• cultsuperstar@lemmy.world
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    7 days ago

    But if crime declined, the poor private prison corporations would lose money, and that’s not a good thing. They wouldn’t be able to give judges kickbacks to sentence lesser crimes! Please, think of the poor private prison corporations!

    /s in case the sarcasm isn’t abundantly clear.

    • LarmyOfLone@lemm.ee
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      6 days ago

      I mean the first thing the federated mastadon did was ban the socialists to their own little corner. So even “on the left” what you said isn’t a joke, it’s deeply ingrained dogma.

  • Lord Wiggle@lemmy.world
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    6 days ago

    Yes, we did (The Netherlands). It really works! But sadly policies are changing, heading more towards the American system with privatization, where the gap between the rich 1% and the rest is increasing rapidly. But at least we’re still far away from the current American collapse.

  • Victor@lemmy.world
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    6 days ago

    The reason why punishment does not deter crime is because people who commit crimes usually do so because they are out of options, or were not given other options to begin with. So if you increase the severity of the punishment, you are merely making it more stressful for the people to commit the crimes, rather than deterring them.

    That’s my take. And I don’t have a damn criminology degree to come up with that. (Not to say it’s necessarily true, but it rings true to me.)

    • Zacryon@feddit.org
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      5 days ago

      That’s my take. And I don’t have a damn criminology degree to come up with that. (Not to say it’s necessarily true, but it rings true to me.)

      It’s good that you say that. There are occasions where what seems reasonable, really isn’t after investigating the issue.

      Regarding crime and punishment: First, I also don’t specialize in criminology, but I have read a bunch of scientific papers regarding the effect of severity of punishment on crime rates. From what I’ve gathered, more severe punishments usually do not reduce crime rates. A prominent example are death sentences, which virtually do nothing to reduce crime rates. Instead, the danger of being caught seems to be more effective.

      However, this does of course not encompass the causes of crime, which can be manifold. It’s not always stuff like the satifaction of basic needs. Take a look at big companies or rich individuals, who commit tax fraud for example. Or people who murder or harm others out of unstable emotions. Would you say they are out of options?

      But I don’t know about numbers and associated causes for crime in an average populace. It could be enlightening to take a look at that.

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        5 days ago

        Take a look at big companies or rich individuals, who commit tax fraud for example. Or people who murder or harm others out of unstable emotions. Would you say they are out of options?

        Definitely not, that’s why I made sure to say “usually”, because the number of crimes that require a lot of resources to begin with, and murders who occur due to mental illness are surely outnumbered by crimes that happen out of necessity, I imagine. I’d also like to see statistics on this. (And have the energy to study it, of course.)

  • Venator@lemmy.nz
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    5 days ago

    Lessening crime was never thier objective, it’s just a double speak in support of the prison system.

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      5 days ago

      Create conditions for “have nots” to be drawn to crime

      Arrest them

      Have a penal system that utilizes their labor

      ???

      MAGA Paradise

      What you people don’t understand is that this is the right wing plan to introduce neoslavery with extra steps. As they continue to gut the government and safeguards, they’re going to lean HARD into prison labor and detainment camp labor to replace migrant labor and working poor labor.

      It’s based on their percept that they’re superior and the people that end up here are subhuman, so they deserve to be slaves to enhance their supremacy.

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    6 days ago

    There is absolutely a direct correlation between crime and poverty.

    It’s just here in America we don’t care about that because crime is business.

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    7 days ago

    People who do try that get demonized as Enemies of Freedom. But it’s funny how much more free it feels when you don’t worry about medical bills making you homeless etc.

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    I’m not saying that lizard people control the world and that they actively feed upon our misery and create the conditions that make us the least happy, without breaking us so much that we destroy the system imprisoning us in retribution…

    But if there were what would they be doing differently?

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    7 days ago

    There’s truth in that to a degree. But so long as mass media can stir the pot and create public anxiety where none existed before, even a strong egalitarian economic model is insufficient to deter interpersonal violence.

    Americans bombarded by “Shoplifter Alert!” and “Murder Spree!” and “Rape Gangs Terrorizing Your Neighborhood!” news coverage are going to be deeply suspicious of anyone they don’t recognize (and more than a few they do recognize). People will lash out in fits of paranoia and induced terror, then claim self-defense against their victims. And if we’ve instilled a legitimacy to this fear in the general public, they’ll get away with it.