Technically it’s for any printer capable of printing a firearm or the components of a firearm, which is…. every printer. What a bafflingly stupid proposal. If you’re in NY, please call your reps and tell them to oppose this bill.
Surely it would be much easier to require checks to buy ammunition.
As a 2nd amendment loving American, I cosign your idea. I’m fine with getting a license to purchase more ammo.
However, I’ll make my own before I pay extortion prices.
As people told me yesterday, apparently my state (California) already does that.
Luigi had no background to check.
This is pure flail.
If you’re european and ask yourself why 3D printed guns are such an issue in the US: It’s not because entire guns are easy to print (or printable at all), It’s because of their idiotic gun laws: in the US, the only controlled part is the receiver or frame, which often enough is made of plastic anyway, while the most important part -the barrel- is freely obtainable.
Germany has a similar law, except that every part of the gun is controlled.
Luigi would have passed a background check.
And didn’t even use his own printer (according to his confession/manifesto)…
was it even printed in new york? I mean im sure someone would never bring one in from jersey.
Everything is legal in New Jersey.
Why do you print like you’re running out of time?
Unexpected Hamilton ❤️
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new york will do anything but fix actual problems lmao
My guy, you got to look at it from the bigger perspective, the whole country will do anything buy fix actual problems
It fixed congestion.
We’ll see if that sticks, or if annoying rich car people get the reforms repealed. Hochul certainly seems pliable.
Rich car people will take it as the cost of doing business and have the roads to themselves like they wanted.
That’s actually ok. As long as it stops congestion and improves safety. That is the whole point.
Again. This bill was introduced last year, by the same person, and it died at the time because of some grassroots actions. Now, the wording is slightly different (so it can be introduced again as a “different” bill), and it’s being tried again.
Oh boy can’t wait for them to ban two pipes that fit inside each other and a nail.
What about a bunch of stepper motor and some plastic. Do I need a background check for that?
Well, everyone knows only main boards have a serial number, so you need a permit for that. But the rest is a spare part, you can get it freely.
/s
This is second time they trying to pass this bullshit. 2023 https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/bills/2023/A8132
Oh don’t worry, there will be a third. And a fourth. And a… Well, more and more until it passes
It only has to pass once
Political hackers.
The people have to be successful every time, but the political hackers have to successful just once.
Im making a charcoal foundry. You gonna card me for briquettes bitchboy?
Make a community with a dude that makes potassium and another dude that makes sulfur and then you can really make things go off
- FOR PURPOSES OF THIS SECTION, “THREE-DIMENSIONAL PRINTER” MEANS A COMPUTER OR COMPUTER-DRIVEN MACHINE OR DEVICE CAPABLE OF PRODUCING A THREE-DIMENSIONAL OBJECT FROM A DIGITAL MODEL
Well, that’s a broad definition. I guess to whomever wrote that, a CNC mill is also a 3d printer.
It’s not like inkjets produce 2 dimensional ink. I’d love to see someone argue in court that it’s technically impossible to create a non 3d printer
I’m pretty sure there are actual industrial multicolor 3d printers that use an inkjet design
Well achtually…To be pedantic,
A 3D consumer grade printer is not a true 3D tool since it can only move on 2 axis simultaneously. If you watch your printer closely, as it finishes it’s path around the xy plane, there is a tiny halt as it changes active plane from the xy plane to xz plane, lifts the nozzle, then flips the active back to the xy to go along it’s merry way again to lay down the new layer. And no, the hot new scarf joint is still a single plane movement. Sometimes such machines are incorrectly referred to as 2 1/2 axis because they aren’t true 3 axis.
Source: I’m an old retired toolmaker. Trust me Bro.
There is vase mode, which lifts the Z axis gradually while printing. This creates one continuous extrusion for the whole print.
That still isn’t a true 3D move.
How so? It literally moves in 3 dimensions at the same time.
A CNC mill seems much more capable of manufacturing firearms than some 300 buck printer.
Not really.
There are gun parts that just can’t be printed in plastic (reliably. There are proof of concept “all plastic except the firing pin” guns). But… because of how lobbyists tainted what few gun control laws we have, most of what makes a gun a gun CAN be printed and the rest can be bought as after market parts. That is why an incredibly common “ghost gun” is basically “print this and then go buy this replacement barrel and this baggy of parts to repair a glock”.
Whereas a mill is great for those metal parts and you can theoretically mill an entire gun, it isn’t going to be a gun you “want” to use and, odds are, you are going to need a lot more technical skills. And for stuff like “ghost guns” and the bootleg mods used in stuff like The Troubles? A 3d printer is MUCH more accessible and MUCH easier to make.
The reality is that neither is going to be effective in the case of a militia/uprising scenario (yes, you can print an AR-15 and it isn’t THAT hard to reinforce the plastic to handle intermediate rounds. No, you can’t print a hellfire missile or a predator drone or a tank). And for the purposes of a school shooting? Why print a gun when you can just grab daddy’s glock out of his nightstand or junk drawer?
