Louisiana has become the first state to require that the Ten Commandments be displayed in every public school classroom under a bill signed into law by Republican Gov. Jeff Landry on Wednesday.
The GOP-drafted legislation mandates that a poster-sized display of the Ten Commandments in “large, easily readable font” be required in all public classrooms, from kindergarten to state-funded universities. Although the bill did not receive final approval from Landry, the time for gubernatorial action — to sign or veto the bill — has lapsed.
Opponents question the law’s constitutionality, warning that lawsuits are likely to follow. Proponents say the purpose of the measure is not solely religious, but that it has historical significance. In the law’s language, the Ten Commandments are described as “foundational documents of our state and national government.
How is this not a first amendment constitutional violation? It very clearly establishes a state religion by enforcing Christian doctrine into state law. Fuck every religion, but in particular, fuck abrahamic religion and all of its followers.
It is, the point is to make it to the Supreme Court so they can set a precedent that its allowed.
They’re supposed to be the court defending the constitution, but yet here we are. I wish you weren’t right.
If they actually believe in that whole originalism thing they claim (basically that the text of the constitution means what it would have meant at the time it was written, and shifts in the definition of words don’t change that meaning) they still can’t allow it. There’s basically no way to interpret the Constitution that would result in mandating a specific religious affirmation be in public facilities isn’t “promoting an establishment of religion”.
The best they could hope for without just ignoring the Constitution entirely and making something up (which all their conservatism.aside they generally haven’t done yet) would be arguing that this requires opening the door to any similar list of religious tenets by literally every faith on the planet.
Sounds like a good way to destroy the 2nd amendment.
As a Canadian, I have the same question. Is this just the old "slam through an obviously unconstitutional law because it will take years and hundreds of thousands of dollars to get it undone and until then maybe we can keep pushing our clearly anti-American agenda? (note I’m using American to mean what they claim it to mean, like in the movies, not what it actually is, which is kinda… this.)
remember that it’s the gays that are indoctrinating our children!
remember that it’s the moslems that want sharia law!
remember that it’s the librulls that don’t respect that constitution!
We need to enact a law that requires states to either adhere to the Seperation of Church and State or have every single church in their state have their religious tax exemption status revoked. Churches that get it revoked is mandatorily required a tax payback to the IRS of up to 5 years or more. If a church is unable to payback owed taxes once revoked will have their churches taken and land converted to into free public usage.
Did you know if every church in America took in two homeless people, there wouldn’t be any homeless people left in America?
Lol Jesus would hate that, remember when he went to the Pharisees and went like
You guys fucking slay, LOVE IT
Me: Please let me know how many homeless people each church would need to host to help all the homeless people
ChatGPT: Each church in the United States would need to host approximately 1.87 homeless people to accommodate all the homeless individuals in the country.
That is truly absurd!
It really is absurd. I want someone to create a trend of how many homeless does your church house? Kind of like a competition… in reality some large churches could support 100 and other very small rural ones might struggle to support one.
This country is so completely fucked.
Can’t wait to see the
eightseven tenets of the Satanic Temple right up there next to themPlease donate to The Satanic Temple if you care about this topic and are able.
TST is not a super great org unfortunately. They do stuff for great headlines but apparently little in the way of effective advocacy. I’ve also heard that there are pretty bad issues with misogyny among the upper echelons. While it’s extremely long at 2hrs, Dead Domain’s video on the subject goes into great detail.
It’s really unfortunate, I wanted to believe they were fighting the good fight but I don’t know if I can in good conscience anymore
Why do I care about what a video game youtuber thinks?
Do yourself a favor and don’t.
I don’t know how this has become a seemingly valid method of argument for an altogether too-large segment of the internet. Make some contrarian comment and then post a stupidly long video by some random that they seem to think is valid and useful evidence.
No one is going to watch this shit. Anyone who has two hours to waste on some random dude’s opinions interspersed with commercials needs to reexamine their life priorities.
