• Knightfox@lemmy.oneEnglish
    1·
    2 hours ago

    I’m preparing for a new computer build and I have some questions. I’m feeling really scorned by Windows 11 and its incompatibility with my current hardware as well as the overall sense of that my privacy is being invaded. I’m not super familiar with linux, but I have messed around with various distros.

    The build I’m planning to put together will likely use an AMD processor, but I’m uncertain about the GPU (definitely AMD or Nvidia). With my current build, RX 480 and i5-6500 I have found that in recent years I get massive artifacts in relatively old games such as Planetside 2 and Path of Exile (I also play Magic Arena quite a bit, but haven’t experienced any issues there). I even get screen tearing when watching youtube or amazon prime. It’s possible that my card is just dying, but considering that I don’t consistently see these issues across multiple applications I feel like it might be a driver issue.

    I’d really like feedback and to know more about Linux gaming (especially with the games mentioned) as well as experience with AMD, Nvidia, and Intel hardware.

    Thanks to anyone who responds.

    • Petter1@lemm.ee
      1·
      2 hours ago

      For me, nvidia with proprietary drivers works great, just make sure to have correct dependency packages installed for vulcan etc. (should just work in most distros if their recommended way of installing nvidia drivers is used)

  • ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world
    101·
    7 hours ago

    IDK, but I more often had issues with installing apps to Linux than to Windows, usually dependency-hell related ones, but once I had trouble enabling snap on Linux Mint.

  • madcaesar@lemmy.world
    224·
    8 hours ago

    When you make fun of something that really isn’t an issue it just makes your side look worse. Windows has real problems, but installing shit ain’t it.

    My dad can install anything on windows with clicks, he can’t do shit with a terminal.

    I’m a power user and love GUIs. I’ll use git desktop all day everyday, instead of typing shit in a command line. It’s one button press vs typing paths and hoping you don’t misspell shit.

    I don’t really get the whole command line fetish, there are no extra points in life for doing things the harder way.

    • redditReallySucks@lemmy.dbzer0.com
      3·
      2 hours ago

      Ah, yes. I also love it when I search for firefox on my new PC with Edge (without adblocker) and get sponsored malware in the results.

      I still use windows but I think installing software on Linux is way more convenient. Especially with the AUR.

    • Eyck_of_denesle@lemmy.zip
      21·
      6 hours ago

      Yay -S app is hard? Or apt install app? Or flatpak?

      Being used to a habit doesnt make the habit the default way. Humans adapt quickly.

    • thevoidzero@lemmy.world
      12·
      5 hours ago

      A simple analogy is, would you rather have keyboard with a-z and symbols you can use to build words/sentences, or would you want a wordlist you can scroll and click, while expanding words in groups, and having to find non-frequent words with a lot of difficulty to make up sentences.

      Command line use is harder if you come from gui. But the main use case of command line are:

      • automation: anything you can do in a command line, can be copied in a script,
      • uniformity: every software now has almost the same format of use,
      • flexibility: gui almost always has less options than command line, and many times options are hidden within a lot of tabs and options.
      • Auto complete: whenever someone complains about terminal being hard to use and spelling mistakes I think about this. I think many people that come from GUI don’t know about auto-completion on terminal. It’s easy to see which options are available, easy to choose files, wildcards for multiple files, and all that
      • piping: command line allows you to chain one command with another. You have a command to list all your music files, chain that with a search command to search files within them. Now if you need to search in a python code, you use the same search command, just different command to read the file. You basically have lego blocks (old ones) that can be used to make anything.

      I can understand people being afraid of command line when they start, but I think many people come with biases and don’t use good terminal and other tools to make things easier.

    • bradd@lemmy.worldEnglish
      33·
      7 hours ago

      Power users are just regular users with an ego.

      GUI is like fast food, sure you can eat it and enjoy it, and you will live to see another day, but it’s inferior in every way to everything else. The real problem is that people start acting like fast food is the default food and start looking at people who eat raw or cook their own food or pay for food at a restaurant as being full of themselves.

      There are countless real advantages to CLI over GUI, but allowing people to use their computer effectively by fumbling around isn’t one of them.

  • coherent_domain@infosec.pubEnglish
    41·
    5 hours ago

    I think mixing app and system dependencies is a bad idea, and Linux desktop is still fighting that.

    When all the apps on a consumer laptop is expected to depend on the same dependencies, the system likely run into dependency hell, which means many apps needs to be downgraded in order to keep older apps working.

    This mixture of system dependency and app dependency also prevents users to use the the latest version of an app on a hyper stable base system.