I’ll also add on the reason why additive manufacturing is so loved by Industry. Milling is subtractive. You get a piece of stock and you cut it until it is the part you want. If you can guarantee said piece of stock is approximately the same dimensions every time, you can automate that. But getting a piece to those dimensions has a significant cost. 3d printing? As long as you clear out the build plate and sort of control the environment, it is the same operations every single time.
So to 3d print a glock? You go to one of the naughty sites, get the STL, make a few tweaks to your slicer, and start it (old Vice actually did a really good video on this). After that you wait until it is done, remove the supports, file the ever loving hell out of it, and you are ready to go blasting.
To mill a glock? You go to one of the naught sites and get the gcode. You then adjust that gcode to fit the dimensions of your piece of stock (or put in the time to make your piece of stock the dimensions the gcode is expecting…). You then do one process, stop it, move and remount the part precisely to expose the correct surfaces, and do the next process. And so forth.
“Not really”
Yes, really. If you print something out of plastic and have to go out and buy a barrel and other hardware to put in it, you might as well just mold it out of paper mache.
A CNC can make a gun from start to finish that you wouldn’t be worried about blowing your fingers off when you pulled the trigger, without adding outside hardware to.
You clearly didn’t read anything I said after that first line but this is just too fun:
A CNC can make a gun from start to finish that you wouldn’t be worried about blowing your fingers off when you pulled the trigger, without adding outside hardware to.
Mostly tells me you have no idea what is inside of a firearm outside of “magic”.
Over simplifying, but modern firearms generally consist of
- A frame: This is usually a mix of plastic and metal for comfort, weight, and heat dissipation reasons. But there is nothing saying you can’t have an all metal frame. Some parts will receive load, some parts are purely cosmetic/ergonomic. This is demonstrably not a problem for either 3d printer or mill.
- Lots of pins and levers: These are the mechanisms that actually make the gun go bang when you pull the trigger. And, depending on how spicy you want to get, continue to go bang while you hold down the trigger. Again, some parts are stressed, some aren’t. There are ways to do all plastic that should last at least a few hundred rounds. The issue is more one of tolerances. Getting a 3d printer to be able to print with that level of precision is more work than people want to put in. Similarly, getting a mill capable of that level of precision is also a mother (Adam Savage of Will Smith’s Tested fame has a lot of videos where he is basically tackling this challenge for different projects). But also? These are the parts that “wear out” and are completely uncontrolled and can be bought online trivially. So why manufacture this yourself in the first place?
- Springs. Good fricking luck milling your own springs with the required properties. Also good fricking luck printing your own springs. That said, I actually watched a REALLY cool video where someone proof of concept made a gun out of 3d printable leaf springs and while the guy doing it was a complete and utter dipshit, it was a work of engineering beauty that you couldn’t pay me enough to hold in my hand… But, again, these are trivially easy to buy online so why bother?
- The last major part in this oversimplified breakdown is the barrel (and how you seal it but I am just going to include that here). These are the parts that experience the most forces and heat when the gun is fired since that is the part where the bang happens. Everything else you can probably get away with some cheap mild steel. That? You need some good stuff otherwise you are going to learn just how weak that cheap stock was. You CAN mill chrome moly and the like but that is a much bigger challenge than cutting through cheap steel like it is butter and amplifies all of the above tolerance issues. I will outright say that you can’t print this in plastic even though I have seen in person demonstrations of proof of concepts of that.
And the cheap steel problem? Go look up pictures of the “custom” guns used in conflicts like The Troubles. A lot have cracked or split barrels and the like because of that exact issue.
Which, like I said in the comment you refused to read, is why you just buy the hard parts online or in cash at your local gun store (… might need to go to a specialty shop instead of a Walmart). Because they are not controlled since they generally need to get replaced eventually anyway.
At which point? Mills and Printers both work great. It is just that the former needs a lot more machinist skill to be done. Whereas the latter is just downloading an STL.
Just because this topic really intrigues the engineer in me:
Even if you are REALLY anti-gun (moreso in the sense of absolutely zero meaningful gun control laws that don’t predominantly target minorities and lower income folk) but can still appreciate an engineering problem:
Vice, back before it was a shithole content farm that talks about how right wing chuds are sticking it to the man, had a REALLY good video where a reporter went to a gathering of 3d printed firearms enthusiasts and even printed their own gun with the help of one of them. There are a lot of uncomfortable parts that kind of felt like fallon tussling the dipshit’s hair back in the day, but it is also one of the very few (easily reached on youtube) videos that show what 3d printing a gun actually is.
inRange TV has a video that doesn’t get too into the making of a 3d printed gun but does show some of the recent advances (and I believe one of the models shown is quite similar to a certain mario brother’s favorite toy…) which is useful from the perspective of how 3d printed parts are coupled to off the shelf parts and so forth.
And while the owner of the channel is a real dipshit and it is explicitly NOT about 3d printed guns (because that would hurt his monetization), Forgotten Weapons did a sponsored video where he turned a common handgun into basically a PDW using a kit. And, in the process of doing that, it really highlights what part of a firearm is the legal and controlled part and what parts can be easily replaced… or purchased in a discount bin. And Forgotten Weapons, in general, is really good at actually disassembling/field stripping firearms to show the inner workings and the engineering. And it is a fun thought process to think through what processes were used to make those parts and what processes could be used to make those parts instead.