I linked it because I recall it having a lot of cogent points and being relevant, and because I don’t remember off the top of my head the specific allegations, I didn’t want to dig through a two hour video I’ve already seen at the exact moment of writing because I only had so much time and research to dedicate to a Lemmy comment. It’s valid to be annoyed by a long video linked as an argument, but my comment was a “too long didn’t watch” version of it… that actually left out some details like the founder also being a fucking eugenicist.
I also use an adblocker, and the vid has some opinions obviously but was mostly going over evidence, recordings, and related allegations.
You don’t have to watch it if you don’t want to. I linked it as a secondary source. While primary sources are preferable and it might have been a good idea to do the legwork myself, I wanted something posted quick to maybe make people think twice on the “donate to TST” call to action in the initial comment.
If the entirety of the video is summarized by the three whole sentences of context you wrote in your initial comment, it sounds even less worth a watch than I initially thought.
From what I can find in actual sources, there’s two founders, and I’m guessing your claim on the eugenics is about Greaves, who certainly sounds like an asshole if not explicitly a eugenicist, but weirdly it didn’t take a two-hour anything to read about it.
The rest of it seems to stem from something a former spokesperson wrote in a Medium article and a bunch of other asshole stunts by Greaves, who yes totally seems like an asshole. None of this took more than ten minutes of searching and reading, maybe thirty if you read slowly.
I get that you’re not the only person in the world that does this, but if you actually care to make people think about something even once, like you claim to, maybe make the one thing you link to more accessible than a two-hour slog by some random YouTuber that I’m sure is super well-known to you and all their other followers but has no recognizable credibility outside of that tiny niche.
… it’s not really an opinion piece? It’s mostly a breakdown of the church’s dubious history and leadership. I’m sure they also do video game stuff, but that feels like it has no bearing on the actual facts presented.
the Ten Commandments are described as “foundational documents of our state and national government.
Jefferson must be rolling in his grave so fast that he could power the whole east coast. Bunch of uneducated goons.
Thomas Jefferson would never roll over in his grave. He would have his slaves roll him.
Atonal screaming heard in distance
Glad I’m far enough down this rabbit hole to get the reference.
You know who else atonally screams into the void…?
The… products and services that support this lemmy thread?
I’d love for them to point to where it suggests that in either the federal or state constitutions.
I wouldn’t point to state constitutions there’s probably a few that do say that.
One now does…
6 and 8 are the only ones that are laws, and those are just common sense shit, don’t murder or steal. The first 4 are telling you what god to worship and how, which are explicitly the opposite of what a government is built on.
There’s also the one about bearing false witness, aka perjury/defamation/libel/slander.
Bunch of uneducated goons.
Oh, they know they’re lying, they just want to lie so much they bury the truth re-write the past (which is kinda ironic if you think about it, given that whole eight commandment). It’s kinda the same way the “Lost Cause of the Confederacy” is embedded into American mythology despite being a after-the-fact whitewashing of history.
No one challenged the law makers to prove that they were right. They are lying because they can get away with it - no one in any position of power asked or was asked which foundational document was forged by forefathers from Christian (or any religion) doctrine.
In the language of the law, the Ten Commandments are “foundational documents of our state and national government.”
Uh, no they fucking aren’t, lmao
Only thing historically significant about the 10 commandments is that the founding fathers didn’t want them in classrooms
“If you want to respect the rule of law, you’ve got to start from the original lawgiver, which was Moses”
Bollocks, more like.
The earliest known laws are from The Code of Ur-Nammu from Mesopotamia written on tablets around 2100–2050 BCE. If Moses existed, he was probably chiselling away at his tables six or seven hundred years later.
So I demand that these laws replace the 10 Commandments in schools. Who could forget such classics as:
- If a prospective son-in-law enters the house of his prospective father-in-law, but his father-in-law later gives his daughter to another man, the father-in-law shall return to the rejected son-in-law twofold the amount of bridal presents he had brought.
- If a man’s slave-woman, comparing herself to her mistress, speaks insolently to her, her mouth shall be scoured with 1 quart of salt.
