Los foros de internet están desapareciendo porque ahora todo es Reddit y Discord. Y eso es preocupante
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Hubo un tiempo en que los foros de discusión eran nuestras redes sociales. Los usuarios visitaban aquellos que se ajustaban a cierta temática y eso les...
  • AmidFuror@fedia.io
    14·
    19 days ago

    I wish there were alternatives to Reddit. If anyone has a recommendation, let me know.

  • TechNerdWizard42@lemmy.worldEnglish
    121·
    17 days ago

    I like the idea of Reddit and it works much better than Lemmy. But the moderation and AI scraping make it a no-go site for me anymore which is a shame.

    I love internet forums and have been a mod at some and very high poster at other. But the snowball effect gets them. If there’s no traffic, there’s no posts, so there’s no traffic. You need to have a good community to make it work. One area reddit really shines, small communities exist on a huge platform. Great idea before the enshittification.

    I hate discord and the fact that anyone replaces customer support or fan support pages with it, is just fundamentally broken. The idea of a forum is that the question is asked and archived. 20 years later someone else googles the question and sees the answer and all the replies that lead up to it. That’s what forums are for. In discord you ask a question and 30 seconds later it’s gone forever eaten by useless drivel. Never to be searched or found again. Idiotic.

    • bluewing@lemm.eeEnglish
      6·
      17 days ago

      Yep. A traditional forum ages and grows old. And as they get older and older, it becomes harder to draw new members because of the clique of the core membership. I’ve seen a few traditional forums die that death over the years.

      And some forums, and I belong to several, the members are literally dying from old age. We are all mostly old and retired. And we lose members every year due to death. Several times a year there is an obituary post for some long time member.

  • RubberDuck@lemmy.worldEnglish
    8·
    19 days ago

    I don’t understand why discord is so popular for communities. There is 0 permanence, and google does not index it so not even organic growth.

    Discord is a black hole of knowledge except for the ai training companies.

  • CaptainPedantic@lemmy.world
    English
    8·
    19 days ago

    Reddit does shitty stuff, but at least I’m able to find stuff on there. Why Discord took off as a medium to replace forums is beyond me. It’s not easily searchable, and search engines can’t index it. If people aren’t fastidious about replying to messages they’re responding to, it’s just a nonsense stream of consciousness from dozens of people.

    That being said, I hate the formatting of most forums. Reddit and Lemmy’s comment nesting is excellent. It’s very easy to follow conversations.

    • mox@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
      2·
      19 days ago

      I hate the formatting of most forums. Reddit and Lemmy’s comment nesting is excellent.

      The funny thing about this is that it’s just plain old threading, which has been around since the 1980s or earlier, with the slight variation of showing message contents directly in the thread tree instead of beside it (thanks to today’s high-res displays).

      Usenet readers did threading. Email apps could do it if the developers wanted to; the required information is there. I’ll bet there’s forum software that can do it if an admin enables it.

      For some reason, most corporations seem to have decided that classic message threading has no place in their interfaces. They resort to piling things into stacks or serializing them into seemingly endless scrolls. It fails to represent the structure of group discussions, and sadly, has been going on for so long that many people might not have ever seen the better alternative outside of reddit.

    • Tippon@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      2·
      19 days ago

      That being said, I hate the formatting of most forums. Reddit and Lemmy’s comment nesting is excellent. It’s very easy to follow conversations.

      You could set that up on a lot of forums, you just had to select threaded view in the settings 👍

      • unalivejoy@lemm.eeEnglish
        1·
        19 days ago

        discourse does this well. While not exactly reply chain based, it’s still fairly easy to follow imo.

        discourse > discord

    • GreatAlbatross@feddit.ukEnglish
      1·
      18 days ago

      Why Discord took off as a medium to replace forums is beyond me

      My theory is that it was used as the primary form of informal communication by groups doing something, then it felt like a community.
      And since everyone was there…Why not put the documentation there? Sure, it’s not indexable, but the group is open-sign-up, right? Right?

      Then a few years down the line, someone suggests switching to another primary storage location…Then faces huge amounts of push-back from people comfy sitting on discord.

    • DJDarren@thelemmy.clubEnglish
      1·
      19 days ago

      I use Opencore Legacy Patcher to run unsupported macOS on my older Macs. They used to have an excellent Reddit group that was easily searchable and rammed full of really good advice on how to fix common issues.

      A couple of years ago they shuttered the group and moved everything over to Discord, and it’s been hell ever since trying to figure out how to fix something if it goes wrong.

      You search for your issue, find someone talking about it, then have to pick through the dozens of replies either side to try and figure out if there’s anything useful. There are dedicated support threads now, but hardly anyone uses them, so they’re not helpful.

      I really, really hate Discord as a support medium, and can’t for the life of me work out why the OCLP mods chose it over Reddit.

