The majority of technologies that power the internet were developed in the 80s and refined in the 90s. Everything since then is built as a layer of abstraction on top of those core technologies.
If you value your privacy and you have a choice between using a browser to access a service vs installing their app, use the browser.
Online services can get much more information about you through an app vs the browser. Browsers are generally locked down more. Apps in general have access to much more information from your device.
Department lead.
The website team is small, but incredibly effective. Everything works. Everything is mobile friendly, responsive, fast. It’s a way better experience.
I love my app developers, but they’re always behind. Not their own fault. Mobile development is complicated. There’s so many screen sizes, iOS vs Android differences, platform permissions, etc.
The big reason for us to push the App on people was to get more brand awareness on the App Store. But the website is so much more better.
You literally can use it as a web app right into your phone and get a better experience.
And it’ll be such a dark day when I have to dissolve the App team (and hopefully convince them into web dev)
Why not a responsive web app packaged into native viewer app? Depending on your utilization of native components of cause.
My team had the same issues you described so we build the web responsive and made that the “Apps” on the App Store + Google Play. There is still a tiny native components that hook into the web so you still need those native developers knowhow, but yes they will have to switch in large to web based development.
Less maintenance, more devs for the main product, faster progress, fewer headaches with Apple and Google tooling.
Edit: forgot to app that our customers loved that more features are available now on the “Apps” and that things work the same between devices
But where is has the compromise happened? The Kotlin/Flutter/swift code written? The database? not being sarcastic just unaware.
This is the main reason why I quit Facebook and other services. Anytime you access them from mobile via a web browser it corners you into a “download our app” page. Facebook started doing it with messenger and I knew I had to get out.
I’m not giving Zuckerberg that level of access to my data.
Its all useless if the very operating system ur using is collecting info about you. Stop using windows
Stop using windows
lol I’m sure OP meant mobile apps.
I hate windows, but c’mon. Stick to the main point.
It’s like saying “I prefer oranges over strawberries” and then in comes someone and says “Trump prefers mangoes. Fuck Trump!!!”
The interview is a vibe check first and foremost. If you vibe with the team we will overlook other things in your application. If you made it to interview, we already think you’re good enough so don’t stress trying to impress or apologize.
Managers are mostly people who get tired of watching other people do things badly and decide to try to do better. You don’t need a special degree or any magic to be a good manager, you should like people though.
Everyone is faking it to some degree.
Former process engineer in an aluminum factory. Aluminum foil is only shiny on one side and duller on the other for process reasons, not for any “turn this part towards baking, etc” reasons.
It’s just easier to double it on itself and machine it to double thickness than it is to hit single thickness precision, especially given how much more tensile strength it gives it.
Also, our QA lab did all kinds of tests on it to settle arguments. The amount of heat reflected/absorbed between the two sides is trivially small. But if you like one side better you should wrap it that way, for sure!
Update: sorry to be an OP who didn’t deliver. My buddy never made the measurement. I’m hoping he will. Sorry everyone!
The amount of heat reflected/absorbed between the two sides is trivially small.
Your particular choice of wording here makes me very curious: Do you mean that there really was a measurable difference (which was trivially small)?
Yup, the lab could tell a difference! Shiney side (so mill roller facing, as opposed to the dull side which faces the other layer of aluminum) was marginally more reflective, but I believe (and a former coworker also remembered it as) it was less than a tenth of a percent (<0.1% for the visual folks)
Anyone who says it affects cooking time or something is mistaken, I’d wager.
Yup, the lab could tell a difference!
Awesome!
Jokes on you.
I baked my casserole with the shiny side up and pulled it out at 59 minutes and 55 seconds, when it was supposed to go for an hour.
So take that Dull Side!
Such men are dangerous!
Welcome to the Dull Side.
Today I learned numbers are visuals but words are not. Wtf dude!
Now that’s the kind of industry secrets I opened this thread for.