    Flatpak basically aim to solve this problem, where each app chooses their own dependencies, so you don’t need to downgrade all your app just because one app depends on python 2.7.

  • Gestrid@lemmy.caEnglish
    21·
    19 hours ago

    I can’t remember the last time I got a DLL error on my Windows laptop, honestly. I don’t think that’s ever happened on my current computer.

    • gigachad@sh.itjust.works
      11·
      13 hours ago

      I got one on my work laptop this week. It’s controlled by a shitty management software that is used by our IT, but still.

  • tehn00bi@lemmy.world
    15·
    21 hours ago

    Been using Linux off and on since 2003-ish. I remember the days of having to compile applications and having to download various dependencies. Linux now is so streamlined and easy. Minus gentoo.

  • thermal_shock@lemmy.worldEnglish
    27·
    1 day ago

    Edge (Microsoft browser) thinks the Microsoft Teams exe installer FROM MICROSOFT SERVER is malware, no joke.

    • Zink@programming.dev
      141·
      21 hours ago

      Eh, Windows complaints tend to get pretty hyperbolic much of the time. It’s slow and annoying but I’ve always worked with it

      But the description of the Linux update process matches my experience with mint, pretty much. I even use the GUI update utility because it will put a little icon in the bottom corner of the screen. It’s quick even if I’m using a program that’s going an update, and if the kernel gets updated it’s just like “hey remember to reboot buddy!”

    • needanke@feddit.org
      82·
      1 day ago

      Besides missing dependencies or repositories for more nice software this kinda closely matches my experience though.

      (Ignoring winget, becaust it is not really the mainstream way to install windows software)

      What is your specific issue with this?

        • needanke@feddit.org
          131·
          1 day ago

          I still (have to) download scetchy executables on Windows when I want to install most programms, while on debian I can install most programs via apt and a few repositories. Even when it’s not a standard repo I still prefer it over random executables because while the security is just as bad at least I get updates without having to open the program itself.

          But what resonated with me most have been the restarts for updates. Happened way to often that I wanted to stop working but cant just shut down windows without updates and the accompanying reboots. (If I don’t check up in between to decrypt the disk on startups it’ll just sit there and run out the battery and I have to do the restarts on the next workday). On debian I just klick the power button, it hibernates (or I shut it down if I’m in the mood) and os updates are completely seperate from that.

          • frayedpickles@lemmy.cafeEnglish
            113·
            1 day ago

            What sketchy executables are you downloading?

            What makes downloading steam from valve more sketchy than allowing a Linux repo to run arbitrary code as root on your machine for every single one of thousands of pieces of software maintained by strangers?

            • iopq@lemmy.world
              31·
              15 hours ago

              I remember going to source forge to download MPC-BE

              Later found out that they were adding adware to executables

    • Shardikprime@lemmy.world
      32·
      1 day ago

      Literally

      My desktop/laptop experience for both is as follows:

      Windows update, at least since the inception of the concept has never required me to go to a browser (unless you count w98 “everything is a website” concept for the desktop or the far in between instances were a PC was offline/having issues and you need to download update packages)

      It also updated windows applications (ie office) but yeah it never intended to upgrade other stuff, all other software had their own auto update check

      I’ll concede the restart because yeah it does all for that

      But yeah Linux install is not without issues, and I’ll just remind everyone of how difficult it was/is to install a component driver when it’s not automatically found (wifi cards, disk controllers, and Realtek drivers anyone?)

      Yeah it does update your apps, as long as you have the repos, and restart wise I distinctively remember that you do need to do restarts after updates, be it major distro or not.

      Simple commands? I’ll concede that, as long as we remember the average Linux user is used to a less user friendly experience. Complain ask you want but for the average user, windows update experience works

      Thankfully I don’t need to deal with all that stuff now

  • frayedpickles@lemmy.cafeEnglish
    17·
    1 day ago

    What the actual fuck are you smoking?

    At least update this meme to the 2010s if you won’t go to the 2020s

        • Final Remix@lemmy.world
          1·
          7 hours ago

          What? An OS install isn’t the same as installing / uninstalling something. Xp, 7, 10… I don’t restart when installing shit.

      • TheOakTree@lemm.ee
        73·
        1 day ago

        Only thing I can think of is installations that include drivers. And even then, not all of them.

            • Saik0@lemmy.saik0.comEnglish
              22·
              1 day ago

              If you kill explorer.exe manually it doesn’t respawn. You have to star the process yourself again.

              Unless something changed in the past year.