- If a man, in the course of a scuffle, smashed the limb of another man with a club, he shall pay one mina of silver.
- If a man stealthily cultivates the field of another man and he raises a complaint, this is however to be rejected, and this man will lose his expenses.
They don’t care about ACTUAL history. They’re trying to defend themselves by shifting any criticism onto “the original lawgiver,” and knowing full well that most Americans get their history from church (and bad TV in a close second), they invoke God as a shield to do whatever awful injustices make them erect that week
How much is a Mina in pounds?
In today’s money? About 17p, or 21 US cents. Shocking, really. I’ve got a club because at that price, why wouldn’t you?
Religion terrifies me.
I used to be in one, and it was terrifying. I left.
This state government is the worst one I’ve ever seen. Filled with morons. They believe in fairy tales and magic. There is no voice of reason in that state house.
I used to live in that state. So glad I left, no fucking idea what I was doing there in the first place. Even Texas is better.
I live an work in Scotland, as part of our job we’re voluntold to speak to young people considering a trades apprenticeship. Last month was my turn, one of the kids was going for his welding ticket. His game plan was to immediately move to Texas. I told him there’s loads of places you’d be less likely to be shot considering how lippy he is.
Lots of work in that area in Texas though, with Air Products having a lot of plants in TX and AZ as well as the refineries.
But if he’s trying to get chemical plant work and not just construction, make sure they know how to weld pipe - something like being able to do a 6G position MIG weld with a TIG root on pipe should be absolutely required for anyone thinking about plant work or pipe fabrication.
Scotland is oil country sadly. A lot of the money that comes into small communities is from people going off to work the rigs. So I’m positive that that’s something they’d be taught.
large, easily readable font
Ah, but readable by whom? I have a bar code font here. If you can’t read it you’re clearly not nerd enough.
Also, putting the Ten Commandments in classrooms will only turn the kids into sarcastic, blasphemous little fellows. …I mean, more so than they already are.
Sure sure, easily readable by what definition? Under a microscope? From a distance? Only if you cross your eyes? All very easy to do.
large, easily readable font
Can it use large font characters from non-english languages?
Display them in Arabic.
This would never have survived scotus 5 years ago. Today I would not bet against them finding it constitutional
Lol, that’s exactly what I thought of too. Assuming https://legiscan.com/LA/text/HB71/2024 is correct I think my image fits the legal requirements.
It does specify specific text, but it doesn’t say I can’t add additional text.
Also it has to be easily readable.
Also it has to be easily readable.
That’s a tall order for a state that has a terrible education system.
Make it a comic then
I understood that
Daaaamn, dog. Louisiana is going to need to invest a lot of money into reforestation after that sick burn.
Ahhh! My eyes! 🙈
That’s painful to look at, I can’t agree that it’s easily readable
MY EYES!!! Bless you, internet denizen
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The Ten Crack Commandments? Didn’t know they were Biggie fans
The law specifies the exact text, so this won’t fly. Even using the other set of ten commandments in the Bible won’t fly.
I am looking forward to the lawsuits on 1A and how this functionally means they will have to display any list of religious rules or tenets requested. Nine Satanic Statements, the Seven Tenets of The Satanic Temple, the Noble Eightfold Path, etc, etc. We can turn their schools into a museum of comparative religion.
Don’t forget the Pastafarians and their noodly appendages
Nah, it’s the Ten Duel Commandments. Because everyone loves Hamilton.
NUMBER ONE.
The challenge, demand satisfaction
If they apologize, no need for further action
They’ll probably publish the abridged version, sadly. The full version reads, as we well know:
Thou shall not commit adultery but, if thou doest, thou shalt pay off the other woman so that it harmeth not thy chances in the presidential election. Nor shall it turn thy supporters against thee when they heareth of it.
Text is laid out in the law:
https://legis.la.gov/legis/ViewDocument.aspx?d=1379435
The Ten Commandments
I AM the LORD thy God.
Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Thou shalt not make to thyself any graven images.
Thou shalt not take the Name of the Lord thy God in vain.
Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Honor thy father and thy mother, that thy days may be long upon the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee.
Thou shalt not kill.
Thou shalt not commit adultery.
Thou shalt not steal.
Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.
Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor’s house.
Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor’s wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his cattle, nor anything that is thy neighbor’sAnd then there’s a context statement trying to pretend this is a foundational legal document of the United States.
Been a minute since I read these. It’s so telling that the actual crimes start at 6, and move to thought crimes at 9. The rest is god fluffing itself.
Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
I take it shops in Loiusiana will be closed on Saturday from now on as well as everyone being forbidden form working?
That excludes a lot from the biblical text.
The “no working on the sabbath” thing continues on to list that you also can’t make servants work on the sabbath - which would include the poor verbally abused waffle house staff working the Sunday brunch shift when the after church crowd comes in…
Something something Jesus invalidated that part.
Conviently forgetting that means Christianity explicitly does not consider these to be very important.
Thou shalt not kill.
no more capital punishment,
and if one sins, God will punish one’s children, grandchildren, and great-grandchildren.
Makes me wonder actually how badly this’ll backfire. Students are inevitably going to ask their teachers why death penalties exist or other things like this.
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Bible_(Tyndale)/Matthew#Chapter_19
24 And moreover I saye vnto you: it is easier for a camell to go through the eye of a nedle then for a ryche man to enter into the kyngdome of God.
😁🙂
There’s only like 2.5 of the ten commandments in U.S. law.
You forgot the most important line!
“Thou shalt use these commandments as the foundation of law in a country called the United States of America in the year 1776 after killing my son”
C’mon it’s so iconic
It should be in proper English: not these new interpretations—as if they could re-write the Bible—blasphemy! I say.
ws:Bible (Tyndale)/Exodus#Chapter 20
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Bible_(Tyndale)/Exodus#Chapter_20
1 And God spake all these wordes ad saide:
2 I am the Lorde thy God, which haue brought the out of the londe of Egipte ad out of the house of bondage.
3 Thou shalt haue none other goddes in my syght.
4 Thou shalt make the no grauen ymage, nether any symilitude that is in heauen aboue, ether in the erth beneth, or in the water that ys beneth the erth.
5 Se that thou nether bowe thy sylf vnto them nether serue them: for I the Lorde thy God, am a gelouse God, and viset the synne of the fathers vppon the childern vnto the third and fourth generacion of the that hate me:
6 and yet shewe mercie vnto thousandes amonge them that loue me and kepe my commaundmentes.
7 Thou shalt not take the name of the Lorde thy God in vayne, for the Lord wil not holde him giltlesse that taketh his name in vayne.
8 Remebre the Sabbath daye that thou sanctifie it.
9 Sixe dayes mayst thou laboure ad do al that thou hast to doo:
10 but the seuenth daye is the Sabbath of the Lorde thy God, in it thou shalt do no maner worke: nether thou nor thy sonne, nor thy doughter, nether thy manservaunte nor thy maydeservaunte, nether thy catell nether yet the straunger that is within thi gates
11 For in sixe dayes the Lorde made both heauen and erth and the see and all that in them is and rested the seuenth daye: wherfore the Lorde blessed the Sabbath daye and halowed it.
12 Honoure thy father ad thy mother, that thy dayes may be loge in the lode which the Lorde thy God geueth the.
13 Thou shalt not kyll.
14 Thou shalt not breake wedlocke.
15 Thou shalt not steale.
16 Thou shalt bere no false witnesse agest thy neghboure
17 Thou shalt not couet thy neghbours housse: nether shalt couet thy neghbours wife, his maservaunte, his mayde, his oxe, his asse or oughte that is his.
18 And all the people sawe the thunder ad the lyghteninge and the noyse of the horne, ad howe the mountayne smoked. And whe the people sawe it, they remoued ad stode a ferre of
This is clearly a rewrite, it should be in Hebrew
The Bible was actually written in three different ancient languages: Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek. While a modern version of each of these languages is spoken today, most modern readers of those languages would have some difficulty with the ancient versions used in the biblical texts.
