my question?
'Anti-Communists: “communists are all brainwashed to ignore evidence!”
Anti communists when faced with the evidence:’
whats the question?
Replied to the wrong comment, what I meant to say to you is
what
wah wah go starve commie
I am going to be so exited to report you to the secret police for extra rations when China takes over America and enforces Juche law
ohhh nooo and the democractic chinese will totally not do fascistic things to me :(
well…tiananmen happened, the thing that didn’t happen was the massacre
sure and xi jinping can fly with his arms
Do you have a source for that?
it was revealed to me in a dream
Have you ever tried… Reading anything? Other than comment sections I mean.
Even western sources agree with us. The only place that continues to spread the mythological bullshit narrative that was first dreamt up about it is reddit. Everyone else, even the western press, has accepted that the Chinese narrative is more accurate.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/there-was-no-tiananmen-square-massacre/
The Chinese Red Cross had given a figure of 2,600 deaths. shut the fuck up??? if no massacre took place why cant chinese people discuss it?
if no massacre took place why cant chinese people discuss it?
they can, they do quite often lmao
that’s another thing you got from reddit
thats a lie, everything they can censor is censored, sure you could get away with saying it in a field in the middle of nowhere but you can get away with sayinf anythung like that https://www.nbcnews.com/video/what-happens-when-you-google-tiananmen-square-in-china-273675331595
Most reliable genzedong news source. When you google A B Abrams, supposed writer of the book in question there is zero information about him other than the very questionable books he has written from very biased news sources. And there aren’t many.
Let me ask you this, what does A B in A B Abrams stand for? Nothing because they aren’t a real person.
When you google A B Abrams, one of the top results is from the “daily nk” i.e. the daily North Korea. Where we are told that the author has published under multiple pseudonyms, none of which we are told. They supposedly have multiple Masters degrees in “related fields” from the university of London. Which by the way, is not a single university but a group of different universities throughout London, so that’s even more vague. And then finally, we are told that “A B Abrams” studied korean at the university of Pyongyang. And has many contacts with people inside of North Korea.
To me, this screams propaganda, likely originating from North Korea or potentially even China, in order to make the west look bad. And you can make the west look bad without lying about the Tiananmen Square Massacre’s existence.
To deny the events that unfolded at Tiananmen Square is like denying that humans have been to the moon. It’s an unfounded, in fact, disprovable conspiracy theory.
Also, if the Tiananmen Square massacre had never happened, then why does the Chinese government continue to block any mention of it vis the firewall and censorship?
To deny the events that unfolded at Tiananmen Square is like denying that humans have been to the moon. It’s an unfounded, in fact, disprovable conspiracy theory.
So prove it to us then. All you’re doing right now is scolding us for being insane conspiracy theorists. I’ve never seen any evidence that anything happened at tiananmen square. Reports from people who were actually there all say that there was no massacre
The US has a very long history of lying about its enemies. There are plenty of declassified CIA docs that talk about what lies to tell the media. Why is this one different?
Edit: also, see pen names. Isn’t it a little hypocritical to call us conspiracy theorists when you come to the conclusion that the book was lies written by China or North Korea because you can’t find any information about the author?
I can’t prove it to you, I just use my skills at googling “A B Abrams” to conclude that this is untrustworthy. I also can’t prove that the moon landing happened or that matter is made of atoms, doesn’t mean they are false.
See my edit. But here’s the thing. We have video of the moon landing and rocks from the actual moon. That’s solid evidence. We have plenty of evidence of the atom existing, because half our tech wouldn’t work if they didn’t exist.
Where is the evidence of a massacre at tiananmen square? Please read the links I gave you.
Edit: please remember, you said that this was an easily disprovable conspiracy theory.
in order to make the west look bad. And you can make the west look bad without lying about the Tiananmen Square Massacre’s existence.
Then why would these sources be lying?
NKnews and Daily NK are anti-DPRK news outlets funded by the U.S. Be pretty funny if even y’all’s most orientalist propaganda outlet turned out to be Norf Kowean (OR EVEN CHINESE!!!) Pwopaganda!
Also, if the Tiananmen Square massacre had never happened, then why does the Chinese government continue to block any mention of it vis the firewall and censorship?
