this kind of rhetoric will never work against somebody who was already president. Her campaign has made a mistake, which honestly shouldn’t be big enough to crash the election but its the US and the electoral college who the fuck knows how 5000 psychopaths in swing states are going to vote after being bombarded with record breaking levels of insane propaganda…
It should be clear that the easy way to campaign on trump is to hit him hard in the economy: He had to bailout farmers because of his first round of tariffs. US steel still hasn’t recovered. Trump tariffs will not only raise prices but the resulting bailouts will drastically increase inflation and eventually he will run out of scapegoats to blame his failures on so however loyal to trump you seem to be, eventually he will blame you and send the military on you for criticizing him
the neonazis and white supremicists and basically all the butthurt bumpkins will
Yes of course they will. Trumps cultists know exactly what he is and they vote for him because of that.
He sleeps with Mein Kampf next to his bed. Wants to be a dictator on day 1. Sees good people at a Nazi march. Wants generals like Hitler’s. By George he just may be a Nazi.
Didn’t Hitler’s generals try to assassinate Hitler?
Per the book, [former chief of staff] Kelly explained to Trump that German generals “tried to kill Hitler three times and almost pulled it off.” “No, no, no, they were totally loyal to him,” the president is said to have responded.
Even Hitler tried to assassinate Hitler
After they started losing I believe they did.
Hitler wasn’t all bad, he did kill Hitler.
Shame he waited until the end, instead of doing it at the start though.
The only good thing they did, well tried to do.
Yes, pretty sure it may have been multiple times. Rommel was implicated in one of the plots and was why he was forced to commit suicide.
Didn’t they already do that at least once?
I don’t like to judge people black on white.
Hitler did kill Hitler, so there’s something good to say about him
ML loves him.
I’m voting for harris but I had no clue about lemmy or what i was doing when I signed up lol, at least it wasn’t hexbear. I’m probably just going to stop using this website though due to the amount of people who are hostile towards me just because of something next to my name, literally some lame reddit shit, but that makes sense when you realize this website is just snobby redditors who got too snobby for reddit
Well you can migrate your account, you know, away from that pro dictatorship site and just carry on as usual.
There is the autobahn… thankfully the US already has what is probably the best highway system in the world, so NOT a reason to elect Trump.
“the best highway system in the world”
😐
He just completed the already planned roads…
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Why is everything in the US such black and white?
I’m from Germany and while I 100% agree that Hitler was among the worst humans to ever live it’s not as if there are no good things to say. He massively invested in infrastructure, he was one of the most charismatic speakers, some of the most impressive buildings where constructed under his rule. It’s not much and it’s certainly not redeeming the guy but saying that there wasn’t anything good to say is just denying the reality
Almost nothing in life is a pure black and white situation and I really hate how politicians (especially in countries with a two party systems) seem to force that
Democracy is all about that gray area where compromises are found including the best aspects of both sides. If you paint someone as the absolute evil right from the start that’s not something you can do without losing faith from your voters.
Nobody needs to invoke Hitler to say infrastructure spending is good.
It was just an example because just last week someone was claiming Germany should stop using the Olympiastadion in Berlin only because it was constructed for propaganda reasons.
The fact that Hitler is responsible for that doesn’t necessarily make it bad. A horrible person can also do a few things right. You can acknowledge that without praising the guy.
Damn, if only there was someone in history other than Hitler to praise for investing in infrastructure, speaking charismatically, and being in power while other people built cool buildings. 🤨
Guess we’ll have to ignore the extremely obvious context of praising Hitler for any reason whatsoever, because it’d be terrible to be unnuanced about a mass murdering bigot.
I’m not praising Hitler at all. I’m only saying that people are deliberately ignoring that he didn’t do everything he did because he wanted to be evil, but because he had a (horrible) vision for the world. And not all aspects of that vision where inherently evil.
Humans just have the tendency to put everything into boxes of good or bad. It’s uncomfortable if something is not fitting 100% into one of those boxes. And from my experiences people almost never fit 100% into those boxes.