Any info on surface roughness? I’m thinking shiny side would be smoother and therefore less sticky, though I don’t know how much the passivation layer would affect it. Probably no where close to making a difference at the end of the day, but I’m curious.
It was a fair few years ago, but yeah, the oxidation on it will be so much smoother than the delta in surface roughness that I doubt it’d make much difference. Lemme reach out to a metallurgist from there and see what he thinks!
Post your spectral emissivity study or GTFO!
I mean, maybe if you bake a stone cold potato that was in the fridge and then cook it for two hours? But even then we’re probably talking about a handful of minutes at the most.
Okay, my buddy is gonna take foil tomorrow and run it over the profilometer (?) tomorrow and see. I’ll report back with more numbers and less hand waving when I have it
I’ll be here to read those numbers
I’m an engineer in a totally different industry but I want to know what the numbers are
If the Internet has taught me anything, they’re 42 and 69.
Matte side isn’t non stick?
Correct. Just a manufacturing decision. It looks a lot more different than it actually is.
Reynolds wrap literally has this as a faq on their website because so many people think it.
This is all I found on their site about it, which aligns but isn’t as much detail as I hoped
With standard and heavy duty foil, it’s perfectly fine to place your food on either side so you can decide if you prefer to have the shiny or dull side facing out.
There is no financial motive for software to work well. The people who sign the check for it almost never have to use it.
The cost of digital advertising cannot be justified by its effectiveness (or rather lack there of). We’ve collectively spent hundreds of billions of dollars creating the infrastructure for invasive hyper targeted ads that do not get better results than simple billboards and terrestrial TV ads even now. We’ve created a global economy of marketing, media, advertising and sales solely reliant on technofeudalist overlords who’ve provided very little actual improvement of anything.
Maybe if those invasive highly targeted ads were the least bit accurate I would buy some shit from them. Instead half the time I can’t find the product I want without wading through a sea of crap even when I give them a search with specific parameters.
(Buy Washing Machine)
“Hello, I see you bought a washing machine. Would you like to buy a few more?” - Internet Ads
For me it’s been “I see you bought this specific laser engraver. Would you be interested in buying that exact model?”
No. I already bought it, and it’s not a consumable. If I decided I needed a new laser a week into ownership, it wouldn’t be because I was thrilled with that exact model.
Washing machine purchase subscription, save $3.47 each month!
Yep and in order for these companies to grow they must continue to increase the volume of ads being shown, which only makes them less effective, which they try and counter by making them ever more invasive.
And that’s where this article comes in.
It works occasionally. My late grandmother loves cardinals and I was advertised a card with a big red paper pop out cardinal. I paid $30 for that card, and grandma loved it.
occasionally
Do you have additional inside knowledge?
Most people in the field don’t even ask themselves this question. They all have an incentive in believing it works.
There’s a book about it though: https://us.macmillan.com/books/9780374538651/subprimeattentioncrisis
Yeah it’s a good book. It’s a cycle that this issue surfaces every couple of years where someone does a study, finds that the numbers they’re given don’t match their own analysis and the ad tech platform does some PR to paper over the story.
Most people selling ads are just like the real estate agents in The Big Short. The media people make their money via rebate from the platforms by guaranteeing a certain volume of spend so they have no incentive to be putting hard questions to the platforms and the client is reliant on seeing the data which is provided by the platform with no third parties able to provide any level of transparency.
Money goes into Google, Amazon and Meta’s black boxes which spit out numbers. The agency people copy and paste the figures into a presentation and everyone congratulates each other for a job well done.
Imagine if an alternate timeline is already being produced in the virtual world. The one we will all be strapped into until the death of our core energy cell.
Could you elaborate?
The use of chatgpt for writing is so widespread in higher ed, it will cause serious problems to those students when entering the workforce.
Lots of fancy stuff is written about how we just have to change the way we teach!, and how we can use chatgpt in lessons! blablabla, but it’s all ignorant of the fact that some things need to be learnt by doing them, and students can’t understand how they hurt their own learning, because they don’t know what they don’t know.