                • Saik0@lemmy.saik0.comEnglish
                  32·
                  19 hours ago

                  No. It’s not. I spun up a vm and killed explorer.exe. How long should I be waiting? Cause I"m several minutes in and explorer hasn’t restarted itself yet. Also tested it on my VR computer (only non-linux physical machine in the house).

                  Here I’ll even stream it for you. <removed>. I kill the process at basically 16:00(MST) it’s been 5 minutes now and the stream is going.

                  Edit: Over 19 minutes now… Still waiting for it to restart…

                  Edit2: Over an hour now… Still waiting for it to automatically restart. BTW the machine is windows 11. Latest patch/update.

                  Edit3: pulling the stream. Ran it for over 4 hours. The point is proven. It doesn’t restart itself.

  • twinnie@feddit.uk
    10415·
    1 day ago

    Let’s not cherrypick scenarios to try and pretend Linux is easier than Windows. Most normal people are nervous interacting with a GUI pop-up that gives them two options, never mind putting them into a terminal window where they could seriously fuck up their machine. What about clicking the download link on a webpage, clicking next a few times and having them software on your machine, compared to having to build something from GitHub (how many people here have never had to do that?).

    • Avatar_of_Self@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1·
      6 hours ago

      Compiling from GitHub is cherry picking the worst case especially for “most normal people” and frankly they should be using the software store GUI in their DE to install and update software with nice easy buttons to click.

      Frankly software management for a normal person generally is easier on Linux than it is on Windows for stuff made to run on Linux.

      But don’t worry someone will respond with nvidia’s shitty proprietary drivers.

    • iopq@lemmy.world
      3·
      14 hours ago

      Most normal people only ever use the browser. Even image or video editing is niche for the average person

    • Farid@startrek.website
      481·
      1 day ago

      This applies to pretty much all “Linux good, Win/MacOS bad” memes. I just assume that people either aren’t really serious about them and it’s just tongue in cheek, or they don’t have any contact with regular people.

      I used to work as a(n assistant to the) sysadmin and the things I got called over never stopped to amaze. For instance, there was a case when software was updated on the work machines and I got called because some lady couldn’t use Adobe Acrobat. “It is asking me something, I don’t know what”. I come over and it’s just a TOS Accept/Decline window.

      Some people do not understand computers to an extent that they can lock up in a state of confusion when a button has been moved 100px in any direction from its usual position.

      • Ofiuco@lemmy.cafeEnglish
        14·
        1 day ago

        or they don’t have any contact with regular people.

        This gets my vote, the memes are so disconnected from reality they feel forced and not funny

        • oo1@lemmings.worldEnglish
          11·
          10 hours ago

          Naah, i think they’re just ragebaiting all the MS fanboys.

          It works too judging by all the shit in this forum.

          The meme isn’t funny; but some of the reactions it provokes are hilarious. Though some of them are obviously counter-ragebait too. “Akshually i never have to restart to update windows since 2008”. :)

    • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
      283·
      1 day ago

      Most normal people are nervous interacting with a GUI pop-up that gives them two options, never mind putting them into a terminal window where they could seriously fuck up their machine

      Maybe this is a problem that we should be addressing, rather than just making technology more of a black box, and raising generations of people who have no fucking concept of how any of it works.

      • Exec@pawb.social
        9·
        1 day ago

        and raising generations of people who have no fucking concept of how any of it works

        Only two generations were got to be technologically literate.

        • KSP Atlas@sopuli.xyz
          11·
          1 day ago

          Greatest and Silent generations helped create computing, Boomers helped create important software such as DOS, Gen X and Millennials helped develop the Web, Gen Z is still going into computing and development jobs and Gen Alpha is too young to consider

    • aski3252@lemmy.world
      221·
      1 day ago

      Unless you have a system without a GUI, you don’t need to open a terminal in order to update or install stuff. There is a GUI for that. And no, you don’t need to build stuff from GitHub for normal user stuff…

      • sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz
        11·
        16 hours ago

        Not using the terminal is like buying a race car and not using the higher gears. I mean, you can, but what’s the fucking point?

        • RisingSwell@lemmy.dbzer0.com
          2·
          11 hours ago

          I have a lot more fun in my performance car avoiding the top gears, actually. Like after 3rd im already losing my licence on the spot and getting bent over by the law, higher gears are just that but worse.

      • Noobnarski@lemmy.world
        412·
        1 day ago

        I tried that on linux, it doesn’t work if you want to do more than browse the web and other basic stuff.