Because the purpose of the firewall is to keep the West out.
This is like asking why people who call the Civil War the “War of Northern Aggression” are censored/ignored. It’s historically inaccurate and you deserve to be the subject of animus and suspicion if you do so.
~let me put this here real quick~
It was not fabricated, it was exaggerated. Clashes occurred around Beijing and bloodshed was real. Most of them were Maoists clashing with pro market reform government.
Nobody is denying bloodshed. There absolutely were violent protests outside the square. The claim in question is that the military gunned down thousands of peaceful protesters in the square, which so far as I know is a claim that’s exclusively made by people who were not there.
Even that is giving too much credit to the US government narrative.
There literally are all the US mainstream news outlets like CBS News who actually had reporters there at the time: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/there-was-no-tiananmen-square-massacre/
Also from classified US communications with assets on the ground: https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/89BEIJING18828_a.html
Funniest thing is that “tank man” photo idiots spam on Reddit all the time. Most people in the west don’t realize there is video of it, that the guy didn’t get run over. Furthermore they assume he was blocking tanks heading towards the square, infact those tanks were at the time headed away from the square to avoid engaging with armed agitators (people with guns and grenades that had killed police) in a crowded environment. Dude was trying to make them go back.
The deaths that day were people who got gunned down by the “protestors” or the police who were killed when the “protestors” threw grenades (military ordnance) into police vehicles. People that were armed by the CIA as part of a color revolution operation, one that failed because it didn’t actually have any support and more importantly because the PLA commander on the scene ordered his units to leave the area rather than responding in kind. The only actual protestors that day were communists having labor protests happening nearby and not the dancing libertine youth acting as the face of the US color revolution operation involving armed groups trying unsuccessfully to provoke the PLA soliders into responding to deadly attacks with deadly force in a crowded urban environment.
My personal opinion on the matter isn’t that much different from yours (the biggest reason being that the media blitz about the massacre seemed preplanned… It just didn’t go according to plan). The problem is that I can’t prove anything, so it’s all conjecture. So I typically leave that out. It’s already a sensitive enough subject.
On balance, it would be fair to say that while thousands of protestors were most likely not gunned down in the square itself, hundreds were being gunned down around it. So there was a massacre by the PLA, it just didn’t happen in the square itself.
If they were just protestors, why were they gunned down while the ones in the square could all be cleared out with no fatalities? Did the people who incinerated soldiers and strung up their burnt corpses leave peacefully beforehand?
Because the PLA forced themselves through several blockades before they were able to reach the square. It was at these blockades that the strongest resistance was met, and where the majority of the killing occurred.
We don’t know for sure, but the order seems to be that [the PLA] have to get [to the square] by midnight. So by 10:00 p.m. they’re getting desperate. They cannot fight their way through thousands of people with riot shields and billy clubs, so each of these columns coming into the city starts radioing into headquarters, asking for permission to go ahead at any cost. Finally that permission starts coming down sometime between 10:30 p.m. and 11:00 p.m.
The first rounds of fire catch everybody by surprise. The people in the streets don’t expect this to happen. There are a couple of hospitals right near Muxidi, and the casualties start showing up within 10 or 15 minutes of the first round of gunfire. The casualties run very high because people didn’t expect to be shot at with live ammunition. When they start firing, people say, “Oh, it’s rubber bullets.” Even after it becomes clear, even after they realize that the army is going to go ahead at any cost, people still pour into the streets. This is the amazing thing: People were just so angry, so furious at what was happening in their city that they were not going to step back and let the army do what it was doing. This is why the casualties from Muxidi on east towards Tiananmen Square were so high. This is the major military confrontation of the evening.
The only reason whitey even gives a shit about these dead chinese people is that they hate china so much. After all, half of them are still secretly jerking themselves off at the thought of millions of chinese farmers dying due to the Three Gorges Dam going broke.
Same can be applied to Xinjiang propaganda. “Oh, the State Department now cares about Muslim lives?”
The US led war on terror killed more Muslims than exist in Xinjiang
Yea lol, i don’t think i’ve ever heard a liberal even mention the student massacre in Mexico in the late 60s. They don’t give a shit, they just use it as a justification for their hatred.