There are a lot of entry level jobs that basically assume new employees know nothing, anyway. Seems like this will just further devalue degrees and emphasize work experience for hiring.
Yeah, we don’t need higher education, just low skilled workers. That’ll sort things out. /s
I bet AI detection is going to get a lot better over time.
I wonder if there’s going to be retrospective testing of theses as time goes on.
Could really damage some careers down the line.
Edit: guys, retrospective testing means it was done later (i.e. with a more up to date AI detector).
Once a detector is good, you can train a model to adjust its outputs to cause false negatives from the detector. Then the cycle repeats. It’s a cat and mouse game basically.
The only proper way I see is a system that is based ob cryptographic signatures. This ia easier said than done ofc.
Yeah but if your wrote your thesis in 2024, and the detector is run on it in 2026…
You’re probably busted.
It’s not like you’ll re-write your thesis with every major ChatGPT release.
Are you expecting that the for-profit college will go back and retroactively rescind degrees? What’s the end-game for re-running the thesis?
It likely won’t be done at scale, but let’s say you are wildly successful and are now in line for a high-value position, where vetting is common. Might look pretty bad if you fabricated your whole thesis. Recently, Bill Ackman basically bullied several schools into firing their head administrators on the pretense of not citing sources correctly in their thesis papers.
It could be a new level added to the peer review of work. Nothing to do with the university. Just “other professionals”.
A thesis isn’t just an exam, it’s a real scientific paper.
And usually claims is contents as fact, which can be referenced by others as fact.
And absolutely should be open to scrutiny so long as it is relevant.
Great points. Note: I’m not arguing against it as a concept. I’m just skeptical that it’ll happen, and even if it did, there wouldn’t likely be terrible consequences for the accused, especially as that’s what science is… new facts change the outcome vs choosing an outcome and matching facts to it.
I bet AI detection is going to get a lot better over time.
I doubt it. ChatGPT 3.5 is good enough to rewrite small snippets of text with better phrasing, ChatGPT 4.0 can write a paragraph if given enough support. Good enough as in "the output is indistinguishable from what a human would have written.
Of course you can do even more with the currently available tools - and get found out.
There is a way to make AI generated text detectable: by slightly pushing the output towards a consistent pattern a detector can reliably judge long pieces of text as AI generated.
Imagine if the AI is biased towards consecutive words starting with consecutive letters of the alphabet (e.g. “a blue car” instead of “a navy vehicle”.). Not strongly biased, but enough so that when there are 1000 words you can look at the probability of consecutive words starting with consecutive letters of the alphabet and get a clear result.There are two problems though: this only works with proprietary systems and only with long texts.
If something was written by V3 and then published, that text doesn’t get updated every time a new version of chatGPT comes out.
The text isn’t dynamic.
Yes, but at some point it doesn’t matter. The AI is trained to replicate human writing. There will be a point where it becomes so good that the result is a perfect replica, where it is indistinguishable from human text. I.e. even a perfect detector will not be able to confidently declare it as AI written, not ever. Because there is no difference.
Or we’re going the other way and just accept it as a tool for performing tasks that would otherwise take too much time.
Granted that it makes the problem of teaching students the basics even more important.
By that logic, we shouldn’t have to teach kids to walk, because they’ll be able to strap on an exoskeleton or sit in a floating chair. Heck, we will be able to make Dune style suits and never have to teach them to control their poopage.
There’s no growth without struggle.
Writing is not similar to walking. It’s more like cursive. Perhaps writing every word will seem old fashioned someday?
I know that I learn better when I write things down on paper.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/a-learning-secret-don-t-take-notes-with-a-laptop/
So do I.
It has been well documented that the act of hearing the letter, thinking about the letter and doing a physical motion to create the letter provides better connections for the learning and retaining. Same for writing full cursive words. It will get dropped totally at some point, hopefully future generations always have OCR to read new found historic manuscripts. Schools have moved to keyboarding skills and it has an impact on learning.
