PBS/CNN stream:
Holy shit this is hard to watch.
I hear you. All you hear about is how incoherent Biden is… Bullshit. He comes across as articulate and knowledgeable here. Trump hasn’t said anything at all yet. He just keeps spouting idiotic generalizations about how bad the state of the country is without any examples or proof.
Calling Biden articulate is being incredibly generous. I mean, what on earth was he trying to communicate here?
Overall, Biden put in a very lackluster, unconvincing performance while Trump did his usual schtick of rambling off topic, lying through his teeth, and refusing to answer any questions on policy. The whole thing was a shambles.
Don’t forget the oughtright lies.
No, it’s hard to watch because Biden needs to clear his throat and keeps drifting off.
Trump keeps not answering questions and lying and dodging.
It’s all around pathetic.
One guy is slightly hoarse.
The other is a delusional fascist.
So basically both sides the same.
I didn’t say they were the same. That’s a weird thing to say. I said they were both pathetic.
Because they both are.
I hear you. All you hear about is how incoherent Biden is… Bullshit
…
During a response to a question about abortion, Biden mentioned, seemingly out of nowhere, a young woman who was recently murdered by an immigrant — an apparent reference to a 12-year-old Houston girl who was strangled to death, allegedly by two Venezuelan men who entered the country illegally.
The connection to abortion was unclear.
I tried, twice. Fuck it, it’s just unbearable.
Didn’t they say there would be live fact checking?
Sigh.
It might be live on the CNN site? I’m watching the PBS stream on Youtube since the CNN embed video refuses to load and kept crapping out.
I watched the CNN stream on YouTube and there was no fact checking.
Q: Will you accept the results of the election, regardless of who wins?
Trump: “…and all they want to talk about is a relatively small number of people who went to the capitol”
So far, he’s twice refused to answer the question.
biden sounds like shit, but hes got all the right words. hes made a few mistakes hes quickly fixed, but no giant mistakes and lots of details.
trump is doin what trump does… throw a wall of lies loudly
I don’t know, I’m for sure voting Biden, but I can’t say he’s doing great. He’s doing a little better when he’s getting riled, but he sounds old - more than three years older than Trump.
agreed, but if you imagine those words in print, its very obvious biden knows whats hes talking about.
the morals of an alley cat!
Oh, for sure. And I’ve worked with enough really sharp older people to know their words can get flubbed up when they’re on the spot when even though their brains are sharp.
It’s been shown the office ages you. But not Trump because he never took the office seriously.
Yep, agreed. Trump doesn’t take anything seriously except bilking anyone he can.
Is there a video on how to unsee the debate?
“Their taking Black jobs, and their taking Hispanic jobs …”
“What exactly is a Black or Hispanic job Mr. Trump?” should have been the follow up on that one.
He’s just adding “black” to his earlier immigrant fear mongering spiel. He spewed the exact same thing to an earlier question, but he just added “black” jobs and “Hispanic” jobs to that version.
I think it’s a bit of a dog whistle as well.
Someone on his staff told him he needs to appeal to black and Hispanic voters. So his usual rhetoric changes from “They’re coming here and stealing American jobs!” to “They’re coming here and stealing Black jobs and Hispanic jobs!”
This is the maximum level of nuance Trump can handle.
Biden stumbled and lost the tread in the opening minutes but is doing well now.
Trump is doing a good job at being Trump. Pretty tired of him ignoring the question and talking about whatever he likes and the moderator letting him.
What even is the point of this debate? They’ve both had a term in office. We know how both of them actually govern the actual country. What can this debate possibly convey that the past 8 years of governance hasn’t?
Whatever the point was, it’s a very sad show. Trump is a liar and Biden can’t string a sentence together.
We’re all fucked.
Yep, thats my impression as well so far.
Trump is confidently blazing through (what should be) obvious lies, while Biden is mumbling and forgetting what he is trying to say half way through saying it.
Yeah, he’s getting blasted by a firehose of bullshit. Though he seems to be getting pissed off, and that seems to be helping.
I dont know why, but moderates keep acting like charisma doesn’t matter.
They just keep repeating that money is what matters, because they’re good at taking money from people they shouldnt. But they’re bad at getting votes, people just don’t like them. Partly because of what they do for that money.
Someone down voted you but I can’t imagine why. I desperately want Biden to win but he looks like shit out there. Trump, meanwhile, is confidently spouting whatever horseshit pops into his head (even had the fucking gall to call Biden a criminal). Half the government is gleefully destroying the country and the other half is letting them. I honestly don’t see a way forward for this country. I don’t like to be a cynic but I cannot imagine a scenario where the next four years aren’t an absolute clusterfuck.
Best case scenario is both Biden and Trump dropping
Best part about hiding votes is I never care what anyone thinks! ;)
Huh?
The Lemmy App Voyager allows me to hide the visibility of up and down votes. So, I can’t see what the number is… it makes social networking much nicer.
It’s actually painful to watch.
Yeah. I had to turn it off. I’ll be surprised if Biden wins after this.
Ok. Now how do I unwatch it?