Even serial killers sometimes have grandmas they lovingly took care of.
Even child-rapists have friends they support when they need help.Sure they still are monsters - but they still are humans, too
I’m not praising Hitler at all.
You very much are, just not praising him for the bad things he did
I’m not sure I’m particularly clear about the distinction you’re trying to make between wanting to be evil, and having a world view that requires you to do a ton of evil stuff.
If we humans have agency, then surely our worldview is at least somewhat a decision we’re culpable for.
Also, there are times it’s appropriate to discuss certain topics, and times it is not. A dissertation about the upsides of Hitler is not relevant to Trump being compared to Hitler, unless you intend to make the argument that Trump being like Hitler might also have some upsides.
Save it for where it belongs: a history book.
There are people that get off on other people suffering and that want to create as much suffering as possible.
Those people are evil.
Hitler had an agency that saw people suffering as a means to an ends. That doesn’t excuse any of it and taking that route to get to that goal certainly is an evil decision, but that doesn’t automatically make the goal a bad one (in this case it was since the Holocaust was pretty much the goal and not just the way there).
Perhaps I’m using the wrong words as it’s not my native language but I think there are things he did that aren’t automatically bad just because it was Hitler who did them. That’s not praising the guy - it just acknowledges that even a broken clock is right twice a day and not always showing the wrong time by default.
I thought given the subject of the thread it was obvious that I was referring to Trump praising Hitler, not that I was accusing you of praising him.
And given the state of the world, I devote about as much energy to caring about the dehumanization of Hitler as I do for the welfare of Guinea worms. In a perfect world, sure, everyone should have an understanding that everyone is a person and not a cartoon caricature. And that world is never going to exist if you stand around letting presidents praise fucking Hitler.
There aren’t many things in life that are truely black and white. That being said, hitler IS one of those things.
Hitler = bad guy.
There is no arguement. None. NONE.
Zip it.
I never said he was a good guy? I just said that not everything he did was bad.
Are you disagreeing that his vision about the Autobahn or the founding of Volkswagen or the construction of things like the Olympiastadion are not good things despite the huge amount of horrible shit he did?
Are you not acknowledging that he was more charismatic in his speeches than many other people despite all the hateful things he fueled using that skill?How is it so hard to see someone that’s clearly an enemy of everything we stand for today as a human and not as some supernatural evil? I think doing this is just helping the populists divide their countries even faster. There needs to be an understanding of why people follow those kind of guys and which things they are doing are not inherently evil to see why people were drawn to those characters.
I’m not saying you should compromise with Nazis. I’m in fact politically active here in Germany to oppose the CDU making deals with the AfD on a local level. I’m only saying that even the Nazis didn’t do things because they wanted to be evil - they did it because they had a different (horrible) vision of the world. I think it’s important to not see anyone as 100% evil as that is just a very cheap way to not have to think about uncomfortable things
Do you actually think that’s what Trump likes about him? It appears black and white to us because we know that ain’t it.
No of course not - Trump’s a huge buffoon that loves dictators just for the fact that they are dictators. I was just referencing the “Are You Really Going to Elect a Guy Who Has Good Things to Say About Hitler?”-Part, since that in itself for me is not automatically a negative.
Ignoring that Hitler had positive traits, too, and pretending that people voted for a guy that was evil in all aspects is convenient but very dangerous - especially since it enables people voting for populists like Trump to pretend that he can’t be as bad as Hitler (which is probably the case - but if Hitler is painted as this absolute evil it’s actually very easy to make this claim without a second though. If you see Hitler as an opportunistic asshole that wasn’t inherently evil just for the sake of it then that comparison is a lot closer.
Demonizing Hitler as some kind of comic-book villain is ignoring how complex the situation leading up to him becoming leader of the Third Reich was and how people didn’t see him for how bad he was until it was too late.
