Yeah, that’s not how the military works at all. Maybe in business management, but not military. People seem to forget Starfleet is just that. The commander has a philosophy (that they will often draft a letter about when they assume command) and the unit adapts to it.
People used to that are a little more understanding of Jellico and recognize that dread the enterprise crew had when they realized how good they had it under Picard.
People acting like Picard ran a tight ship are just deluding themselves. If Picard ran his ship half as well as, say, a modern air craft carrier then there would be no show. It’d be boring.
I really wish to see more accurate depictions of military life. Strangely competent in some areas but at the same time mundane incompetence everywhere.
It’s basically a workplace comedy, and one of the focuses of the show is how bad Starfleet is about making sure their strange new worlds are getting on okay a couple decades after first contact. The crew of the Cerritos are simultaneously Starfleet’s best, and an absolute embarrassment lol
It’s a fantastic show, that really gets the soul of Star Trek. You should check it out
not military. People seem to forget Starfleet is just that.
The Enterprise is a “ship of exploration”, as they remind us every other episode. It has a ton of biological and astronomical labs on board. Their mission is:
to explore strange new worlds; to seek out new life and new civilizations; to boldly go where no man / one has gone before
That’s the mission of a diplomatic vessel. They just also have weapons. It’s 100% not a military ship. Starfleet itself is repeatedly described as not a military organization.
The only “military” version of the Enterprise D is in the TNG episode where they encounter the Enterprise C that returns from the past. It’s completely different from the regular version, and the difference between the timelines is stark.
The Enterprise is a “ship of exploration” in a way that’s not possible today. You’re misunderstanding them. They’re like a explorer’s ship in the “Age of Exploration”, Captain Cook or Magellan or Christopher Columbus. Although their mission is slightly different: diplomacy vs. claiming territory.
All those ships were fast and had weapons too. Diplomacy requires weapons. Starfleet is clearly not a military. Even civilian ships today have “captains”, “first officers”, etc. Cruise ships have them. Even pirate ships had them. Rank and hierarchy is not exclusive to the Navy / military.
How many Naval battles were the Endeavor, Trinidad, and Santa Maria involved in?
Starfleet didn’t just send armed ships out exploring like Magellan. The Enterprise was frequently pulled out from exploring/diplomacy and sent into full battles because it was their biggest battleship.
Sisko was in Starfleet. The Defiant wasn’t for exploration and diplomacy.
Yeah, that’s not how the military works at all. Maybe in business management, but not military. People seem to forget Starfleet is just that. The commander has a philosophy (that they will often draft a letter about when they assume command) and the unit adapts to it. People used to that are a little more understanding of Jellico and recognize that dread the enterprise crew had when they realized how good they had it under Picard.
People acting like Picard ran a tight ship are just deluding themselves. If Picard ran his ship half as well as, say, a modern air craft carrier then there would be no show. It’d be boring.
I really wish to see more accurate depictions of military life. Strangely competent in some areas but at the same time mundane incompetence everywhere.
It would probably be boring though.
Isn’t that basically what Lower Decks is?
Is it? Haven’t watched it yet unfortunately
It’s basically a workplace comedy, and one of the focuses of the show is how bad Starfleet is about making sure their strange new worlds are getting on okay a couple decades after first contact. The crew of the Cerritos are simultaneously Starfleet’s best, and an absolute embarrassment lol
It’s a fantastic show, that really gets the soul of Star Trek. You should check it out
The Enterprise is a “ship of exploration”, as they remind us every other episode. It has a ton of biological and astronomical labs on board. Their mission is:
That’s the mission of a diplomatic vessel. They just also have weapons. It’s 100% not a military ship. Starfleet itself is repeatedly described as not a military organization.
The only “military” version of the Enterprise D is in the TNG episode where they encounter the Enterprise C that returns from the past. It’s completely different from the regular version, and the difference between the timelines is stark.
Military doesn’t always equate to conquest or violence. For instance, the internet came from a milliary project.
So why is the Enterprise a critical ship every time there is a major military engagement?
What are the ranks in this “not a military organization” again?
The episode Jellico is in is called “chain of command”. Weird title for something 100% not military.
Starfleet’s primary purpose is peace and exploration yes. They still have the structure and organization of a military.
The Enterprise is a “ship of exploration” in a way that’s not possible today. You’re misunderstanding them. They’re like a explorer’s ship in the “Age of Exploration”, Captain Cook or Magellan or Christopher Columbus. Although their mission is slightly different: diplomacy vs. claiming territory.
All those ships were fast and had weapons too. Diplomacy requires weapons. Starfleet is clearly not a military. Even civilian ships today have “captains”, “first officers”, etc. Cruise ships have them. Even pirate ships had them. Rank and hierarchy is not exclusive to the Navy / military.
How many Naval battles were the Endeavor, Trinidad, and Santa Maria involved in?
Starfleet didn’t just send armed ships out exploring like Magellan. The Enterprise was frequently pulled out from exploring/diplomacy and sent into full battles because it was their biggest battleship.
Sisko was in Starfleet. The Defiant wasn’t for exploration and diplomacy.
The structure comes from the milliary though. I think that was the point they were making.