Funny enough, this used to be an argument made against relying on writing.
But over time looks like the snake eating it’s own tail as AI iterates over everything. Someone will have to create fuzzy AI to dilute the writing down.
When I was a kid people said the same about typing, homework has to be handwrittena because no boss will ever accept a typed report.
We had the same when media studies became a lesson, everyone freaking out that kids learning to watch TV is stupid but of course that’s not what they’re getting taught - media literacy turned our to be a hugely important subject even for those that don’t go on to work in the huge and ever growing media sector.
Teaching kids to use AI tools effectively is the same, you hear it and imagine ‘they put homework prompt into chatGPT and hand in the output’ it’s the same as imagining media studies as being nothing more than watching TV. AI is going to be an ever more present and useful tool in our lives so kids need to learn how to leverage and utilize it or they’ll be at a huge disadvantage.
You can’t hold back time by denying your kid a full education, they need to know how to effectively use the tools everyone else will be using.
The younger kids are using it as well, it’s a problem starting at an earlier age. I don’t see how chat gtp is gonna help those kids learn. AI sellers want us to think differently. But like silicon valley, their kids are not gonna be using it. Sell it to the poor schools as the future!
Chocolate production is infested with slave labor, child labor and child slave labor.
The world is littered with fake empty buildings used to obscure phone line junctions and internet provider stuff.
Almost every neighbourhood has one. But they look like normal houses, so you can never tell unless you know where to look for.
Underground railways use houses for ventilation as well.
Can’t believe Harriet Tubman got all that infrastructure up.
It’s too bad you didn’t get to post that on Juneteenth.
Los Angeles had hidden oil rigs.
There’s a power utilities building disguised as a house just down the street from me. You’d never know it wasn’t just a house besides the industrial equipment behind it, the lack of a car in the driveway and the warnings plastered on the front door.
We have them here in Toronto. Some of them have been removed, but there’s about 3 near me.
What do you look for?
I know of two buildings sort of like that, they both look like a bungalow office building with an empty parking lot and a card reader by the door, one building has plastered over windows, the other has normal but dirty windows
Here’s one on Google maps https://maps.app.goo.gl/55qqbQRYY7abKPVy9 I drove past this for years without thinking about it until one day I drove under it.
Now that I know what it is, it’s pretty obvious, but how often does the average person really inspect houses as they drive by?
Edit: maps links suck, 3911 Frances St, Burnaby, BC V5C 2P4
Haha I love how it has four reviews/3.3 stars
That one’s pretty obvious though. It’s got no windows nor doors, and like 8 condensor units out back.
I bet there are ones that are less obvious
There are other ones, this is just the obvious one. I’ve only spotted one other in the wild and I forget where it was.
Someone shared a video upthread.
Can you share the address of a specific one? (Does it count as doxxing if nobody lives in it?)
https://youtu.be/VQz9JwtmLy4?si=WmRY1M6tiy-IOOlK
This video shows a bunch in Toronto.
Thanks for sharing! That was really cool. I’m going to be looking out for those from now on.
I live near one on pharmacy and finch area, and there’s another one at Huntingwood and birchmount.
The YouTube channel The Tim Traveller has covered a few (along with a bunch of other esoteric sights, I really enjoy his stuff).
Bruh…
Building HVAC engineering (equipment sizing, ducting design, etc.) has been largely handwavy bullshit for a very long time and only recently has moved towards any sort of precision. Not uncommon to find boiler plants that are 3-4 times the maximum heating load in the winter, or fans running at 100% 24/7 when code only requires half of that.
Costs just get passed on to tenants so there was never much motivation to do better, the only reason building owners are moving now is because of government regulation and incentive programs.
Most of hacking is done by mass effort with maybe a couple percent of people that aren’t doing basic things to protect themselves being affected. That couple of percent is enough to keep the hackers flush. (So please, follow basic cybersecurity steps, people.)
The plain truth of the matter, though, is that if a hacker or group of hackers is targeting someone individually for reasons, that person is in real trouble.