Trump once again confirmed support for Isreal accelerating the genocide - if you think there’s no difference between their policy on Palestine, you’re arguing in bad faith.
https://apnews.com/live/presidential-debate-2024-updates
The conflict between the Israelis and Palestinians is an especially vulnerable spot for Biden. With only 26% of U.S. adults approving of his handling of the issue, it’s well below his overall approval rating (39%). In the latest AP-NORC poll, nearly 6 in 10 Democrats disapprove of his approach to the conflict
trump is worse than Biden, and only 26% agree with Biden…
You don’t think it’s worth talking about when a foreign country buys off both parties in a two party system so that no matter what happens their interests (in this case a genocide) would be protected and funded?
You don’t see how this could be happening to a lesser extent in other areas like banking, healthcare, employment, and even social issues that religions care about?
Carl’s Jr and Hardee’s are also two different things, but two things don’t have to be absolutely identical to be compared to each other. If they were, we wouldn’t be comparing them because they would be the same.
I think that’s what you’re missing and why you’re accusing people of arguing in bad faith.
You just don’t understand the point they’re making, but you think you do.
Oh, I absolutely agree they’re both pretty awful, but one is significantly worse. I fully support putting pressure on both candidates to be better, but the American political system means one of these people will be the next president and if you care about Palestinians its important to make sure that’s Biden.
Oh, I absolutely agree they’re both pretty awful, but one is significantly worse.
We’re talking about genocide tho…
We’re asking people to support “some” genocide, and that “some” is actually quite a fucking lot of genocide.
And we’re not just asking Americans to overlook that, we’re asking young Dem voters to overlook it. A demographic who historically doesn’t like that shit going back for pretty much the entire existence of the party.
It makes absolutely zero sense except if the party as an entity wants to be as conservative as possible so when the nation has such a serious risk as trump, instead of the easy win of a candidate dem.voters want, we get someone significantly more conservative than the party, 82 years old, and uncharismatic.
It’s like someone at the DNC bet on winning, but not to cover the spread. So they’re trying to win by the smallest majority possible.
Our system of government means one of these two assholes will be the next president. Do you want three helpings of genocide or two? It’s going to be one of those outcomes so do you have the courage to say less genocide is desirable?
You’re acting like convincing me means anything…
Biden needs to convince 10s of millions of people. Politicians like Obama and Bill Clinton could do that, but they were charismatic in addition to being the lesser of two evils.
It just makes zero sense to be running Biden.
If all that matters is beating trump, why force a candidate that supports genocide? Why is it ok for Dems if trump is worse? Why not at least someone that people like and is a good speaker?
Like, you understand someone slightly less bad as trump is still pretty fucking bad?
Where do you draw the line if you’ll support “some” genocide?
If it was trump VS Mitch McConnell who would you vote for? Would you finally realize it’s the parties that need voters, not voters that need parties?
Here’s the bad news - the primary is over. Administratively, if we switched Democratic candidates now there would be immense voter confusion and democrats would end up splitting the vote between the two.
The only way out of this is if Biden literally dies before the election, and I think that’s highly unlikely.
In terms of supporting genocide, America is going to genocide and part of being a responsible voter is making the least awful choice.
Here’s the bad news - the primary is over
It’s not tho.
The convention is the end of the primary.
Biden appointed Jamie Harrison to the head of the DNC.
And Jamie Harrison set the convention for mid August.
If you don’t like it, go complain to them. But they picked when the primary was over.
“You have the morals of an alley cat” 😂
Is it my imagination or are they moderators letting Trump go on while cutting Biden off most of the time?
I wish Biden would slow down, he’s getting flustered and can’t seem to find his words. Trump is just acting like it’s a rally, saying whatever the hell he wants and making shit up. This is ridiculous.
The moderation seems like the best since at least Obama was running.
It’s gotten better, and I agree. I’m really happy about them turning off the mics. But I still think they’re letting Trump ramble more than Biden.
MAGA bullied the moderators with threats of violence to prevent them from pushing back on Trump’s lies. Looks like it worked, they didn’t say jack shit.
CNN also made a big deal about live fact checking and did none of it during the debate. Corporate oligarchs licking their chops at the potential tax cuts with a 2nd Trump term, dictatorial ambitions be damned.
Oh my god, Trump just said “I’ve never seen anybody lie like this guy” and he wasn’t pointing at himself.
I really liked the part where he was trying to assure people that he probably, mayyyybe wouldn’t die in office, and ended by saying “We knock on wood wherever we may have wood” lmfao
Trump’s lies have gotten so over the top. We’re like two steps away from him saying he was one of the guys who walked on the moon.
And his cult will believe it.
Trump claimed that his “Both sides” quote from Charlottesville was false… like, you’re literally on tape asshat.
The claim is he didn’t call white supremacists and neo nazis fine people, just, you know, regular racists who happened to be at a rally planned by the white supremacists and neo nazis. Which is totally better.
Snopes oddly released a “this is false” on that a few days ago.
Edit, found the link: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-very-fine-people/
holy shit that jan 6 question just dropped and as soon as trump started talking bullshit, biden just looked so so annoyed and pained lol
Trump has just flat out refused to answer several questions… the moderators have brought questions back a few time - I don’t think Dana just saying “that’s a lie” would be productive but I think Trump’s evasion got well highlighted.
Worst debate in United States history.
A lot of people are saying that. My staff told me that just before I came out here as a matter of fact. History’s worst debate in the history of the world. A lot of people are saying that.