I do some amateur gunsmithing. The insides of a bog standard, single-shot 12-gauge blow my mind. As to how the internals work on my S&W Ez? No clue and I wouldn’t dare try a full tear down.
Do you know how many hours I’ve spent hunting springs in my carpet?!
You’ve got it exactly right. If you can print the receiver, you can get every tiny part off eBay.
Pipe guns exist, you can build a device that fires a 12-gauge shell in a decent garage workshop. The fancy bits, like a break action that closes properly or a spring to eject spent shells/cartridges, are where the fiddly springs and such come into play. (Of course you know this, but for the sake of conversation.)
Those homemade submachine guns are properly crazy though.
You could assemble a working pipe shotgun out of hardware store parts without even leaving the hardware store if you were clever enough.
It’s not like you’re smelting steel at home. Running a CNC machine requires a smidge more infrastructure than a 3D printer.
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Sure if you want a safe, durable, powerful firearm. Problem is, a new 3 axis machining center will cost over $50,000US, requires 3phase power, a large air compressor, specialized knowledge, tools, and skills far beyond a Bambu A1 combo. And running expenses are more than you make in a day. Plus they weight 10,000lbs/4500kg.
It’s not bloody likely you are going to get one into your 3rd floor apartment. Let alone find and outlet to plug into.
At least they’re not defining it as a COMPUTER DRIVEN MACHINE THAT HAS LENGTH, WIDTH, AND DEPTH.
This is braindead, are they gonna require background checks for the hardware store next?
Don’t forget sporting goods and kitchen supplies. Heck, you can get a bunch of decent knives in IKEA, better put furniture outlets on a watchlist.
Or worse, buying guns everywhere?
You literally need ID to purchase silverware in the UK. Yes, they will absolutely do this.
Are they going to require background checks for purchasing metal working equipment? Or maybe just make it illegal to bring any metal to melting point without a license.
Because you can make guns with metal.
It just buy a gun third party or at a gun show in a state without background check requirements.
This isn’t rocket science.
Background checks are a Federal requirement and any transfer requires it go through an FFL for just that reason There is no Gun Show Loophole
The loophole is largely in the matter of enforcement. It is comically easy to evade these regulation or outright ignore them.
Ah yes, but then they’ll just make it illegal to buy and own 2nd hand stuff.
Book publishers tried that years ago They lost and the First Sale Doctrine was born
Very easy to hit your police quotas in a city where everyone is constantly committing crimes through basic commerce.
Any engineer worth their salt can do this without a 3d printer. Idiots.
Next up, you’re going to have to register your drill press, lathe, etc.
You can also technically make a gun with generic plumbing supplies or you could finagle one with random garbage and a drill bit.
Home Depot background checks are next.
You can fuck someone up real good with a 2X4 ( pronounced two be fore ). Yet I haven’t had to pay for a 2x4 ownership license.
You can also really fuck someone up with a big bag of shit…be it actual shit or rocks or concrete or just a bunch of shit from Good will (which could included actual shit). Where do we apply for big bags of shit at the DMB?
“Papers, Please”
and then they use that info to perform a credit check to ensure you’re not a “risk” to let into the store
May I introduce you to TM 31-210?
THIS IS AMERICA! You can’t post stuff like this outside of a classroom!
I am sorry (not), but I am speaking to you from Germany via an Austrian server. So:
Muh freduum of speek!
Did I do this correctly?
You forgot the screaming eagles and the guitar solo. Otherwise, a solid attempt.
Only if you say it louder while licking the boots of the people taking said freedoms away. Also you need to firmly believe that you are the free-est country in the world. Belief in angels is optional for now.
You can’t post stuff like this in a classroom… At least in the south
Uhhh… Hello? How are the kids supposed to live in constant fear of being shot of not reminded that guns can and do exist everywhere?
Trust me, in the south, half of them have guns
Background checks for plumbers wrenches next.
The windchimes are not what they seem.
Aww. He just died (David Lynch).
Kinda odd and you can see it in my comments, but yesterday I made a Lynch reference.
Then I talk about David Fincher, but since I always mix those two Davids up I was very consciously not typing Lynch later.
That was all before news went public so needless to say he was on my mind a lot of yesterday. Very Lynchian.
“I have no idea where this will lead us, but I have a definite feeling it will be a place both wonderful and strange“
2 pipes, 1 nail, 1 end cap, 1 12-gauge shell, done.
Yeah, a dude actually made a ton of money during a gun buyback, by making cheap pipe guns. The buyback program had a flat amount as the bare minimum, meant to entice people to turn their firearms in. It was like $200 minimum. He made dozens of $5 single-shot pipe guns, and turned them all in. And since they were technically functioning firearms, the program was forced to pay out.
LOL, and I got downvoted for saying the gun buybacks are stupid. People turn in crappy/broken guns for money to buy a better gun. Hell, I have 3 or 4 I’d ditch. Maybe more if you offered me $200 each.