This has been a PSA for everyone chasing fame and clout.
The quality of education at college and university is in free fall.
I went to college before the internet was ever considered a valid source for any material. But using the internet made research extremely easy if I could determine the book source for reference.
I went back to college right around that time the internet just became the default source for everything. It was staggering how little information was expected to be known. The implicit ubiquitous access to information was a staggering foundational shift.
I fear too many universities are businesses designed to fund seminars; and students graduating are whether an afterthought or an actual negative for them.
It was related to me that, because they want to keep their customers, one can solve any problem at uni - grades, minor victimless crimes, etc - simply by offering to take more courses. The only problem money can’t solve is the one where the student has no more money, and it’s over quickly after that (saw that one happen).
It is far worse than that.
Universities have a lot of metrics that they are judged against that don’t lead to a quality education. Research doesn’t lead to good undergraduate students. A good pass rate just means the curriculum is soft enough to keep don’t students from failing.
So you have university presidents who are incentivized to increase prestige and they aren’t going to focus on the quality of education because that doesn’t lead to better metrics. If presidents try to defend their universities’ way of teaching, they get replaced by those who follow the system.
Why I likes the ABET requirement for engineering. Still have an 80% fail rate due to the standards, and you get audited for coursework.
I have yet to meet an employer who will hire an engineer from a non-ABET school.
Worked in higher Ed for a decade. Can confirm.
US universities are pro football teams with a sideline in education.
Everywhere? or in what country/place?
In Quebec/Canada at least. Haven’t teach in another country but I fear it’s similar.
What is causing that? Anything I can do to offset that when my children will be old enough for it to be a problem?
Was it ever good?
lol education? you mean terrorist chanting camps.
Yep it only took 1000 allu akbars to get my mechanical engineering degree 🤡
Most problems are being solved by turning it off and on again.
These aren’t secrets, but may not be well known (unless you watch LPL):
Sentry Safes aren’t safes, they are fire boxes with a fancy lock.
High security locks are not high security because of the lock design, but because the keys are very difficult to have duplicated.
No one (except maybe intelligence agencies) breaks in to a house by picking a lock, especially in the US. Windows, weak door frames, and, in a pinch, making a hole in the wall are all faster ways of getting in.
Car keys are so expensive because many manufacturers charge a subscription or per-use fee to access and program the keys to the ignition. These costs are passed on to consumers
No one is picking your locks just to move things around or steal small, insignificant items. You are either suffering from a mental disorder or a trusted member of the household is gaslighting you (it’s not gaslighting though,
you’reyour grasp of reality is slipping. Don’t call me for a pick proof lock, just get help please)Some manufacturers (you know, in China) will put any sticker you want on the products they produce, including UL and ANSI stickers. Before buying a product that is supposedly fire-rated, such as a fire safe, check the UL website to verify the item is actually listed with them.
“Grade 1” door hardware sold in stores like Lowe’s or Home Depot is, at best, Grade 2, and is likely Grade 3 (residential grade). These grades are really just about how durable the product is over time, and how much abuse they will endure by the public.
And just a little practical advice. Find a qualified, honest locksmith before you need one. We’re like plumbers. If you wait until you have an emergency to find one, the quality will be questionable. There are a lot of scammers out there. If you don’t have a resource for locksmiths beyond Google, look on the ALOA website for members in your area. The good ones will know who the other good ones are, and won’t be shy about sharing that info if they are unavailable or too far away
Spooks (including the domestic FBI-type ones) definitely pick locks. They also have things like spray-on dust to hide the fact they’ve been in a place.
No one is picking your locks just to move things around or steal small, insignificant items. You are either suffering from a mental disorder or a trusted member of the household is gaslighting you (it’s not gaslighting though, you’re grasp of reality is slipping. Don’t call me for a pick proof lock, just get help please)
I have someone like this. Glad to hear it’s common-ish. She’s “getting help” but the doctors can’t do much more than we can.