        You can do some seriously advanced stuff on windows using only GUIs

        • aski3252@lemmy.world
          62·
          1 day ago

          We were talking about normal user stuff that normal users do, not “seriously advanced stuff”… And I agree that most normal users probably don’t want to use terminals because they are not familiar with them. But normal users probably don’t and shouldn’t do “seriously advanced stuff”, no?

          Yes, if you are trying to do “serously advanced stuff” (whatever that means), chances are you will probably need a terminal (or a terminal will at least be easier), but you shouldn’t be doing “seriously advanced stuff” unless you know what you are doing anyway…

          • Noobnarski@lemmy.world
            43·
            1 day ago

            I just wanted to install steam, but it wasn’t in the package manager list.

            Then I tried apt-get and that didnt work, I forgot why.

            You don’t have to do seriously advanced stuff on linux to run into issues without using the terminal.

            My point was, even if you actually do some advanced stuff on windows you still don’t have to use the terminal.

            It’s not realistic that you don’t have to use the terminal on linux if you want to do any more than web browsing and some text editing, etc.

            That doesn’t mean that linux is bad, but let’s be realistic about what it is.

            • Avatar_of_Self@lemmy.worldEnglish
              1·
              6 hours ago

              To install Steam on most distros with popular DE’s, you click the software store to open the software store. If Steam isn’t listed in the front page then just click the search box and start typing Steam.

              When you see it, click the install button.

              When it is done open it by clicking the Open button or pressing the Windows (or Super) key and type Steam. Click it when you see it.

            • zalgotext@sh.itjust.works
              62·
              1 day ago

              That experience is highly dependent on the Linux distro you’re using. Steam comes preinstalled on gaming-centric distros like Nobara or Pop!_OS. More “general purpose” distros like Mint or Ubuntu might require adding an apt repository before you can install steam from their GUI package managers, but adding an apt repo can be easily accomplished with a GUI as well.

              Basically, if there’s no guide for installing steam for a given distro, or the process of installing steam is more than a couple easy steps, that specific distro probably isn’t well suited to run steam.

            • Tin@lemmy.worldEnglish
              41·
              1 day ago

              Weird, I would expect Steam to be in the Ubuntu repos (assuming that’s what you were using, since you mention apt), but maybe not. As for apt, or apt-get, they are just the terminal equivalent of the GUI package manager (synaptic? it’s been a minute since I ran ubuntu), so if something isn’t in the repos, apt at the terminal won’t find it either. If it’s not in the repos, you should be able to download and install steam from the website just like you would in windows. It gives you a .deb file which will launch just like an executable installer in Ubuntu. But to your point, yes, sometimes things in linux take a little extra thinking to get to work. Getting accustomed to the way Linux works can help overcome hiccups like this. Windows has many quirks as well, it’s just that if you use WIndows often you know your way around them.

    • IHateReddit@lemmy.world
      181·
      1 day ago

      been using linux for a few years both on servers and my pc and I never had to build sth myself

    • fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.comEnglish
      132·
      1 day ago

      Let’s also not conflate “ease” with historical behavior.

      Taking previous experience out of the equation, it is easier to type apt upgrade and reboot to update your entire system than to click through 300 times in the system and multiple apps with reboots.

      That is a fact.

    • babybus@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      134·
      1 day ago

      Let’s not cherrypick scenarios to try and pretend Linux is easier than Windows. Most normal people are…

      Let’s not cherry pick users then. I don’t care about your normal users. My experience is better on Linux.

    • Ooops@feddit.org
      71·
      1 day ago

      Most normal people are nervous interacting with a GUI pop-up that gives them two options

      Sadly no. They should be nervous if it’s about making changes to their system. In reality however Windows conditioned them to just click the button labeled “Yes” or “Okay” without even reading the pop-up in the first place.

  • tsugu@slrpnk.net
    364·
    1 day ago

    Open terminal

    See whether the app is in my distro’s repos, flathub, or snapcraft (It’s not)

    Go on the internet, search up the app’s name

    Download the AppImage (might be a virus)

    LibFuse2 is not installed (fuck me)

    Install LibFuse2

    Install Gearlever to integrate AppImage into my desktop

    I can finally launch the app

    • lseif@sopuli.xyz
      71·
      13 hours ago

      > doesn’t use arch/nix

      “why cant i find my package in the repos?”

      • frayedpickles@lemmy.cafeEnglish
        52·
        1 day ago

        Ah yes, downloading builds from unvetted third parties and running their installers as root. Truly the Linux way.

          • jim3692@discuss.online
            2·
            12 hours ago

            People can also use the Nix package manager on any distro, and run their apps using nix-shell, so that they don’t need to install as root.