  • Roflmasterbigpimp@lemmy.worldEnglish
    41·
    17 days ago

    Maybe I’m too young or just had bad luck, but ALL the interactions I’ve ever had with Internet forums have been unbelievably awful. Whenever I asked a question, I was asked why I wanted to know that and was lectured that my reasons were stupid, bad, or wrong (how is that even possible?). People hijacked my post and talked about anything else, and I received NO answer whatsoever! This kind of thing happened way too often, regardless of the type of forum. This occurred in Skyrim forums, Coh2 forums, PC forums, aquarium forums, … I hate forums. It’s good that they are dying, and I, for one, will not miss them at all.

    • Xatolos@reddthat.comEnglish
      3·
      17 days ago

      Ugh… This was already mentioned before in another channel. Did you even read the rules? Modding you down and banned.

      (These actions haven’t been better, in fact they tend to be worse. I’ll take PC forums over this ego tripping mod actions).

    • tal@lemmy.todayEnglish
      1·
      17 days ago

      I’d call Reddit and the Threadiverse and Usenet and such forums. They’re just broad, with many different categories, or “meta-forums”, as compared to a site with a dedicated-to-a-single-topic forum.

      Some other drawbacks of having many independent forums:

      • You have to create and maintain a ton of accounts.

      • Different, incompatible markup syntax.

      • Often missing features (e.g. Markdown has tables; few forums let one create tables)

      • Some forum systems ordered comments by time rather than parent comment, which was awful to browse.

      • Often insane requirements to get an account. I can think of a few forums that were very difficult to get access to, either because the “new user” system was incompatible with some email system or just had other problems.

      I mean, there are a lot of websites with “comment” sections, which is kind of a lightweight forum attached to a webpage, and they’re almost invariably awful.

    • racemaniac@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      21·
      17 days ago

      I’m kind of wondering what forums you visited.

      What however is a recurrent issue with young people on forums is them asking questions that have already been answered a million times. On sites like reddit & discord, that’s the norm, we need new content all the time, the 526th person asking just keeps the social media going.

      On forums however the etiquette is that you do some effort yourself, and something that gets asked that often is either a sticky, or a long running thread with all the information you could possibly want (but you’ll need to invest some of your own time to get the information from there). And if you then arrive on the forum, read nothing, and ask the same question… again… yeah… you won’t be welcomed with open arms.

      • Butt Pirate@reddthat.com
        English
        1·
        17 days ago

        Oh a long running thread, my least favorite thing on the entire internet.

        “Hey do you have an answer to my question”

        Yeah bro, its in this 700 page forum thread. Here’s a tent and some supplies, godspeed."

        Fuck that.

        • racemaniac@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
          1·
          17 days ago

          Once it becomes too big the forum admin should realize it’s time to make a subsection regarding that topic XD.

          Forums for sure aren’t perfect, but a 20 page forum thread that does a deep dive into a topic with a lot of good contributors beats anything i expect to find on discord or lemmy.

        • racemaniac@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
          11·
          17 days ago

          Without actual examples it’s really hard to tell if the forum was just a toxic environment, or you were the newbie not reading the room. I’ve seen both happen.

    • Nicoleism101@lemm.eeEnglish
      11·
      17 days ago

      Cmon reddit is worse than almost any forum. You have to really carefully choose your words and add a lot of word sugar so that no one jumps at you saying you are a worthless pos for even having some opinion with their throwaway trolling account enjoying the anonymity. Or worse some genuine crazy person.

      Whereas on mature forums users know each other more closely and it wards off the most freaky behaviour and attack.

      They won’t usually say stuff like you are a racist pos for idk getting a white phone the dumbest of things. Because they will just be ostracised out of the platform.

      You kind of worry about your reputation. You don’t want ppl to see your avatar/nick and immediately write you off.

      Lemmy is only better than Reddit because it is smaller but if it was the size of aforementioned we would have it even worse than r.

  • mr_robot@lemmy.worldEnglish
    3·
    19 days ago

    I’m gonna keep posting on Lemmy and hope that helps. Our collective communities should not be in the hands of mega corporations.

  • markon@lemmy.worldEnglish
    2·
    17 days ago

    Yeah everyone like “AI content flood oh noooo, AI AI AI” yet very few mention this much much bigger issue of centralized algorithmically controlled walled gardens where everyone is. That’s kinda like WeChat in China. It is hard to have real democracy or freedom of information (or privacy of any sort) when only a few big corporations have the social networks all locked down. The bad thing is because of the social network effect it’s extremely hard to get people to switch even if the alternatives are even better! So much momentum. We need to find out a way to be able to help distribute users because the software isn’t the problem anymore and neither is infrastructure or any of the other stuff that is given the big guys advantage really. The biggest problem aside from the social network effect is monetization I suppose. Still, it’s hard to even start any kind of method of monetization for alternative platforms or decentralized platforms when you can’t get anybody to switch in the first place or can’t get critical mass.

  • LordCrom@lemmy.worldEnglish
    2·
    18 days ago

    I tried running a forum… With 24 hours I had 10k posts for Russian porn… And I followed best practices to set it up.

    • cjk@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
      1·
      18 days ago

      I am running a forum (about web technologies), and have been doing so for about 24 years (damn. I’m old). I had some spam problems, but was able to get rid of it.

      It probably helps that I wrote the software myself (24 years ago there weren’t many forum software projects).