Yeah those cases are sad. I tend to just say my prices really high, and if they persist in wanting me to come out I suddenly don’t have availability because of the “big government project” I’ve been hired to do. Even if they were worth the trouble of all the follow-up “someone broke in, you have to fix my locks” calls that inevitably come, I couldn’t in good conscience take their money.
Last time it happened a lady wanted me to install Schlage Primus deadbolts on her house because her neighbor was “breaking in and moving things to mess with me”. I gave her a quote that was 5x higher than it should have been. I kid you not, she said, “Okay, but I’ll have to wait a couple of weeks to get the money. My husband said I couldn’t change the locks anymore and that this is all in my head.” Poor lady. I saved her number so I wouldn’t forget if she called again, but I never heard from her. Hopefully she got the help she needed, but probably she got divorced and is living on the streets.
They also have things like spray-on dust to hide the fact they’ve been in a place.
New excuse for when someone complains about how I haven’t cleaned recently.
I learned to pick locks in my youth. I absolutely have picked my way into places and things to fuck with friends and family, but I always tell them. At some point.
One of my favorites was getting into my friend’s garden shed and turning everything upside down, then a few weeks later rearranging everything so it was a mirror image of how it was previously.
If there’s one thing the Lockpicking Lawyer taught me, is that the vast majority of locks only work because almost nobody bothers to learn lockpicking. Some “extra safe” locks being defeated by a fucking magnet of all things always amuse me
Sentry Safes aren’t safes, they are fire boxes with a fancy lock.
Judging by the one I bought when I went off to college to keep some documents safe, they don’t even have fancy locks. I misplaced my key, but I was able to open it in the same amount of time with a pumpkin carving knife as a jiggler.
Yeah that’s was probably a 1200 or their document box. I was thinking of the “safes” they sell with a dial or keypad lock. They can be defeated in about the same amount of time. I won’t say how, but YouTube has more than one video showing how it’s done
I won’t say how, but YouTube has more than one video showing how it’s done
You just said how.
(And I’m kidding!!!)
The fact that breaking a wall to get into the house is even a viable option honestly baffles me as a person living outside the US
Our cops do it during armed stand offs. Sometimes they have a special vehicle that rips out the wall. Murica!
Jfc. That is utter insanity
Deviant Olam is another good one for physical security. After seeing a few of his videos on gun “safes”, I looked into genuine gun safes (TRTL 30x6 or better, and/or DoD-approved weapons containers) with S&G mechanical locks, and the prices are eye watering. An S&G lock by itself ain’t too bad–about $600, IIRC–but the safe body itself was $15k+, easy. …Without shipping included, since there’s no fucking way I’m getting that into my basement myself. Most gun “safes” are not even UL-listed Residential Security Containers, and you get into $2000+ for one that meets that basic, very, very minimum level of protection. (Yes, I looked in the local gun stores that carry them.) The fact that most gun “safes” aren’t capable of resisting an 18" prybar that’s used continuously for 15 minutes is not a pleasant thought to think about.
No one is picking your locks just to move things around or steal small, insignificant items. You are either suffering from a mental disorder or a trusted member of the household is gaslighting you (it’s not gaslighting though, you’re grasp of reality is slipping. Don’t call me for a pick proof lock, just get help please)
or it’s probably monoxide poisoning.
The UL one is very applicable.
Chinese motor manufactures will often copy a design (completely rip it off) and make changes to make it even cheaper to manufacture. These make the motor no longer UL compliant. Sometimes these changes lead to it becoming unsafe, but good luck suing a Chinese manufacturer in China if your house burns down. However, they will still put a UL sticker on it and call it a day.
I used to work in motors and turbines and will outright refuse a motor made in China. Always buy motors from US or Mexican manufacturers (inside the US, cannot speak for EU). A good way to find out where the motor was made is looking to see the company that made it - and 100% your HVAC company didn’t manufacture the motor, they bought it from a B2B supplier you likely never heard of.
you’re grasp of reality is slipping
your* grasp of reality is slipping
GODDAMMIT GBOARD
Well at least nothing was randomly capitalized this time
Fucking GBoard, man!