        • lseif@sopuli.xyz
          41·
          20 hours ago

          and this is different to windows how …?

          u do realize that u can (and should) read the PGKBUILD file? and check the git url which it’s cloning. or check the sha if its a binary package.

    • bamboo@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
      111·
      1 day ago

      Fuck, I hate AppImages so much. Never heard of gearlever, thanks i hope this helps a lot.

      Edit: Ok Gearlever is pretty great! Now I can finally open Heroic normally. That pissed me off for so long.

    • stetech@lemmy.world
      05·
      1 day ago

      Even if that’s needed, you can update apps w/o reboot usually (when sandboxed), and move opened files around (seriously wtf, Windows)…

      • tsugu@slrpnk.net
        51·
        1 day ago

        When the hell would I need to update my Windows because of an app update? I only restart when there is a system update, which you have to do on Linux too if you want your kernel to stay up to date.

        • stetech@lemmy.world
          31·
          1 day ago

          Well, it was what happened the last time I touched Windows in ‘22 (for work) – maybe a policy thing that a corporate app had elevated access and that’s why it forced a reboot on me for (some of the) “regular” app updates?

            • stetech@lemmy.world
              2·
              1 day ago

              Good to challenge misconceptions regularly, so thank you! :D

              On that topic… I assume not being able to move opened files (my “go-to” use case was a PDF in Acrobat) is still unfixed though, right? Seems like that’d require a major OS and applications change to be made possible.

              • frayedpickles@lemmy.cafeEnglish
                2·
                1 day ago

                Why would you want to mv, not cp, a file that is actively opened by a file system. Is that even possible on Linux? I could swear I’m regularly blocked from manipulating things with open file descriptors.

                • stetech@lemmy.world
                  1·
                  17 hours ago

                  Like tsugu said. Have a file open for editing or whatever and realizing you’d like it to go into another directory. Of course you could just wait until you’re done and then move, or close, move and re-open… but that’s less convenient (e.g. throwing away current file’s edit history) and/or a risk of forgetting to actually do it, at least for me, lol.

                  Not sure about Linux, but I grew up on Unix (macOS), which forces applications (at least GUI based ones, CLI apps do whatever they want) to be able to deal with this, so that’s why I expected Windows to be able to do that as well. Alas…

              • tsugu@slrpnk.net
                2·
                1 day ago

                That I can confirm. Windows won’t let me move files if any app is using them. I sometimes do it by accident when I’m editin an office document, realize it’s in the wrong folder so I try to drag it to Documents. That won’t work. But I got used to it pretty quickly.

  • EmperorHenry@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
    32·
    16 hours ago

    get an antivirus that actually works and then use either policy plus or group policy to delay windows updates

    Delay feature updates by 365 days

    Delay quality updates by 30 days

    semi-annual channel

    Disable preview builds

    then use O&O shutup10 ++ to disable the bullshit and you’re golden.

    • x00z@lemmy.worldEnglish
      21·
      6 hours ago

      “Here have this brand new house!!”

      “But you still have to smack down a few walls, disable the cameras we added, find a way to go trough your door without having your anus print registered with us, and keep us from moving your furniture to our warehouse, all for your convenience ofcourse.”

      As soon as I realized that Microsoft laughs at people trying to harden Windows I switched to Linux and never looked back. Microsoft doesn’t care about you hardening it and they don’t care about cracked versions in the slightest. You’re a statistic with an advertisement in your home and you’ll still be making money for them.

      • EmperorHenry@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
        1·
        39 minutes ago

        You’re a statistic with an advertisement in your home and you’ll still be making money for them.

        They’ve not making any money off me after the first sale. I have an ad-blocking DNS in my router and a system-wide adblocker on every PC I have

      • dan@upvote.au
        2·
        22 hours ago

        You need to update a bunch of separate things on Linux too, though. For example, apt or dnf, rpms and debs that aren’t in a repo (although Deb-get handles some of those), Flatpak, Snap, fwupd for firmware, plus language-specific things (npm, dotnet, cargo, Python, etc). At least the UIs handle a lot of it now.

        • iopq@lemmy.world
          4·
          14 hours ago

          That’s why I use NixOS. 100,000 packages so you really found something niche if it didn’t have it

    • frayedpickles@lemmy.cafeEnglish
      4·
      1 day ago

      Winget-ui is great, except Microsoft hasn’t figured out to conceptually make two installs of the same product get treated the same – absolutely pathetic that if you install VLC from their website you can never ever ever use Winget VLC without uninstalling the other.