      But the traffic is declining. The peak was around 2003-2005, with >500 posts per day, and is slowly declining since then with a massive drop last year (about 19 posts per day). Young people only rarely use the forum anymore, despite massive modernization efforts, and the older people slowly disappear.

          1998 |   6686
    1999 |  40528
    2000 |  70379
    2001 |  41129
    2002 | 171294
    2003 | 203642
    2004 | 204685
    2005 | 173659
    2006 | 150000
    2007 | 135936
    2008 | 126283
    2009 |  94894
    2010 |  70333
    2011 |  48691
    2012 |  31197
    2013 |  30606
    2014 |  30227
    2015 |  29334
    2016 |  25472
    2017 |  27505
    2018 |  28551
    2019 |  22366
    2020 |  17250
    2021 |  12794
    2022 |  10135
    2023 |   7151

      If the trend continues we will shut it down in a year or two.

      • Scrollone@feddit.itEnglish
        1·
        18 days ago

        From your stats, it’s clear that the first fall was caused by Facebook and smartphones.

        • cjk@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
          1·
          18 days ago

          Yes, the uprise of social media was a big hit in traffic.

          But I disagree with the smartphone part, quite the opposite. Suddenly the forum was flooded with questions about HTML/CSS/JS issues with smartphones. I suspect that smartphones delayed the drop in postings.

    • dutchkimble@lemy.lolEnglish
      01·
      18 days ago

      Oh no, that’s really sad and disgusting. Please share the link so that we know to avoid it.

  • cumskin_genocide@lemm.eeEnglish
    1·
    17 days ago

    Mods all over the Internet killed forums with their bullshit. The users too. You can’t tame the mob and the users drag their shit on the carpet like a dog doing the scuttle.

    Take a look at the shit show of the Neogaf/Resetera split as an example.

  • The Picard Maneuver@lemmy.worldEnglish
    1·
    19 days ago

    There was a story recently about a depressing number of web domains disappearing. Everybody just gravitates to the big corporate sites now, and it makes the internet ecosystem boring and less diverse.

    It’s the equivalent of Walmarts running every mom & pop store out of town.

  • Peddlephile@lemm.eeEnglish
    1·
    18 days ago

    Welcome to the new era of enshittification where you’ll eventually have to subscribe to access or make posts, and none of it will be searchable on any search engines.

  • curiousPJ@lemmy.worldEnglish
    1·
    18 days ago

    Maybe for the generic cat/dog image sharing boards but niche topics like machining are still thriving.

  • BigBananaDealer@lemm.eeEnglish
    1·
    19 days ago

    if anyone here used to go on kongregate a lot, go check it out now. it is depressing. they dont even have chat rooms anymore

  • TheObviousSolution@lemm.eeEnglish
    0·
    18 days ago

    I wouldn’t mind Reddit if it weren’t for the opaque and hidden moderation. Tree nested communication is much more superior than traditional thread based communication. We need that in truly federated fashion, and lemmy was just a step there whose questionable leadership hampers any real wide-scale adoption.

    Lemmy does slightly better, but essentially proves that when you have shitty administrators and moderators, the only thing that’s going to be transparent is the quickest and easiest excuse, and when it’s a lie it remains it remains incontestable. You only need to look at threads titled “Lemmy.ml tankie censorship problem” and read the comments to get a sense of the scale of the problem. Discord, at least it’s much more obvious that you are joining closed off communities and that discussions are essentially time limited.

    Things like community wikis have also dropped off in use specially recently because it’s becoming clear how much of their content is intent on milking their users. First it was ads, and it was excused because “hosting costs” (regardless of how comparable they were), now it’s AI scavenging your content and those services actively preventing you from eliminating content you contributed but are no longer willing to let them host.

    Even in Lemmy, where’s the option for me to remove my comments when I no longer want them to be hosted? In Lemmy, due to its federated nature, it’s even more difficult, but given that you can edit comments and have those updates propagated, not impossible. But nothing beats reddit in abuse, where they shamelessly tried to say they would allow respect and allow users to monetize their content but instead proceeded to do the complete opposite. The fact that there might/will be some other cache on the Internet that stores the content does not excuse it and give people the right to pressure and dismiss chain of ownership of those contributions.

    Add to this that the economy is far worse and that the tech boom is shrinking and much more competition driven along with a general decline in society for respectful contributions and discourse, and you get a lot less of the sort of charity that was involved in older communities.

    • Schadrach@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
      1·
      18 days ago

      Lemmy does slightly better, but essentially proves that when you have shitty administrators and moderators, the only thing that’s going to be transparent is the quickest and easiest excuse, and when it’s a lie it remains it remains incontestable. You only need to look at threads titled “Lemmy.ml tankie censorship problem” and read the comments to get a sense of the scale of the problem.

      Forums are only as good as their moderators. Always have been, always will be. I’d love something akin to Reveddit for Lemmy though.

        • Schadrach@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
          1·
          13 days ago

          This seems like it would be pretty possible - you’d just need an instance that basically just takes in all the data and just marks moderation/deletion as such rather than actually altering the posts. The hard part would be not getting it defederated by half the instances out there specifically for providing unddit/reveddit functionality.