No one (except maybe intelligence agencies) breaks in to a house by picking a lock, especially in the US. Windows, weak door frames, and, in a pinch, making a hole in the wall are all faster ways of getting in.
It reminds me of a friend who visited me from Colombia (we grew up together down south.) We were walking around a neighborhood in Vermont. He said “I’d love it if we had houses like this one in Bogota. Why don’t we?!” And I replied “Because they’d be broken into in two seconds.”
A lot of the “generic” or “store brand” packaged foods are literally the same exact product as the name brands, only in different boxes/bags
I’m not so sure about food, but for many mass market products it is indeed true that the same manufacturer can be engaged to make the same product under different branding. The difference then comes down to the corners cut to meet the client’s pricing. Crappier boxes, thinner bags, packing material, and quality inspection. Assuming the core ingredients are not compromised in some way.
I would like that… Saving on a smaller package for chips and cereal sounds great, most of it is air anyways.
No you dont. I have worked in 2 groceries stores, the bags with less air get way more crushed and broken while stocking. Having bigger bags with a lot of air keeps the chips integrity in tact.
That’s true to a point. 50% gas by fill level is ridiculous though.
What is the company’s incentive to make the package bigger than it needs to be?
Shipping costs come two fold… Weight and number of pallets. Weight change is negligible here, but the amount of air they need to ship will increase. They are incentivized to reduce it to a minimum to save on shelf, storage, and distribution costs.
They’re also incentivized to keep the same size packaging (both for logistical and public perveption reasons) and ship less product in those packages. People are willing to pay $6 for a big bag of chips, despite the big bag weighing 150g less than the normal bag 5 years ago.
They don’t get paid by the gram, they get paid by the bag. A bigger bag looks more impressive, and thus can be sold for more. Same for those tall skinny beverage cans. They look bigger than the regular cans, but are actually 25ml smaller, and yet go for a similar price.
This will continue until the price per gram is what people look for (emphasis on this at the point of sale would help), or the mass of each product is standardized. 50g, 100g, 200g, 350g, 500g, 750g, and whole kg sizes only, none of this 489g nonsense.
I don’t agree with the can example. Those are physically smaller and lack meaningful slack fill.
Your points stand for the first purchase. After that people will know the proportion of chip to air, and be annoyed by it. If they could do a bag smaller with minimal chip breakage and less air they would both succeed at getting more bags out per pallet and be lauded for not cheating people by selling air.
The slack fill is functional, and I don’t see much incentive to over do it.
I can tell the difference between generic and real cocoa pebbles. Fuck cocoa krispies too.
The one example I’m familiar with is a name brand ice cream company that produces the store brand ice cream too…in that case the recipe is different, cheaper ingredients to cut costs to the bare minimum. But using the machines for a higher volume saves money.
I’m sure ‘same exact item’ does happen too but just ‘same manufacturer’ doesn’t mean exactly the same item.
My sister worked at a dairy for a while, they both made the name brand version of cottage cheese as well as the off brand. They made several brands of cottage cheese, so you are abolutely right that different brands of product are made in tye same factory, but depending of the brand or country it was shipped to the recipie was changed slightly based on the customer’s request.
And those recipe changes were probably aimed at lowering costs, not increasing quality.
That, or taste…
For foods, they usually use cheaper ingredients, but it is the same recipe from the same factory.
Where this isn’t true, it’s extremely effective propaganda
I’d expect that to be damn near all of them because most stores don’t run their own production companies
here in Canada, generic cereal is NOT the same as name brand.
Butter. I read somewhere sometime ago in a galaxy far far away that there is only a handful of US butter manufacturers which make all the butter for all the brands. Just different packaging. I have 0 proof or evidence and going entirely off memory of prolly a reddit post 10 years ago so google it and lmk if it’s true.