I like that we have/need new books to re-report information that was widely known decades ago because of how easy it is to sell propaganda to the west. We have actual documentaries, made by the west at the time of Tiananmen, that completely contradicts the massacre narrative that was invented years later. lol. Libs really will believe anything as long as it comes from the mouth of some oligarch backed talking head.
The key reason this kind of lazy propaganda works is because people want to believe it. It leverages the latent racism and capitalist realism people have internalized living in decaying western societies. The idea that a country that doesn’t follow liberal ideology could be more successful is a complete anathema to these people.
Wow, straight-up propaganda. Seek the Truth, people. That event has been covered by multiple reputable journalists, from all around the world…
CBS news had a reporter in the square at the time. You should read what he said
But there’s no question many people were killed by the army that night around Tiananmen Square.
The link 404s lol. No archives either from what I can find.
Vast majority of the links in similar articles are circular or to “original reporting” from people who weren’t there or reporting based on US government sources. But like the other commenter said, it’s absolutely true and agreed by the PRC that hundreds died in fighting around the city. No lies there are all, but the lead up to it makes clear that the forces which resulted in fighting at all were liberal and imperialist-aligned forces. https://redsails.org/another-view-of-tiananmen/
I’ve read it (or something like it) in the past. There were violent confrontations around the city after the protest was dispersed. A couple hundred people (a significant number of them soldiers), died in the fighting. This matches with what the CPC said, so I don’t think it’s in dispute.
This is what tankies actually believe
those damn tankies at checks notes… cbs news?CBS news was well known for it’s cowardly support for the Politburo’s decision to send tanks in to Hungary to crush the fascist revolt and prevent the genocidal arrow cross party from returning to power only ten years after WWII, the holocaust, and the Nazi murder of, like, what, almost 30 million people?
If by tankies you mean people who have any historical literacy at all then yeah.
Tankies, historians, the CIA
The Chinese government suckering you to do your PR work for them, them too
Do you on principle recoil from all evidence when the truth is convenient to someone you hate? Is it the same to believe the truth and to be ‘doing PR work’ for them?
Lol tankie says what?
Khrushchev was right to put down the rebellion in Hungary. It would have been proof to the West they could chop away the USSR with color revolutions and it prevented a second holocaust in Eastern Europe.
Dipshits: Uhhh actualkly tankies are bad because the USSR should have just let the fascists who had all been soldiers for the Reich ten years prior and had murdered a half a million Jewish Hungarians as well as god knows how many others re-take power and re-install the Arrow Cross party!
It’s true we do!
Facts and logic don’t care about your ideology!
Thread I wrote about Tiananmen: https://twitter.com/prolewiki/status/1666492127730098208 (Thread reader link due to Musk fuckery on twitter)
CIA-funded leader Chai Ling crying crocodile tears hoping students will be shot while she herself deadpan says she’ll be out of the country: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5__ESiklA1A. She was later extradited by the CIA during Operation Yellowbird and now lives in the USA.
I always enjoy re-watching the full “Tank Man” video, with the “brutal Chinese tanks” awkwardly trying to bypass the protestor and patiently waiting him out. I think libs just see that single frame and fill the gaps with their own experiences in their countries in thinking that the guy got ran over or something. If you try that with a secret service car they might do just that.
If you try that with a secret service car they might do just that.
There’s videos of NYPD just plowing BLM protesters. Amerikkkans think other places are as awful as theirs is.
Yeah, that was one of the more fucked up sections of the video I posted, is her crying into a camera. The way she starts crying because the students kept trying to have a peaceful resolution with the government instead of getting themselves massacred… Their entire goal was go try and get as many of their fellow students killed as possible to have as propaganda footage. Like who watches that and then sympathizes with her? Who sees someone crying, because the people under her were trying to be reasonable and not provoke a needless massacre, and thinks “Oh that poor girl. Having to deal with these people that don’t want to get killed for the CIA.” ?"
I mean,
Anti communists are weird, perverse freaks and many of them would happily murder the entire human population if they thought it would keep people from helping each other and making the world better.