He said he wanted his military generals to look like Hitler’s
In their book, The Divider: Trump in the White House, Peter Baker and Susan Glasser reported that Trump asked John Kelly, his chief of staff at the time, “Why can’t you be like the German generals?”
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According to Baker and Glasser, Kelly explained to Trump that German generals “tried to kill Hitler three times and almost pulled it off.” This correction did not move Trump to reconsider his view: “No, no, no, they were totally loyal to him,” the president responded.
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This week, I asked Kelly about their exchange. He told me that when Trump raised the subject of “German generals,” Kelly responded by asking, “‘Do you mean Bismarck’s generals?’” He went on: “I mean, I knew he didn’t know who Bismarck was, or about the Franco-Prussian War. I said, ‘Do you mean the kaiser’s generals? Surely you can’t mean Hitler’s generals? And he said, ‘Yeah, yeah, Hitler’s generals.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2024/10/trump-military-generals-hitler/680327/
Democracy is all about that gray area where compromises are found
That gray area which allows for oppressing the masses in order to enrich the few? I am happy to say that human economic activity, as immoral as it is, seems to be reducing the chances of humans surviving. Good riddance to this kind of ignorant trash, and I hope your money helps your descendants when your decisions kill them.
I’d live to overthrow capitalism today rather than tomorrow - I just know that there are too many egoistic assholes out there that would just abuse whatever socialist system we would implement to fuck people over. The same kind of people that today have established themselves as billionaires - only that today it’s only a couple that managed that and I’d assume that between 20 and 40% of the population are completely ignorant of others if they think it helps themselves in the short term.
All I’m saying is that we should work together towards a goal that helps everyone instead of splitting the population and creating infighting which only helps those that are already on top.
If there was a common ground between Democrats and Republicans that certainly would be a shared interest to limit the power and wealth of “the elite” - it’s just that both sides have made it impossible to even talk about common ground and within both parties those wanting to reduce the wealth and influence of rich people are the minority and to divided to act.
We are gonna elect the person enabling a holocaust like Hitler
I would argue that Trump would be way worse for Gaza, he seems to be of the mindset of “kill the weak and be done” so for him to “fix” the middle east, would probably just be to bomb the shit out of everyone until they stop fighting.
He doesn’t strike me as a great peace maker, more like a
dictator on day one
So… Do you honestly believe that Trump would do anything to stop Israel? They’re killing Muslims, the only thing the GOP loves more than demonizing the Jewish.
You must have failed history class.
America tends to elect someone representing the interests of those who have money and power. And those who have money and power seem to accept that brown foreign people have to die so they can make money selling arms.
This is terrible, but it is also normal, and also people like making money. So people will, far too often, let it slide. And when you let something like that slide, you rationalise how you’re not a bad person, so you victim blame.
This is one more reason why I am not completely unhappy about the possibility of humans ending their own existence through economic activity. Sadly, they will take many other species with them.
Yes, surely donald “finish the job” trump will broker peace.
I’m not sure that anticolonialist is saying Trump is a better choice. They might be implying that it is sad that the American populace always has to pick between two choices which cause harm, and I agree that is a situation worth mentioning.
If they explicitly reply with ‘Trump is better’, I will strongly disagree.
To use your analogy of the holocaust, we are Japan in this situation. While we can do something its so little as to be borderline fuck all. Best we could do is arrange an accident with Netanyahu, but yet again that could make it worse.
Okay this is nothing more than American copium. Israel survives off American aid and trade, and threatening to cut either off would get them to back off faster than you could say genocide. This isn’t theory; it’s been done before.
When something is wrong, taking a stand against it isn’t only about it being effective. It’s about showing publicly that something is wrong.
I don’t kidnap people and force them to live in my compost bin. When I hear of others acting in this way, I condemn it. Me not doing this does not effectively stop others from doing it. But I still do it, as it is my moral duty.
I believe that killing innocent people by bombing schools and hospitals is at least as bad as the action I just described.
